The Lab Leak Theory, because we need several Covid threads when we run out of drama.

[gimmick]

The camp study was used to get a rough number for transmissions and secondary transmissions. That was obv before Delta, but it was at least to a degree controlled sample without too much noise. It matters more than anecdotal evidence for figuring out the scale.

I could spam other studies since quite a few have come out this year. I don't see a huge point for it.

They are always more prevalent when cov2 is more prevalent in the area. The initial "carriers" nearly always gets it from an adult. It's like it's behaving like flu. Very few children live on their own with no access to adults. If they did, we wouldn't care about infecting their household.

If Druff wants to claim kids don't infect cov2, how about a single study that shows it?

[gimmick]

Here's Maricopa county, Arizona...

https://apnews.com/article/health-ar...9d52db6f4953ee

...how many do you need of these?

"Health officials in Arizona’s most populous county are sounding the alarm about a growing number of COVID-19 outbreaks in schools and a rising number of children and teens infected with the coronavirus.

Dr. Rebecca Sunenshine, medical director for the Maricopa County Department of Public Health, told the county Board of Supervisors on Monday that her department tracked almost three times the number of school outbreaks in August as it did during the virus’s peak in February."

"She said that of 188 outbreaks this month, 166 are ongoing — far more than at any other point during the pandemic, and they are rising “exponentially.” A small number of schools may have more than one outbreak.

In addition, more than one in four COVID-19 cases in the county are now among children, a rate “never seen before,” Sunenshine said. One in six of those cases are among children under 12, while 6% of all hospitalizations are of children, with 120 hospitalized for COVID-19 this month."

"The increases in Maricopa County, home to nearly 60% of Arizona’s residents, began after schools started reopening in July. That is also when the county saw the more transmissible delta variant of the coronavirus become dominant."

[gimmick]

Texas...

https://apnews.com/article/health-te...c0c7cc68ff28cc

...the trick is to look at the states with most cases and then type "state school covid outbreak" and google just keeps spewing these.

"As the new school year begins for Texas students and mask mandates are debated in various state courts, at least four school districts have already closed campuses due to COVID-19 outbreaks."

"The shutdowns are taking place as more school districts and communities continued this week to defy Gov. Greg Abbott’s ban on mask mandates and require students and residents to wear face coverings. Tuesday afternoon, Abbott’s office announced he had tested positive for COVID-19. Abbott, who is vaccinated, was experiencing no symptoms."

[gimmick]

Why aren't we seeing major COVID outbreaks in schools? Every school is just really, really, really lucky?

You're not looking for them. Your bubble doesn't inform you. Things happen in the world even when you're not actively watching them unfold. Most people learn that when they're toddlers.

Or these school districts are just really, really, really unlucky.

Did the above 3 states answer your question?

[nightmarefish]

In before Druff says you can’t trust these reports / studies from all over the country that all say the same thing.

[gimmick]

In before Druff says you can’t trust these reports / studies from all over the country that all say the same thing.

Yup.

Might as well add this from Nazis at CNN...

"Children are far less likely than adults to suffer severe disease or to die from Covid-19, although some children can develop long-term symptoms regardless of how serious the initial symptoms were."

...it's everyone on the left and all of the MSM that's blasting us with news about how very dangerous this is to kids.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/27/h...ses/index.html

[Walter Sobchak]

In before Druff says you can’t trust these reports / studies from all over the country that all say the same thing.

Yup.

Might as well add this from Nazis at CNN...

"Children are far less likely than adults to suffer severe disease or to die from Covid-19, although some children can develop long-term symptoms regardless of how serious the initial symptoms were."

...it's everyone on the left and all of the MSM that's blasting us with news about how very dangerous this is to kids.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/27/h...ses/index.html

Stop politicizing it!

[nightmarefish]

In before Druff says you can’t trust these reports / studies from all over the country that all say the same thing.

Yup.

Might as well add this from Nazis at CNN...

"Children are far less likely than adults to suffer severe disease or to die from Covid-19, although some children can develop long-term symptoms regardless of how serious the initial symptoms were."

...it's everyone on the left and all of the MSM that's blasting us with news about how very dangerous this is to kids.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/27/h...ses/index.html

Druff has already let us know that possible long term effects are only a concern when discussing vaccines. When discussing Covid impacts, only child deaths should be considered.

[Dan Druff]

Here's Maricopa county, Arizona...

https://apnews.com/article/health-ar...9d52db6f4953ee

...how many do you need of these?

"Health officials in Arizona’s most populous county are sounding the alarm about a growing number of COVID-19 outbreaks in schools and a rising number of children and teens infected with the coronavirus.

Dr. Rebecca Sunenshine, medical director for the Maricopa County Department of Public Health, told the county Board of Supervisors on Monday that her department tracked almost three times the number of school outbreaks in August as it did during the virus’s peak in February."

