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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe View Post
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    Yet you hassle with Pizza employees all the time. But they don't count, I get it. You really just like making people miserable.
    Hassling small restaurant employees just means you're a shitty person, but the worst outcome is that you'll be ingesting spit hidden in your food, something your body is definitely used to.

    Behaving like an entitled, arrogant WebMD expert in the ER couldn't possibly be more -EV. People die and crazy shit happens all day long. An older guy yelling about a foot just doesn't play, regardless of uric acid or knowing other doctors.

    Handling things 'your way' with seasoned professionals serves as a massive detriment when it comes to wellness. Be smarter.
    For the one time, I will agree with you. Druff does not realize he has eaten a ton of lougies in his life without knowing. I did a brief stint at McDonalds at age 16. If people don't realize shitty customers don't get boogers or lougies on their food they are on another planet. I personally saw a 30 something guy on the grill put a giant booger in some old guys big mac sauce because he was berating the cashier for no reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe View Post
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    Yet you hassle with Pizza employees all the time. But they don't count, I get it. You really just like making people miserable.
    Hassling small restaurant employees just means you're a shitty person, but the worst outcome is that you'll be ingesting spit hidden in your food, something your body is definitely used to.

    Behaving like an entitled, arrogant WebMD expert in the ER couldn't possibly be more -EV. People die and crazy shit happens all day long. An older guy yelling about a foot just doesn't play, regardless of uric acid or knowing other doctors.

    Handling things 'your way' with seasoned professionals serves as a massive detriment when it comes to wellness. Be smarter.
    So does the ER in Portland also not bother to ask you about the meds you're taking when you check in?

    What about forgetting to take an EKG of a 50-year-old coming in with swollen ankles, feet, and tingling arms?

    I'm wondering in what world that's "normal", rather than sheer incompetence?

    The uric acid thing was just one of many fails which occurred.

    The best thing you can do in a healthcare setting is to advocate for yourself. If you act like a coward and don't speak up when they're screwing the pooch, then its your own health which suffers. At a pizza joint, you can just choose to eat the $10 for the fucked up pizza and never go back. Same option doesn't exist for your health. 250,000 malpractice deaths in the US every year. It's not "entitled" to make sure they're doing things right.

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    Druff has been dealing with serious pain for a number of days now. He knows that the quality of care he was going to get at the hospital in the middle of the night on a weekend is going to be shitty. I’m sure it was one of the last places on Earth he wanted to go.

    He obviously felt he had no other choice. The quality of care clearly didn’t even meet the standard of shitty, it was abhorrent. That would steam up any of us. I don’t care how healthy, unhealthy or somewhere in between someone is, shit can happen to anyone.

    I wouldn’t hold someone to exactly what they say they are going to do regarding the hospital visit when they have been going through all this and just went to the ER in the middle of the night. I know this is all part of how things go around here, but I think it’s fair to cut the guy a break. He couldn’t walk at times this week for Christ’s sake.

    Hope you get things sorted out Druff. Sorry to hear about the extent of what you been dealing with. Hopefully you turn the corner soon.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffDime View Post
    Druff has been dealing with serious pain for a number of days now. He knows that the quality of care he was going to get at the hospital in the middle of the night on a weekend is going to be shitty. I’m sure it was one of the last places on Earth he wanted to go.

    He obviously felt he had no other choice. The quality of care clearly didn’t even meet the standard of shitty, it was abhorrent. That would steam up any of us. I don’t care how healthy, unhealthy or somewhere in between someone is, shit can happen to anyone.

    I wouldn’t hold someone to exactly what they say they are going to do regarding the hospital visit when they have been going through all this and just went to the ER in the middle of the night. I know this is all part of how things go around here, but I think it’s fair to cut the guy a break. He couldn’t walk at times this week for Christ’s sake.

    Hope you get things sorted out Druff. Sorry to hear about the extent of what you been dealing with. Hopefully you turn the corner soon.
    Funny thing is he is home, posting all night and morning and texting his doctor friend at 6am about an invoice. Definitely a serious issue and warranted a ER visit. Keep in mind this is also the same guy that drives an hour away to visit a psychologist over a youtube post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Well I've been kicked loose anyway because nothing of note was found.

