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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
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    Druff -> You can't compare Norway/Sweden in 2020 to anything in 2021. There's new strains, people are vaccinated and lots of other variables.
    Of course you can. And it's exactly because the evidence from those days is much more pure due to fewer variables (only one strain, no vaccine, etc).

    We were told in mid-2020 that masks defined responsible COVID behavior.

    Norway proved that was not true -- albeit unintentionally. Back then, there was only one strain and no vaccine, so there weren't any complicating factors. They didn't mask at all, and yet their outcomes were great, even in the big city. How was that possible?

    At the same time, we did not see noticeable better outcomes in places with mask mandates versus those that didn't have such mandates.

    If masks were/are so useful, then we would see a stark difference -- both then and now -- in COVID outcomes due to mask mandates. We don't, and never have.

    That can't be ignored, and all the lab studies and scientific "consensus" doesn't supersede cold data and mathematics.
    Yes, there's literally no other variables to control for, so we can definitely generalize the example of Norway to fit in with our talk show radio commentary and conservative message board babble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donkdowndonedied View Post
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    I don't care why Trump said the lab leak thing at first. Even if he just took a wild guess and turned out to be right, it doesn't matter.

    What does matter is that very quickly we learned about the Wuhan lab, the gain-of-function research there, and of course we already knew China's propensity to lie and cover things up.

    At the very least, the lab leak theory should have been an ongoing, serious discussion. You don't have to believe it's 100% certain in order to warrant discussion of it.

    But nope! Not allowed! Discussion was shut down on Twitter. The media relegated it to conspiracy territory. The "experts" all agreed that it was impossible, and that anyone who thought otherwise was a racist moron.

    This defied common sense, but we were all told to believe it, because the "experts" said so, and since the rest of us aren't virology experts, we need to shut our mouths and ignore the obvious. And if we don't, Twitter will ban us.

    You don't see a problem with all this?
    I see a problem with many parts of it. I'd like to see where respected media was saying it was impossible that it came from a lab. You quote "experts" saying it was impossible. Well, can you show me any links where they were that strong in their conviction using words like "impossible"? I suspect your memory of this is largely manufactured.

    The problem here is that there is a nexus of many issues. A lot of nationalism bullshit that will prevent a lot of serious discussion and the "discussion" would be largely relegated to a few data points shared by everyone.

    Twitter made a mistake, yes. It is one private company.

    You love to take one example and extrapolate it. It is unfortunate that twitter wields so much power, but they're not "the media".

    I agree that the media buried discussion of the subject early on, but I really don't think there was that much to discuss. You pretty much laid out all the data points we had at that point in your post. There is not going to be a serious dialogue arising from that. So you're right in that it was wrong that it was censored, but meh it isn't like some lifelong conspiracy to keep people in the dark. All the discussions would have been more or less meaningless at the time except to froth up Trump's supporters. That is still true.
    He's misremembering a study about how it was very unlikely/impossibly that Covid-19 was engineered from the natural sample that was closest out of all the samples we knew China/Wuhan had.

    And that's what happens when people know very little about the subject. The above is a very simple "fact" as science knows facts. Well above 99% true. Literally nothing has happened to that fact. It's still just as unlikely. There's no statement in it about leaks or how many unknown samples of viruses China has.

    The "experts" are aware of leaks. Those happen all the time in pretty much any country that does any major research work. And they have fairly good idea how shoddy recordkeeping still is for all kinds of reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gimmick View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by donkdowndonedied View Post

    I see a problem with many parts of it. I'd like to see where respected media was saying it was impossible that it came from a lab. You quote "experts" saying it was impossible. Well, can you show me any links where they were that strong in their conviction using words like "impossible"? I suspect your memory of this is largely manufactured.

    The problem here is that there is a nexus of many issues. A lot of nationalism bullshit that will prevent a lot of serious discussion and the "discussion" would be largely relegated to a few data points shared by everyone.

    Twitter made a mistake, yes. It is one private company.

    You love to take one example and extrapolate it. It is unfortunate that twitter wields so much power, but they're not "the media".