"She said that of 188 outbreaks this month, 166 are ongoing — far more than at any other point during the pandemic, and they are rising “exponentially.” A small number of schools may have more than one outbreak.

In addition, more than one in four COVID-19 cases in the county are now among children, a rate “never seen before,” Sunenshine said. One in six of those cases are among children under 12, while 6% of all hospitalizations are of children, with 120 hospitalized for COVID-19 this month."

"The increases in Maricopa County, home to nearly 60% of Arizona’s residents, began after schools started reopening in July. That is also when the county saw the more transmissible delta variant of the coronavirus become dominant."

Again, none of this shows children are transmitting it at a high rate.

The "rate of increase" trick, used above, is often used by people attempting to manipulate statistics and promote panic. I remember people doing this in the early '90s regarding AIDS, to avoid the stigma of it being seen as mostly a gay disease. "Heterosexual women are the fastest growing group of new HIV+ cases", I was told in 1991. And that was true. However, the new HIV cases were overhwelmingly gay men, and secondarily IV drug users, with hetero women lagging WAY behind. Somehow they'd leave that part out.

Yes, kids can catch COVID. In fact, they can probably catch COVID as easily as adults catch COVID. However....

1) Kids have excellent outcomes with COVID -- approximately the same as the flu.

2) Kids probably are transmitting COVID at a much lower rate.


Citing rates of COVID cases among children means nothing, because they easily could have caught it from adults, not each other. This is especially true as lockdowns/restrictions eased over the summer. Also, you can't compare February cases to August cases, as Delta is far more transmissible. Nice try, though.

Wake me up when we see COVID cases ripping through classrooms like the flu and common cold always seem to do. Somehow you have no curiousity as to why that just isn't happening with COVID... anywhere.

[Dan Druff]

In before Druff says you can’t trust these reports / studies from all over the country that all say the same thing.

Yup.

Might as well add this from Nazis at CNN...

"Children are far less likely than adults to suffer severe disease or to die from Covid-19, although some children can develop long-term symptoms regardless of how serious the initial symptoms were."

...it's everyone on the left and all of the MSM that's blasting us with news about how very dangerous this is to kids.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/27/h...ses/index.html

Thanks for proving my point about mainstream media coverage. That is a VERY misleading statement.

"Far less likely" is an understatement. Why not just share the actual difference in pediatric deaths versus deaths of older adults? Why not share the fact that fewer than 500 children have died of COVID, which are comparable numbers to late-2010s flu in the same number of months? "10 times less likely" could qualify as "far less likely", which is exactly what CNN is hoping you picture when they make such a statement. In reality, kids make up about 23% of the population, yet account for 0.06% of COVID deaths.

But that's not the worst part.

Notice the line of, "some children can develop long-term symptoms regardless of how serious the initial symptoms were". BULLSHIT. This has never been proven to be happening to children in large numbers. The one study repeatedly cited (out of the UK, from what I remember) was very poorly done and had tons of holes in it. Very few children are clearly suffering from long COVID. By saying "some children can develop long term symptoms", they are implying it is fairly common. If this actually were common, the left would be shouting it from the mountaintops, and schools would still be closed.

CNN is being highly dishonest by writing "some children", making it sound like it's something a lot of parents can expect to happen to their kids if they get COVID.

It's actually very hard to deduce long COVID rates in kids, since a lot of new health problems are discovered in children during normal times. This occurs because they're still developing, and a lot of hereditary problems will surface at some point during childhood. It's different than adulthood, where you generally get to know your body and its problems, and it's easier to tell when a problem pops up following a bout of COVID, which you didn't have before.

[nightmarefish]

Yup.

Might as well add this from Nazis at CNN...

"Children are far less likely than adults to suffer severe disease or to die from Covid-19, although some children can develop long-term symptoms regardless of how serious the initial symptoms were."

...it's everyone on the left and all of the MSM that's blasting us with news about how very dangerous this is to kids.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/27/h...ses/index.html

Thanks for proving my point about mainstream media coverage. That is a VERY misleading statement.

"Far less likely" is an understatement. Why not just share the actual difference in pediatric deaths versus deaths of older adults? Why not share the fact that fewer than 500 children have died of COVID, which are comparable numbers to late-2010s flu in the same number of months? "10 times less likely" could qualify as "far less likely", which is exactly what CNN is hoping you picture when they make such a statement. In reality, kids make up about 23% of the population, yet account for 0.06% of COVID deaths.

But that's not the worst part.

Notice the line of, "some children can develop long-term symptoms regardless of how serious the initial symptoms were". BULLSHIT. This has never been proven to be happening to children in large numbers. The one study repeatedly cited (out of the UK, from what I remember) was very poorly done and had tons of holes in it. Very few children are clearly suffering from long COVID. By saying "some children can develop long term symptoms", they are implying it is fairly common. If this actually were common, the left would be shouting it from the mountaintops, and schools would still be closed.

