Originally Posted by
Dan Druff
Okay so here's that TT hand. Went down weird.
So I just called there. Why? Because it's the Main Event, neither of these guys are calling off with worse (I'm either racing or crushed if callled), and if they fold I only win 36.5k, which isn't going to do very much for me.
So flop comes 8c7c3s
Well, good and bad. Good in that I have a shot to win this against big cards. Bad is that this is going to be tough to play with a 140k (27bb) stack.
So I decide to just fire 15k (3bb). Neither of these guys are retarded enough to chase big cards on a board like that, against the BB firing where they could already be drawing dead.
Well, bad news. Original raiser makes it 35k. Ugh. So I start wondering does he have clubs? 99? A8/K8 suited? A set? Other guy folds.
I decide to call the additional 20k and re-evaluate on the turn. Folding is just too weak here, especially because he could have clubs and give up if he doesn't get them. I didn't want to shove it in, because I really thought I'm getting called by anything that beats me, and the only possible call I get from worse hands would be clubs, 99, and A8/K8.
Turn Qc.
Ugh. I'm done. But wait! He checks!
River Kd.
Not good at all. Now if he had K8, he got there. Plus KK gets more confident to bet, whereas before he may have been doing pot control. Or perhaps he was checking back the nuts on the turn as a trap. I only had 110k left at this point and didn't want to commit any more here.
I checked, he fired 60, and I folded.
Ugly hand the way it all went down. Since I busted, I do keep asking myself, "What if I shoved?", as that might have forced out hands like Ax suited, 88, 77, and 44, and I would have won the pot. I am pretty sure he's calling if he has JJ+ to the shove though, and he would also likely call AQcc and AKcc. So it's quite possible I would have just stuck a giant dick up my ass by shoving, and then be questioning that all the way home, rather than the reverse where I'm questioning NOT shoving.
I still think you might as well just shove pre instead of shoving a low board, because at least shoving pre you're getting a 50/50 double-up if you're facing AK/AQ, whereas postflop they're calling if ahead.