    I agree that the media buried discussion of the subject early on, but I really don't think there was that much to discuss. You pretty much laid out all the data points we had at that point in your post. There is not going to be a serious dialogue arising from that. So you're right in that it was wrong that it was censored, but meh it isn't like some lifelong conspiracy to keep people in the dark. All the discussions would have been more or less meaningless at the time except to froth up Trump's supporters. That is still true.
    He's misremembering a study about how it was very unlikely/impossibly that Covid-19 was engineered from the natural sample that was closest out of all the samples we knew China/Wuhan had.

    And that's what happens when people know very little about the subject. The above is a very simple "fact" as science knows facts. Well above 99% true. Literally nothing has happened to that fact. It's still just as unlikely. There's no statement in it about leaks or how many unknown samples of viruses China has.

    The "experts" are aware of leaks. Those happen all the time in pretty much any country that does any major research work. And they have fairly good idea how shoddy recordkeeping still is for all kinds of reasons.
    I recently listened to a highly regarded virologist on what they know of the earliest stages of the Corona virus. He said the origin was likely a visitor to the Wuhan wet market, likely asymptomatic.

    He said the chances of this virus spreading as it did was almost a fluke. Highly unlikely. More than most known viruses.

    But hey, he's just an expert in this field, not running for office so it's a coin toss, right?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by limitles View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by gimmick View Post

    He's misremembering a study about how it was very unlikely/impossibly that Covid-19 was engineered from the natural sample that was closest out of all the samples we knew China/Wuhan had.

    And that's what happens when people know very little about the subject. The above is a very simple "fact" as science knows facts. Well above 99% true. Literally nothing has happened to that fact. It's still just as unlikely. There's no statement in it about leaks or how many unknown samples of viruses China has.

    The "experts" are aware of leaks. Those happen all the time in pretty much any country that does any major research work. And they have fairly good idea how shoddy recordkeeping still is for all kinds of reasons.
    I recently listened to a highly regarded virologist on what they know of the earliest stages of the Corona virus. He said the origin was likely a visitor to the Wuhan wet market, likely asymptomatic.

    He said the chances of this virus spreading as it did was almost a fluke. Highly unlikely. More than most known viruses.

    But hey, he's just an expert in this field, not running for office so it's a coin toss, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheXFactor View Post
    You need a better mask.



    You assholes have had enough time to buy and wear n95 or 99 masks. So u do u I will breathe freely. Kindly fuck off already.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
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    Druff -> You can't compare Norway/Sweden in 2020 to anything in 2021. There's new strains, people are vaccinated and lots of other variables.
    Of course you can. And it's exactly because the evidence from those days is much more pure due to fewer variables (only one strain, no vaccine, etc).

    We were told in mid-2020 that masks defined responsible COVID behavior.

    Norway proved that was not true -- albeit unintentionally. Back then, there was only one strain and no vaccine, so there weren't any complicating factors. They didn't mask at all, and yet their outcomes were great, even in the big city. How was that possible?

    At the same time, we did not see noticeable better outcomes in places with mask mandates versus those that didn't have such mandates.

    If masks were/are so useful, then we would see a stark difference -- both then and now -- in COVID outcomes due to mask mandates. We don't, and never have.

    That can't be ignored, and all the lab studies and scientific "consensus" doesn't supersede cold data and mathematics.
    So you're saying you disagree with the assessment of the experts at the National Academy of Sciences of the United States, and 141 studies & academic papers they cite in the article when they conclude:

    Our review of the literature offers evidence in favor of widespread mask use as source control to reduce community transmission: Nonmedical masks use materials that obstruct particles of the necessary size; people are most infectious in the initial period postinfection, where it is common to have few or no symptoms (45, 46, 141); nonmedical masks have been effective in reducing transmission of respiratory viruses; and places and time periods where mask usage is required or widespread have shown substantially lower community transmission.
    Please cite your sources that dispute their claims.

    Not your opinions, or your anecdotes.

    Your scientifically rigorous sources.

    PS, regarding Norway... this is from August 2020:

    Norwegian health officials on Friday recommended people wear face masks while using public transportation in and around the capital, Oslo, amid a rise in COVID-19 cases, its first recommendation for face coverings since the pandemic began.
    ref: https://www.voanews.com/a/covid-19-p...n/6194427.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by splitthis View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TheXFactor View Post
    You need a better mask.