    Complaint likely coming about this. I will check with some doctors I know who work in a hospital setting to see if I'm out of line here, or if my demand was reasonable. If they agree with me, I'm filing a complaint and demanding a steep discount off this bill. If I'm told I was wrong, then I'll drop it.

    No EKG was done, either. Don't know how they know my heart is ok, but I'm done with this place.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe View Post

    Hassling small restaurant employees just means you're a shitty person, but the worst outcome is that you'll be ingesting spit hidden in your food, something your body is definitely used to.

    Behaving like an entitled, arrogant WebMD expert in the ER couldn't possibly be more -EV. People die and crazy shit happens all day long. An older guy yelling about a foot just doesn't play, regardless of uric acid or knowing other doctors.

    Handling things 'your way' with seasoned professionals serves as a massive detriment when it comes to wellness. Be smarter.
    So does the ER in Portland also not bother to ask you about the meds you're taking when you check in?

    What about forgetting to take an EKG of a 50-year-old coming in with swollen ankles, feet, and tingling arms?

    I'm wondering in what world that's "normal", rather than sheer incompetence?

    The uric acid thing was just one of many fails which occurred.

    The best thing you can do in a healthcare setting is to advocate for yourself. If you act like a coward and don't speak up when they're screwing the pooch, then its your own health which suffers. At a pizza joint, you can just choose to eat the $10 for the fucked up pizza and never go back. Same option doesn't exist for your health. 250,000 malpractice deaths in the US every year. It's not "entitled" to make sure they're doing things right.
    I don't know what Portland ER's are like, I'm a healthy person.

    You said it was a battle of egos - who has the high card in that scenario? I'm sure he's losing sleep over the threat of your written complaint.

    Obviously nothing will come of that and even if others are asked they're definitely backing the comported professional over the blowhard patient.

    No one is saying don't advocate for yourself, just not to behave like yourself.

    The desired outcome here is more important than spit riddled $4 comped fries and should be treated as such.
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    Anyway, I've already decided what I'm going to do.

    First and foremost, I have to solve this health problem. I'm going to another specialist early this week to get the fluid taken out of my foot and analyzed for crystals which would indicate gout, so I can have the 100% certain diagnosis. I'll also get some meds prescribed which one can have on hand to take when a gout attack starts, so I can cut it off before it begins next time. And if it's not gout, I'll go through the tests necessary to determine what this is.

    Regarding the hospital, not much I can do regarding what the insurance pays them (nor do I really care), but I'm not paying a penny. I'm going to speak to an administrator this week and ask them to wipe the entire bill on my end, which they might do because my portion is probably only going to be like $400-$500, I'm guessing. If they refuse, I simply won't pay, and I'll tell them I'll sue them if they take me to collections. While I didn't suffer any damages, they also didn't provide a reasonable standard of care. I never even saw a doctor OR PA during the entire stay until discharge, and they made egregious mistakes as well.

    There is zero point zero chance I pay them a penny. I don't even give so much of a shit if some medical BS ends up on my credit. Tons of people have that nowadays, and most businesses which check credit tend to ignore medical debt if everything else looks clean. But I don't think it will come to this. I have a feeling they will back down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe View Post

    Hassling small restaurant employees just means you're a shitty person, but the worst outcome is that you'll be ingesting spit hidden in your food, something your body is definitely used to.

    Behaving like an entitled, arrogant WebMD expert in the ER couldn't possibly be more -EV. People die and crazy shit happens all day long. An older guy yelling about a foot just doesn't play, regardless of uric acid or knowing other doctors.

    Handling things 'your way' with seasoned professionals serves as a massive detriment when it comes to wellness. Be smarter.
    So does the ER in Portland also not bother to ask you about the meds you're taking when you check in?

    What about forgetting to take an EKG of a 50-year-old coming in with swollen ankles, feet, and tingling arms?

    I'm wondering in what world that's "normal", rather than sheer incompetence?

    The uric acid thing was just one of many fails which occurred.

    The best thing you can do in a healthcare setting is to advocate for yourself. If you act like a coward and don't speak up when they're screwing the pooch, then its your own health which suffers. At a pizza joint, you can just choose to eat the $10 for the fucked up pizza and never go back. Same option doesn't exist for your health. 250,000 malpractice deaths in the US every year. It's not "entitled" to make sure they're doing things right.
    For someone that had a heart attack, albeit mild, you definitely would have received care and a EKG if they felt you needed one. 175 - 88 is elevated, it takes both numbers out of whack to be serious and 88 is fine. Your pulse rate was probably normal. You would know if you were having a heart attack, the pressure on your chest would be unreal. You had an anxiety attack since you have a history of that, ERs deal with people like you all the time.