This is my point. How can you make that determination but say we don't know the long term effects of the vaccine? By your standard for the vaccine, we don't know the long term effects of either the vaccine or the virus.

[country978]

Thanks for proving my point about mainstream media coverage. That is a VERY misleading statement.

"Far less likely" is an understatement. Why not just share the actual difference in pediatric deaths versus deaths of older adults? Why not share the fact that fewer than 500 children have died of COVID, which are comparable numbers to late-2010s flu in the same number of months? "10 times less likely" could qualify as "far less likely", which is exactly what CNN is hoping you picture when they make such a statement. In reality, kids make up about 23% of the population, yet account for 0.06% of COVID deaths.

But that's not the worst part.

Notice the line of, "some children can develop long-term symptoms regardless of how serious the initial symptoms were". BULLSHIT. This has never been proven to be happening to children in large numbers. The one study repeatedly cited (out of the UK, from what I remember) was very poorly done and had tons of holes in it. Very few children are clearly suffering from long COVID. By saying "some children can develop long term symptoms", they are implying it is fairly common. If this actually were common, the left would be shouting it from the mountaintops, and schools would still be closed.

This is my point. How can you make that determination but say we don't know the long term effects of the vaccine? By your standard for the vaccine, we don't know the long term effects of either the vaccine or the virus.

Then it would seem to make the most sense to leave the choice with the parents whether or not their child takes the shot(s). Anything else is an over step and should not be acceptable to any parent even if they plan to allow the vaccine for their child.

[Dan Druff]

Thanks for proving my point about mainstream media coverage. That is a VERY misleading statement.

"Far less likely" is an understatement. Why not just share the actual difference in pediatric deaths versus deaths of older adults? Why not share the fact that fewer than 500 children have died of COVID, which are comparable numbers to late-2010s flu in the same number of months? "10 times less likely" could qualify as "far less likely", which is exactly what CNN is hoping you picture when they make such a statement. In reality, kids make up about 23% of the population, yet account for 0.06% of COVID deaths.

But that's not the worst part.

Notice the line of, "some children can develop long-term symptoms regardless of how serious the initial symptoms were". BULLSHIT. This has never been proven to be happening to children in large numbers. The one study repeatedly cited (out of the UK, from what I remember) was very poorly done and had tons of holes in it. Very few children are clearly suffering from long COVID. By saying "some children can develop long term symptoms", they are implying it is fairly common. If this actually were common, the left would be shouting it from the mountaintops, and schools would still be closed.

This is my point. How can you make that determination but say we don't know the long term effects of the vaccine? By your standard for the vaccine, we don't know the long term effects of either the vaccine or the virus.

Because it isn't accurate to write "some children can develop long term symptoms" when we've seen no proof that this is common or semi-common.

I'm not saying it's impossible that this will be the case, but there is no indication that we have a major problem on our hands with long COVID in kids.

CNN is strongly implying otherwise.

[nightmarefish]

This is my point. How can you make that determination but say we don't know the long term effects of the vaccine? By your standard for the vaccine, we don't know the long term effects of either the vaccine or the virus.

Then it would seem to make the most sense to leave the choice with the parents whether or not their child takes the shot(s). Anything else is an over step and should not be acceptable to any parent even if they plan to allow the vaccine for their child.

You a pro choice guy? #herbodyherchoice.

Brings me back to banning smoking inside and those regulating bastards making you stop at a stop light. For public health and safety sometimes things need to be required. Like the other 20 vaccines that are required for my kids to go to school.

I'll say this, my wife's hospital is getting low on covid patients at the moment. Seems California's wave is possibly coming to an end. So will be interesting to see what happens if they mandate 5 year olds to get the vaccine if we don't have much of a problem at the time.

Conversely my native Montana is currently completely infected. Talked to a buddy a couple days ago and he said pretty much everyone he knows either currently has covid or just had it including his 9 year old daughter.

[Jayjami]

kids are fine, sorry to burst your Finnish bubble gimmick but the kids are fine no matter how much propaganda you push

https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/a...ng_30/10700748

Alcohol-related violent deaths in Finland up by "staggering" 30%.
The perpetrators and victims involved are typically native-born middle-aged, unemployed Finnish men who get drunk and then use kitchen knives to sort out arguments.
When I lived in Stockholm, I lived next to a drunk Finn, and can confirm that this is their preferred method of resolving domestic disputes.

[gimmick]

Here's Maricopa county, Arizona...

https://apnews.com/article/health-ar...9d52db6f4953ee

...how many do you need of these?

"Health officials in Arizona’s most populous county are sounding the alarm about a growing number of COVID-19 outbreaks in schools and a rising number of children and teens infected with the coronavirus.

