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    1970s-80s filmmaker Peter Bogdanovich dies at 82 -- but a 1980 murder basically ruined him

    Peter Bogdanovich died today at age 82.

    He is best known in the film world for 1971's "The Last Picture Show", which he made shortly after turning 30.

    However, a 1980 murder of a young actress basically ruined him and derailed his career. He was in the process of making the 1981 movie "They All Laughed", which starred young, beautiful actress Dorothy Stratten.

    At age 17, Stratten made a shady Canadian dude named Paul Snider, who was 26 and worked as both a club promoter and pimp. Snider was somewhat unstable, which probably appealed to the young, wild Stratten, who started dating him. Eventually they got married.

    Just after her 20th birthday, she started working on "They All Laughed", directed by Bogdonovich. She and Snider were already having issues by that point, but things got much worse when she fell in love with Bogdanovich, who was 40.



    Stratten and Bogdonovich began an affair, which eventually got back to Snider, who was furious. He couldn't buy a gun in the US, due to his Canadian citizenship, but he borrowed one from a friend, and waited at Bogdanovich's house to commit a double-murder suicide when they showed up.

    However, for whatever reason nobody came home that night, and Snider gave up. He drove up into the hills of Los Angeles, looked down on the lights, and almost shot himself at that point. He resisted, and thought maybe he had a chance to get back together with Stratten. He had to return the gun to the friend a short time later, who didn't realize he borrowed it to commit murder.

    Two weeks later, after various unsuccessful attempts to get a gun, Snider finally got a shotgun through a classified ad in the newspaper. He went over to visit Stratten, who willingly let him in, and both went into her bedroom. At some point after that, he shot her dead, then stripped her body down nude. He then took off his own clothes, and shot himself dead.

    When Bogdanovich was informed about this, he broke down, and ended up sedated in the hospital for some time.

    The film was completed, and given limited release. It didn't do well, so it didn't go into wide release. Bogdanovich was still devastated about losing Stratten -- and felt some guilt about their affair contributing to her death. He at least hoped that her final film would cement her legacy as a brilliant actress lost too soon. When the film flopped in limited release, he broke down again. He spent $5 million to buy the rights to the film, and then spent his remaining money distributing it widely. It flopped again, and he ended up broke.

    He had somewhat of a comeback 5 years later, when his next film "Mask" (the one about deformed Rocky Dennis) was a moderate success. The film was low budget ($7.5 million), and took in almost $50 million, so his career was semi-revived. However, he only directed 5 more films between 1986 and 2001, all of which didn't perform well. He only directed one more film -- in 2014 -- which again wasn't successful.

    It is believed that Bogdanovich would have had more of a career had the Stratten murder never occurred.

    Incidentally, "They All Laughed", which was considered a commercial and critical failure in 1981, has since developed somewhat of a cult following, and is now considered a decent movie. The movie which ruined him wasn't even bad.

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    Star 80

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    Poker's own Jennifer Tilly was one of the stars in his 2001 film "The Cat's Meow":

    https://twitter.com/JenniferTilly/status/1479151058966384645

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post
    Star 80
    Correct. I forgot to mention that.

    The Dorothy Stratten story was told on film three years later, in 1983, via the movie "Star 80".

    However, Bogdonovich's name was not used, and a generic character named "Aram Nicholas" was used in his place, which was heavily based upon Bogdonovich.

    STAR 80 was Stratten's real life vanity license plate, which she got in 1980.

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    Also, something unusual was done regarding the promotion of the wide release of "They All Laughed".

    Bogdonovich had a friendship with someone involved with TV show "WKRP in Cincinnati". Maybe it was creator Hugh Wilson -- perhaps Harry Hollywood can tell us.

    His friend, whoever it was, felt terrible for everything Bogdonovich had been through in the prior year, and really wanted to help They All Laughed succeed in wide release.

    A fairly pointless scene was added into fourth season episode "Love, Exciting and New", where Les Nessman had an adversarial interview with studio guest Colleen Camp, who starred in They All Laughed. While the exchange between the two was kind of humorous, it was very clear that the segment was a backdoor promotion for the movie, which WKRP had never done before, and which was unusual for TV shows in general.

    The episode aired in early January 1982, about six weeks after They All Laughed entered into wide release. Presumably it was hoped that the episode would coincide better with the wide release, but that wasn't controllable.

    In any case, it obviously didn't help.