    The reason you were not given a battery of tests or admitted to a cardiology hospital is because they determined you are just another guy who feigns a heart attack. And guess what, they were 100% correct since you are home self absorbed about an invoice which you clearly owe but try to worm your way out of it. You have been clearly owned in this thread, best to log off and soak your ailing foot in some bath salts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe View Post

    Hassling small restaurant employees just means you're a shitty person, but the worst outcome is that you'll be ingesting spit hidden in your food, something your body is definitely used to.

    Behaving like an entitled, arrogant WebMD expert in the ER couldn't possibly be more -EV. People die and crazy shit happens all day long. An older guy yelling about a foot just doesn't play, regardless of uric acid or knowing other doctors.

    Handling things 'your way' with seasoned professionals serves as a massive detriment when it comes to wellness. Be smarter.
    So does the ER in Portland also not bother to ask you about the meds you're taking when you check in?

    What about forgetting to take an EKG of a 50-year-old coming in with swollen ankles, feet, and tingling arms?

    I'm wondering in what world that's "normal", rather than sheer incompetence?

    The uric acid thing was just one of many fails which occurred.

    The best thing you can do in a healthcare setting is to advocate for yourself. If you act like a coward and don't speak up when they're screwing the pooch, then its your own health which suffers. At a pizza joint, you can just choose to eat the $10 for the fucked up pizza and never go back. Same option doesn't exist for your health. 250,000 malpractice deaths in the US every year. It's not "entitled" to make sure they're doing things right.
    I don't know what Portland ER's are like, I'm a healthy person.

    You said it was a battle of egos - who has the high card in that scenario? I'm sure he's losing sleep over the threat of your written complaint.

    Obviously nothing will come of that and even if others are asked they're definitely backing the comported professional over the blowhard patient.

    No one is saying don't advocate for yourself, just not to behave like yourself.

    The desired outcome here is more important than spit riddled $4 comped fries and should be treated as such.
    I don't care who is "losing sleep" over my complaint. I'm just not going to sit there like a coward while the "professionals" fuck things up, when it comes to my health.

    If the hospital chooses not to discipline employees who fucked up, that's their problem. I'm going to tell them what happened, and most of this is verifiable if they care to look into it. For example, there's no excuse anyone can give why they didn't ask what medication I'm taking, nor can they deny this happened, since the records will show they didn't fill it out. They also can't produce an EKG they didn't ever take.

    My main goal at this point with the hospital is to get them to wipe my portion of the bill, because they don't deserve a penny from me for this shit care. If I improve their service at the same time, great. If not, that's on them.

    And regarding the uric acid thing, it was completely retarded, and they kept refusing to test it, despite my initial very polite attempts to ask them to do so. It's not "entitled" to raise issue because a dumb PA is on an ego trip and refuses to consider it.

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    I was always interested by the fact that most emergency room doctors are independent contractors. The whole ER operation is often bid out. They are generally not employees of the hospital.

    I understand that leaves the door wide open to billing shenanigans. That really should be the least of your ER worries in 2021 though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tgull View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post

    So does the ER in Portland also not bother to ask you about the meds you're taking when you check in?

    What about forgetting to take an EKG of a 50-year-old coming in with swollen ankles, feet, and tingling arms?

    I'm wondering in what world that's "normal", rather than sheer incompetence?

    The uric acid thing was just one of many fails which occurred.

    The best thing you can do in a healthcare setting is to advocate for yourself. If you act like a coward and don't speak up when they're screwing the pooch, then its your own health which suffers. At a pizza joint, you can just choose to eat the $10 for the fucked up pizza and never go back. Same option doesn't exist for your health. 250,000 malpractice deaths in the US every year. It's not "entitled" to make sure they're doing things right.
    For someone that had a heart attack, albeit mild, you definitely would have received care and a EKG if they felt you needed one. 175 - 88 is elevated, it takes both numbers out of whack to be serious and 88 is fine. Your pulse rate was probably normal. You would know if you were having a heart attack, the pressure on your chest would be unreal. You had an anxiety attack since you have a history of that, ERs deal with people like you all the time.

