Rittenhouse trial

[Kalam]

Right wing twitter is having a field day with this, and the left wing MSM is barely covering it at all. Would seem to imply that there is a very strong argument it is self defense (which anyone who saw the videos circulating already knew), and the prosecution doesn't really have a case at all, minus whatever charges there are for transporting the rifle in the first place.

Anyways, according to right wing twitter apparently there is FBI surveillance videos and extra bystander videos the leftist MSM has been suppressing presented at the trial (by the prosecution no less) showing that all the guys he shot (not just the pedo guy) were chasing him before he fired a single bullet.

When right wing twitter is using the prosecution's own evidence to argue for self defense, and the leftist MSM is mostly napping it out, you know there is some serious problems with the case

I actually wonder if the families of the rioters Rittenhouse killed have a case against the state, for not acting adequately to maintain a safe public space. (Similar to how family members of some of the guys killed in CHOP/CHAZ are suing the state for this).

[country978]

Right wing twitter is having a field day with this, and the left wing MSM is barely covering it at all. Would seem to imply that there is a very strong argument it is self defense (which anyone who saw the videos circulating already knew), and the prosecution doesn't really have a case at all, minus whatever charges there are for transporting the rifle in the first place.

Anyways, according to right wing twitter apparently there is FBI surveillance videos and extra bystander videos the leftist MSM has been suppressing presented at the trial (by the prosecution no less) showing that all the guys he shot (not just the pedo guy) were chasing him before he fired a single bullet.

When right wing twitter is using the prosecution's own evidence to argue for self defense, and the leftist MSM is mostly napping it out, you know there is some serious problems with the case

I actually wonder if the families of the rioters Rittenhouse killed have a case against the state, for not acting adequately to maintain a safe public space. (Similar to how family members of some of the guys killed in CHOP/CHAZ are suing the state for this).

How is this even being tried? Because you're correct that anyone who has seen the video knows he fired in self defense. Its an injustice. Makes it seem like hes being charged because someone does not like his politics

[jsearles22]

The last guy he shot cracked him in the head with a skateboard. Another one kicked him while he had fallen and had a pistol on him in plain site.

Anyone who thinks this isn’t self defense is a blind retard.

[country978]

The last guy he shot cracked him in the head with a skateboard. Another one kicked him while he had fallen and had a pistol on him in plain site.

Anyone who thinks this isn’t self defense is a blind retard.

isnt the bigger issue here the justice system itself that allowed it to even go this far? Seems this is a political trial

[Dan Druff]

Yeah I never understood the OMG RITTENHOUSE DA WHITESUPREMACIST EXECUTING PEACEFUL PROTESTERS narrative the left kept putting out.

Ths was a 17-year-old kid who was being chased and attacked by very hostile and violent people at a hostile and violent protest. It seemed absurd that he just showed up with the intention to murder people, but that's the narrative which the left pushed pretty hard.

Rittenhouse largely fell out of discussion once January 6 happened, because the left now had a much bigger (and easier to vilify) bogeyman.

I think he probably walks.

[nightmarefish]

Yeah I never understood the OMG RITTENHOUSE DA WHITESUPREMACIST EXECUTING PEACEFUL PROTESTERS narrative the left kept putting out.

Ths was a 17-year-old kid who was being chased and attacked by very hostile and violent people at a hostile and violent protest. It seemed absurd that he just showed up with the intention to murder people, but that's the narrative which the left pushed pretty hard.

Rittenhouse largely fell out of discussion once January 6 happened, because the left now had a much bigger (and easier to vilify) bogeyman.

I think he probably walks.

The last guy he shot actually pulled a gun out before Rittenhouse shot him. Does anyone know if that's part of the trial?

Entire thing is absurd.

[GrenadaRoger]

Right wing twitter is having a field day with this, and the left wing MSM is barely covering it at all. Would seem to imply that there is a very strong argument it is self defense (which anyone who saw the videos circulating already knew), and the prosecution doesn't really have a case at all, minus whatever charges there are for transporting the rifle in the first place.

Anyways, according to right wing twitter apparently there is FBI surveillance videos and extra bystander videos the leftist MSM has been suppressing presented at the trial (by the prosecution no less) showing that all the guys he shot (not just the pedo guy) were chasing him before he fired a single bullet.

When right wing twitter is using the prosecution's own evidence to argue for self defense, and the leftist MSM is mostly napping it out, you know there is some serious problems with the case

I actually wonder if the families of the rioters Rittenhouse killed have a case against the state, for not acting adequately to maintain a safe public space. (Similar to how family members of some of the guys killed in CHOP/CHAZ are suing the state for this).