Dr. Rebecca Sunenshine, medical director for the Maricopa County Department of Public Health, told the county Board of Supervisors on Monday that her department tracked almost three times the number of school outbreaks in August as it did during the virus’s peak in February."

"She said that of 188 outbreaks this month, 166 are ongoing — far more than at any other point during the pandemic, and they are rising “exponentially.” A small number of schools may have more than one outbreak.

In addition, more than one in four COVID-19 cases in the county are now among children, a rate “never seen before,” Sunenshine said. One in six of those cases are among children under 12, while 6% of all hospitalizations are of children, with 120 hospitalized for COVID-19 this month."

"The increases in Maricopa County, home to nearly 60% of Arizona’s residents, began after schools started reopening in July. That is also when the county saw the more transmissible delta variant of the coronavirus become dominant."

Again, none of this shows children are transmitting it at a high rate.

Yea it's like it's a reply to a completely different question. I wonder if there is name for a technique you're using?

Anyways...

"Why aren't we seeing major COVID outbreaks in schools? Every school is just really, really, really lucky?"

...are you seeing them now?

[gimmick]

Yup.

Might as well add this from Nazis at CNN...

"Children are far less likely than adults to suffer severe disease or to die from Covid-19, although some children can develop long-term symptoms regardless of how serious the initial symptoms were."

...it's everyone on the left and all of the MSM that's blasting us with news about how very dangerous this is to kids.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/27/h...ses/index.html

Thanks for proving my point about mainstream media coverage. That is a VERY misleading statement.

"Far less likely" is an understatement. Why not just share the actual difference in pediatric deaths versus deaths of older adults? Why not share the fact that fewer than 500 children have died of COVID, which are comparable numbers to late-2010s flu in the same number of months? "10 times less likely" could qualify as "far less likely", which is exactly what CNN is hoping you picture when they make such a statement. In reality, kids make up about 23% of the population, yet account for 0.06% of COVID deaths.

But that's not the worst part.

Notice the line of, "some children can develop long-term symptoms regardless of how serious the initial symptoms were". BULLSHIT. This has never been proven to be happening to children in large numbers. The one study repeatedly cited (out of the UK, from what I remember) was very poorly done and had tons of holes in it. Very few children are clearly suffering from long COVID. By saying "some children can develop long term symptoms", they are implying it is fairly common. If this actually were common, the left would be shouting it from the mountaintops, and schools would still be closed.

CNN is being highly dishonest by writing "some children", making it sound like it's something a lot of parents can expect to happen to their kids if they get COVID.

It's actually very hard to deduce long COVID rates in kids, since a lot of new health problems are discovered in children during normal times. This occurs because they're still developing, and a lot of hereditary problems will surface at some point during childhood. It's different than adulthood, where you generally get to know your body and its problems, and it's easier to tell when a problem pops up following a bout of COVID, which you didn't have before.

Sure sure...

"Yes, a lot of people are saying the kids themselves are in significant danger. Pretty much the entire US left is saying that."

...i wasn't aware "far less likely" is same as saying "significant danger".

Just let me know when the goal post is in the position you're most comfortable with.

[dwai]

Thanks for proving my point about mainstream media coverage. That is a VERY misleading statement.

"Far less likely" is an understatement. Why not just share the actual difference in pediatric deaths versus deaths of older adults? Why not share the fact that fewer than 500 children have died of COVID, which are comparable numbers to late-2010s flu in the same number of months? "10 times less likely" could qualify as "far less likely", which is exactly what CNN is hoping you picture when they make such a statement. In reality, kids make up about 23% of the population, yet account for 0.06% of COVID deaths.

But that's not the worst part.

Notice the line of, "some children can develop long-term symptoms regardless of how serious the initial symptoms were". BULLSHIT. This has never been proven to be happening to children in large numbers. The one study repeatedly cited (out of the UK, from what I remember) was very poorly done and had tons of holes in it. Very few children are clearly suffering from long COVID. By saying "some children can develop long term symptoms", they are implying it is fairly common. If this actually were common, the left would be shouting it from the mountaintops, and schools would still be closed.

CNN is being highly dishonest by writing "some children", making it sound like it's something a lot of parents can expect to happen to their kids if they get COVID.

It's actually very hard to deduce long COVID rates in kids, since a lot of new health problems are discovered in children during normal times. This occurs because they're still developing, and a lot of hereditary problems will surface at some point during childhood. It's different than adulthood, where you generally get to know your body and its problems, and it's easier to tell when a problem pops up following a bout of COVID, which you didn't have before.

Sure sure...

"Yes, a lot of people are saying the kids themselves are in significant danger. Pretty much the entire US left is saying that."

...i wasn't aware "far less likely" is same as saying "significant danger".

Just let me know when the goal post is in the position you're most comfortable with.

your autism is showing gimmick give it a rest the kids are fine

go blow Fauci and the CDC more faggot