    The reason you were not given a battery of tests or admitted to a cardiology hospital is because they determined you are just another guy who feigns a heart attack. And guess what, they were 100% correct since you are home self absorbed about an invoice which you clearly owe but try to worm your way out of it. You have been clearly owned in this thread, best to log off and soak your ailing foot in some bath salts.


    There's a reason you unclog toilets instead of arteries.

    The EKG is specifically there to determine whether I need further heart-related care.

    Doing an EKG is incredibly standard when there's even the slightest chance that there might be a heart issue. Even their own discharge paperwork they gave me indicates that swollen ankles sometimes means "congestive heart failure". Do you want me to scan it and show you?

    They fucked up. Same reason they didn't ask me what meds I was on. Just incompetent people working at 2am who didn't know what the fuck they were doing, and an arrogant PA who was too big on following "no extraneous testing" guidelines and lacked the ability to critically think about what was medically necessary.

    The whole thing was a giant fail. The fact that you're still defending it means you're either a moron or just trolling. It's probably the latter, so this really will be the last response to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post
    I was always interested by the fact that most emergency room doctors are independent contractors. The whole ER operation. is often bid out. They are not employees of the hospital.

    I understand that leaves the door wide open to billing shenanigans.
    Yes and yes.

    But I'm not exactly sure what was going on here. I doubt the "doctor" listed on my paperwork was ever in the ER while I was there. He's probably on call, and maybe they text him if the PA has a question.

    Either he never had any contact and knows nothing about my visit, or they were texting him occasionally with 1-liners.

    If they did text him, I'm guessing the text was something like, "Patient asking for uric acid test because he thinks he has gout, should we do it?", and doctor probably replied, "No, tell him to see regular doctor on Monday for this test."

    So the doctor, if he was consulted, probably just thought I was asking for a uric acid test out of curoisity, and that it didn't have anything to do with my visit.

    I'm going to ask about this when I call the hospital on Monday. I'm genuinely curious about this 'doctor', where he really was, and what his role was in the whole thing.

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    Is it a constant pulsating pain?
    I was ready to cut of my feet the first time I got it. So painful its unreal.

    Sounds like classic gout. I have it. But after the inflammation was gone, after treatment, i went on long term medication and now its very rare

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post

    So does the ER in Portland also not bother to ask you about the meds you're taking when you check in?

    What about forgetting to take an EKG of a 50-year-old coming in with swollen ankles, feet, and tingling arms?

    I'm wondering in what world that's "normal", rather than sheer incompetence?

    The uric acid thing was just one of many fails which occurred.

    The best thing you can do in a healthcare setting is to advocate for yourself. If you act like a coward and don't speak up when they're screwing the pooch, then its your own health which suffers. At a pizza joint, you can just choose to eat the $10 for the fucked up pizza and never go back. Same option doesn't exist for your health. 250,000 malpractice deaths in the US every year. It's not "entitled" to make sure they're doing things right.
    I don't know what Portland ER's are like, I'm a healthy person.

    You said it was a battle of egos - who has the high card in that scenario? I'm sure he's losing sleep over the threat of your written complaint.

    Obviously nothing will come of that and even if others are asked they're definitely backing the comported professional over the blowhard patient.

    No one is saying don't advocate for yourself, just not to behave like yourself.

    The desired outcome here is more important than spit riddled $4 comped fries and should be treated as such.
    I don't care who is "losing sleep" over my complaint. I'm just not going to sit there like a coward while the "professionals" fuck things up, when it comes to my health.

    If the hospital chooses not to discipline employees who fucked up, that's their problem. I'm going to tell them what happened, and most of this is verifiable if they care to look into it. For example, there's no excuse anyone can give why they didn't ask what medication I'm taking, nor can they deny this happened, since the records will show they didn't fill it out. They also can't produce an EKG they didn't ever take.

    My main goal at this point with the hospital is to get them to wipe my portion of the bill, because they don't deserve a penny from me for this shit care. If I improve their service at the same time, great. If not, that's on them.