How is this even being tried? Because you're correct that anyone who has seen the video knows he fired in self defense. Its an injustice. Makes it seem like hes being charged because someone does not like his politics

Because as a matter of public policy law enforcement and local/state government want to discourage severely any use of firearms by citizens--read Massad Ayoob's writings on self-defense with firearms (In the Gravest Extreme or Deadly Force). Ayoob estimates you will spend $10,000 in legal fees for every bullet you shoot in self-defense even if you are 100% justified. It's all about control and monopolization of the use of force by police & government for the purpose of maintaining order for business, not about protecting or serving the public.

[country978]

How is this even being tried? Because you're correct that anyone who has seen the video knows he fired in self defense. Its an injustice. Makes it seem like hes being charged because someone does not like his politics

Because as a matter of public policy law enforcement and local/state government want to discourage severely any use of firearms by citizens--read Massad Ayoob's writings on self-defense with firearms (In the Gravest Extreme or Deadly Force). Ayoob estimates you will spend $10,000 in legal fees for every bullet you shoot in self-defense even if you are 100% justified.

what about the reasonable person standard? what reasonable person would say there is evidence of murder or any of the lesser charges associated with the killing after seeing the video? What other evidence should there need to be to show he acted in self defense? I'm sure there have been many instances where a person kills another person and sufficient evidence exists to prove the innocence of the person doing the killing and this leads to a dismissal of charges or no charges at all. He's not entirely innocent but charging him in the killing itself seems politically motivated in whats supposed to be a country free from such injustice.

[Walter Sobchak]

He could not be on trial unless he was indicted by a grand jury. That doesn’t mean he will be convicted, as an indictment is easier to get than a conviction. Clearly there was enough evidence against him to at least get the indictment.

The system doesn’t work based on what you or I think is right, it works based on the law.

[Texter]

2 dead and 1 shot, of course the kid needs to be tried for something.

Will probably get the max on the weapons charge and not guilty on the rest.

Guy brought a skateboard to a gun fight….dipshit.

[MumblesBadly]

[Dan Druff]

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[GrenadaRoger]

Because as a matter of public policy law enforcement and local/state government want to discourage severely any use of firearms by citizens--read Massad Ayoob's writings on self-defense with firearms (In the Gravest Extreme or Deadly Force). Ayoob estimates you will spend $10,000 in legal fees for every bullet you shoot in self-defense even if you are 100% justified.

what about the reasonable person standard? what reasonable person would say there is evidence of murder or any of the lesser charges associated with the killing after seeing the video? What other evidence should there need to be to show he acted in self defense? I'm sure there have been many instances where a person kills another person and sufficient evidence exists to prove the innocence of the person doing the killing and this leads to a dismissal of charges or no charges at all. He's not entirely innocent but charging him in the killing itself seems politically motivated in whats supposed to be a country free from such injustice.

your objections are well founded---this should be an easy win for the defense imo...yet, local government fears loss of control so they will try this case even though they know they have poor chance of conviction; their goal is to discourage the public from using firearms by subjecting Rittenhouse to a drawn out, expensive trial; 130 years ago in the American frontier this is a matter that goes no farther than an inquest, no trial brought--it's just that social forces in the law have tilted against firearms and citizen on citizen violence.

[Kalam]

I think you are still severely underestimating how much politics is playing a role in this.

In Chicago a couple weeks ago there was a shootout between rival gangs with multiple fatalities and noone was even charged. They didn't even charge the shooters with illegally having firearms, despite the fact Chicago has strict gun laws; never mind the fact multiple people actually died.

If the politics are different this doesn't go to trial at all IMO.

[ftpjesus]

Right wing twitter is having a field day with this, and the left wing MSM is barely covering it at all. Would seem to imply that there is a very strong argument it is self defense (which anyone who saw the videos circulating already knew), and the prosecution doesn't really have a case at all, minus whatever charges there are for transporting the rifle in the first place.

Anyways, according to right wing twitter apparently there is FBI surveillance videos and extra bystander videos the leftist MSM has been suppressing presented at the trial (by the prosecution no less) showing that all the guys he shot (not just the pedo guy) were chasing him before he fired a single bullet.

When right wing twitter is using the prosecution's own evidence to argue for self defense, and the leftist MSM is mostly napping it out, you know there is some serious problems with the case

I actually wonder if the families of the rioters Rittenhouse killed have a case against the state, for not acting adequately to maintain a safe public space. (Similar to how family members of some of the guys killed in CHOP/CHAZ are suing the state for this).

This is likely an act of defiance by the DAs office. Somebody maybe including the DA never wanted this case to get to trial maybe they knew and figured the kid never should’ve been charged themselves but he was due to political pressure. When the DAs office is making the defenses case for them it’s kinda obvious what’s going on. I will say this im not sure of all the charges against him but the only one I can see sticking is potentially illegal possession of a firearm by a minor since he wasn’t 18 when he was playing armed security and nobody was supposedly with him as the adult chaperone as federal law is clear you can possess on your own a long gun at 18 which he wasn’t. I would skeet shoot as a teen and my dad still had to be present until I was 18 even when I’d already graduated HS.