    The segment in question was at the very beginning of the episode:


     
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    I saw the Last Picture Show within the last few years. 20 year old Cybill Shepherd was something to behold. Incidentally, Shepherd dumped co-star Jeff Bridges for Bogdonovich during the making of the movie.

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    The Peter Bogdanovich story regarding They All Laughed was rarely told accuately. Various versions went around throughout the years, including:

    • Peter bought the rights because he didn't want the studio profiting from Stratten's murder.
    • Peter bought the rights because there were never plans for wide distribution.
    • Peter bought the rights as a memorial to Stratten.
    • Peter bought the rights because it bombed in limited release, and that ruined any possibility for wide release.



    None of these are completely true. I was around in those days, though very much wet behind the ears. Allow me to explain what really happened.

    Principal photography of the film was completed sometime during the early summer of 1980, which means that Stratten was murdered after it was done. Her murder was on August 14, 1980.

    The film distributor was 20th Century Fox. They didn't know what to do with it. They were lukewarm on the film itself, but the murder left them wondering when to release it. They were very careful not to give off the impression that they were exploiting Stratten's tragic killing. There was also a toxicity to the film, given that the murder sprang from the result of an affair between the starlet and the director. Had Stratten simlpy been killed by a jealous ex, without Bogdanovich's involvement, the show would have gone on as normal. For example, Dominique Dunne was murdered by a jealous ex while at home practicing lines for the upcoming epic miniseries V with one of the series actors. While the miniseries gave a brief memorial in the credits for Dunne, it went on as planned, and they replaced her with actress Blair Tefkin. This was around the same time (1982) as the Stratten murder. But I digress.

    20th Century Fox sat on it for a full year, before finally deciding to dip their toes into the distribution water by doing some test screenings in Phoenix, Providence, and Minneapolis, in August 1981. These had middling results. Audiences were iffy on whether they liked the film, and 20th Century Fox decided it simply wasn't worth the potential trouble and controversy. They pulled it from distribution. That seemed to be the end of it, but screenings at the September 1981 Venice and Deauville Film Festivals resulted in audiences liking it, once again opening the possibility it would be distributed after all.

    Ultimately 20th Century Fox elected for a limited distribution in the fall of 1981, with the possibility for more if it were to become surprisingly successful. Bogdanovich was very unhappy with these plans, feeling that 20th Century Fox was shoving it to the background, and did not have any real plans to mass market it. He was convinced that the film would fail to get much attention, and Stratten would go down in history as a footnote, rather than one of the great starlets who was cut down way too early. He purchased the distribution rights, but had to agree to pay the $8.6 million financing for the film, originally provided by Time-Life. When Bogdanovich found he was over his head regarding distrbution, knowing little about that side of the industry, he lost everything. He also failed to pay back everything to Time-Life, who eventually sued him and his new production company.

    Regarding Druff's question as to whether it got the segment on WKRP because of a relationship with someone at that show, the answer is sort of.

    There was a tremendous amount of sympathy for Bogdanovich in Hollywood at the time, and many quietly wanted the film to succeed, because it was clearly very important to him, given Stratten's involvement. For example, some Frank Sinatra songs appeared in the film, which otherwise would have been impossible on the $7.5 million budget it had. Sinatra, who felt sorry for Bogdanovich, sold the rights to the use the songs for an extremely low price. He felt that if his songs could help push the movie over the top, he was happy to contribute. Note that Sinatra was especially sympathetic because he lost his own son to kidnapping for some time.

    Hugh Wilson was not close friends with Bogdanovich, but they knew each other, and I'd classify them as friendly acquaintances. This was Wilson's way of lending a helping hand. As Druff mentioned, the episode aired some weeks after wide distribution, and in fact it had been pulled from various theaters because of heavy pressure from Paramount, which wanted the spot over the December 1981 holidays for their new movie Reds. By the time that WKRP episode aired, it was difficult to find They All Laughed in much of the country, even though Les Nessman claimed it was just about to open. Once again, Les, you got it wrong!

    Wilson did a last-minute rewrite of Lissa Levin's script for the episode. The original script called for some sort of usual misbehavior on Nessman's part during his news segment, followed by a public dressing down by program director Andy Travis. At that point, Les would go on to reveal the news that Travis was allegedly having an affair with the station manager's elderly mother, who owned the station. In the rewritten version, the one you see in the video Druff posted, Les was instead dressed down by Travis for the mistreatment of They All Laughed star Colleen Camp. Note that the showbiz segment done by Nessman in the episode was never seen before or after. This was special for the episode, to squeeze in promotion for the movie.