    And regarding the uric acid thing, it was completely retarded, and they kept refusing to test it, despite my initial very polite attempts to ask them to do so. It's not "entitled" to raise issue because a dumb PA is on an ego trip and refuses to consider it.
    Sounds like you're on top of it then.

    Hope you get to feeling better soon.
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    lol finally some entertainment around here, do they treat mental health issues in the ER?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post
    I was always interested by the fact that most emergency room doctors are independent contractors. The whole ER operation is often bid out. They are generally not employees of the hospital.

    I understand that leaves the door wide open to billing shenanigans. That really should be the least of your ER worries in 2021 though.
    At least they’re in the country. Forget about radiology. Back even 15 years ago they were already sending films to India to have some doctor there read them during off hours.

    One time I was waiting to get released and they said as soon as your film is back, so I asked what the holdup was after like two hours sitting there, and they informed me that they hadn’t heard back yet from their Indian radiologists. I wasn’t even aware they were allowed to outsource your films to another country. I’m sure I signed something giving them permission.

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    I spoke to another doctor friend.

    I was told to forget about complaining about the EKG and uric acid thing... that these are subjective and nobody is going to be impressed with a layman telling them what they shoulda coulda done.

    He told me that he saw two really egregious problems in the whole thing:

    1) Not asking for my medications I was taking, and then attempting to prescribe me meds which duplicated what I was already taking. Even worse, when I pointed this out, the nurse checked with the PA, who told the nurse to tell me to "take them anyway". He said this was a huge error on their part and "would have been a malpractice case had you done this and something adverse ocurred."

    2) Refusing to let me see the doctor/PA the entire time, including when I repeatedly asked.

    He said it's legal in California for PA's to treat people independently, and they aren't required to inform you beforehand. However, he agreed that the refusal of ANY doctor/PA to see me at all during the visit (except when I was being discharged) was non-standard and weird.


    He said that if I want them to zero the bill, focus on those two things and forget the other bullshit. So that's what I'll do.

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    I understand you had a high BP reading, but it wasn’t off the charts. The top number is pretty high, and the bottom 10 points more than you like, but those numbers are pretty standard if someone is anxious. I’ve went like 155/90 for a reading when I was anxious about why I was in pain , only to be 110/65 fifteen minutes later on a recheck. I have no history, so understand it’s different. I’m usually pretty low end.

    Was that a consistent reading where they left the cuff on?


    Do you get a yearly EKG? I get one every year. My doc just orders it despite no issues. Not that it means you can’t be having an acute problem, but you’d know you don’t have some chronic issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    I understand you had a high BP reading, but it wasn’t off the charts. The top number is pretty high, and the bottom 10 points more than you like, but those numbers are pretty standard if someone is anxious. I’ve went like 155/90 for a reading when I was anxious about why I was in pain , only to be 110/65 fifteen minutes later on a recheck. I have no history, so understand it’s different. I’m usually pretty low end.

    Was that a consistent reading where they left the cuff on?


    Do you get a yearly EKG? I get one every year. My doc just orders it despite no issues. Not that it means you can’t be having an acute problem, but you’d know you don’t have some chronic issue.
    The BP wasn't a big deal. Probably was anxiety. I wouldn't have gone to the ER for that alone. The 175/88 was on a home machine. It was 165/90 when I checked in, but fell to around 150/88 once I was in there and lying down.

    They do an EKG in my doctor's office when I get a checkup.

    That reminds me... I need to get a new doctor because he is dropping my insurance (and all individual plans) next month, due to low payments. Lol Obamacare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adamantium View Post
    lol finally some entertainment around here, do they treat mental health issues in the ER?
    As a matter of fact, yes they do. I used to do psych consults in the ER of a small hospital I worked at. That neon "EMERGENCY" sign is like a welcoming beacon for people with all sorts of issues. Sometimes if they were dissatisfied with their treatment they would get loud and obnoxious and refuse to leave. That's when I was called. Mostly though, the folks I was called to see just wanted some drugs. Of course, there were some who had genuine serious problems and they would go to the psych unit.

    As for this:
    "most businesses which check credit tend to ignore medical debt if everything else looks clean." How would YOU know? (Druff)
    If a medical debt stays on your report for a certain length of time, it WILL drop your score, and someone doing a credit check might not go any further than that.

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    I have an east coast doctor friend who says your east coast doctor friend is a nincompoop.

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