    While this did not help very much, Bogdanovich was reportedly very grateful to Wilson for the effort, and for being willing to do a last-minute script rewrite just for him. Wilson was talented enough to create a memorable scene out of it, which is still beloved by fans to this day.



    I hope you enjoyed the full story on They All Laughed. I have a busy day in Hollywood tomorrow, and will likely only get about 3 hours sleep, so I hope Druff appreciates it. Good night.

     
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    Pretty star studded cast.

    Audrey Hepburn
    Ben Gazzara
    John Ritter

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    HUBRIS. Hubris ruined him.

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    I don’t know too much about that period. I always conflated Roman Polanski and Bogdanovich.

    I never really followed the Dorothy Stratton story but I conflated that with the Hogans Hero star Bob Crane death, sex, lies and videotape. I believe they were both same time frame.

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    Who cares what you conflated with what? You sound dopey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post
    I don’t know too much about that period. I always conflated Roman Polanski and Bogdanovich.

    I never really followed the Dorothy Stratton story but I conflated that with the Hogans Hero star Bob Crane death, sex, lies and videotape. I believe they were both same time frame.
    Bob Crane was killed in 1978, so yeah, roughly the same timeframe.

    I was too young at the time to have paid attention to either of these. I was 8 years old in 1980, so none of these movies or TV shows interested me, nor did I pay attention to the news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post
    I don’t know too much about that period. I always conflated Roman Polanski and Bogdanovich.

    I never really followed the Dorothy Stratton story but I conflated that with the Hogans Hero star Bob Crane death, sex, lies and videotape. I believe they were both same time frame.
    Bob Crane was killed in 1978, so yeah, roughly the same timeframe.

    I was too young at the time to have paid attention to either of these. I was 8 years old in 1980, so none of these movies or TV shows interested me, nor did I pay attention to the news.
    The Bob Crane story is fascinating as well. There was a 2002 movie “Auto Focus” about it as well as many TV documentaries over the years about it.

    The dude was kinky as hell and was surrounded by many rumors over the years but in the end it seemed his friend killed him over an argument, though he wasn’t convicted of it.

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    Went and checked out some of Dorothys pic.

    Damn.

    How many smoking hot starlets was Bogdonovich banging.

    Movie Star 80 wasn’t good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post

    Bob Crane was killed in 1978, so yeah, roughly the same timeframe.

    I was too young at the time to have paid attention to either of these. I was 8 years old in 1980, so none of these movies or TV shows interested me, nor did I pay attention to the news.
    The Bob Crane story is fascinating as well. There was a 2002 movie “Auto Focus” about it as well as many TV documentaries over the years about it.

    The dude was kinky as hell and was surrounded by many rumors over the years but in the end it seemed his friend killed him over an argument, though he wasn’t convicted of it.
    Crane had access to the very first camcorders. I’m sure he is credited with the very first amateur porn.

    Do you recommend the movie? I will hunt it down if you do. I was in Phoenix/Scottsdale in the ‘90’s and I think the Crane thing was back in the news then. It tripped people out on so many levels.

    How did they ever pitch a comedy about a Nazi prisoner camp to the networks in the 60’s/70’s. That might not even fly now

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by The Boz View Post

    The Bob Crane story is fascinating as well. There was a 2002 movie “Auto Focus” about it as well as many TV documentaries over the years about it.
    The dude was kinky as hell and was surrounded by many rumors over the years but in the end it seemed his friend killed him over an argument, though he wasn’t convicted of it.
    Crane had access to the very first camcorders. I’m sure he is credited with the very first amateur porn.

    Do you recommend the movie? I will hunt it down if you do. I was in Phoenix/Scottsdale in the ‘90’s and I think the Crane thing was back in the news then. It tripped people out on so many levels.

    How did they ever pitch a comedy about a Nazi prisoner camp to the networks in the 60’s/70’s. That might not even fly now
    I believe that a huge influence motivating the creation of Hogan’s Heroes was the huge commercial success of the 1963 ensemble cast WW II movie “The Great Escape”, which was based very loosely on a real-life massive escape from a Nazi Germany POW camp.

    Unlike big-budget WW II-based movies that had preceded it, “The Great Escape” had elements of comedy in it that lightened up the seriousness of the subject, such as the James Garner character who was the charming hustler who finagled critical supplies from concentration camp personal, and Steve McQueen’s character, the defiant American POW who repeatedly tried and failed to escape but was allowed by the guards to use a baseball and glove to distract himself from the boredom of his punishment stints in solitary confinement.
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