    You assholes have had enough time to buy and wear n95 or 99 masks. So u do u I will breathe freely. Kindly fuck off already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by limitles View Post
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    You assholes have had enough time to buy and wear n95 or 99 masks. So u do u I will breathe freely. Kindly fuck off already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by khalwat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post

    Of course you can. And it's exactly because the evidence from those days is much more pure due to fewer variables (only one strain, no vaccine, etc).

    We were told in mid-2020 that masks defined responsible COVID behavior.

    Norway proved that was not true -- albeit unintentionally. Back then, there was only one strain and no vaccine, so there weren't any complicating factors. They didn't mask at all, and yet their outcomes were great, even in the big city. How was that possible?

    At the same time, we did not see noticeable better outcomes in places with mask mandates versus those that didn't have such mandates.

    If masks were/are so useful, then we would see a stark difference -- both then and now -- in COVID outcomes due to mask mandates. We don't, and never have.

    That can't be ignored, and all the lab studies and scientific "consensus" doesn't supersede cold data and mathematics.
    So you're saying you disagree with the assessment of the experts at the National Academy of Sciences of the United States, and 141 studies & academic papers they site in the article when they conclude:

    Our review of the literature offers evidence in favor of widespread mask use as source control to reduce community transmission: Nonmedical masks use materials that obstruct particles of the necessary size; people are most infectious in the initial period postinfection, where it is common to have few or no symptoms (45, 46, 141); nonmedical masks have been effective in reducing transmission of respiratory viruses; and places and time periods where mask usage is required or widespread have shown substantially lower community transmission.
    Please cite your sources that dispute their claims.

    Not your opinions, or your anecdotes.

    Your scientifically rigorous sources.

    PS, regarding Norway... this is from August 2020:

    Norwegian health officials on Friday recommended people wear face masks while using public transportation in and around the capital, Oslo, amid a rise in COVID-19 cases, its first recommendation for face coverings since the pandemic began.
    ref: https://www.voanews.com/a/covid-19-p...n/6194427.html
    "experts"

    go fuck yourself faggot

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwai View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by khalwat View Post

    So you're saying you disagree with the assessment of the experts at the National Academy of Sciences of the United States, and 141 studies & academic papers they site in the article when they conclude:

    Our review of the literature offers evidence in favor of widespread mask use as source control to reduce community transmission: Nonmedical masks use materials that obstruct particles of the necessary size; people are most infectious in the initial period postinfection, where it is common to have few or no symptoms (45, 46, 141); nonmedical masks have been effective in reducing transmission of respiratory viruses; and places and time periods where mask usage is required or widespread have shown substantially lower community transmission.
    Please cite your sources that dispute their claims.

    Not your opinions, or your anecdotes.

    Your scientifically rigorous sources.

    PS, regarding Norway... this is from August 2020:

    Norwegian health officials on Friday recommended people wear face masks while using public transportation in and around the capital, Oslo, amid a rise in COVID-19 cases, its first recommendation for face coverings since the pandemic began.
    ref: https://www.voanews.com/a/covid-19-p...n/6194427.html
    "experts"

    go fuck yourself faggot
    Yeah who do these doctors and scientists think they are anyway?

    Pretty sure khalwat isnít a faggot though, he once took a half hour break from radio to fuck his wife and then got right back on radio. Like a fucking BOSS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by dwai View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by khalwat View Post

    So you're saying you disagree with the assessment of the experts at the National Academy of Sciences of the United States, and 141 studies & academic papers they site in the article when they conclude:



    Please cite your sources that dispute their claims.

    Not your opinions, or your anecdotes.

    Your scientifically rigorous sources.

    PS, regarding Norway... this is from August 2020:

    Norwegian health officials on Friday recommended people wear face masks while using public transportation in and around the capital, Oslo, amid a rise in COVID-19 cases, its first recommendation for face coverings since the pandemic began.
    ref: https://www.voanews.com/a/covid-19-p...n/6194427.html
    "experts"

    go fuck yourself faggot
    Yeah who do these doctors and scientists think they are anyway?

    Pretty sure khalwat isnít a faggot though, he once took a half hour break from radio to fuck his wife and then got right back on radio. Like a fucking BOSS.
    khalwat isn't a faggot but when he's spewing bullshit I'm gonna call him on it, none of this shit is real world tested with the bullshit masks people wear in real life.


    you can find any faggot "experts" to spew whatever bullshit you pay them for especially post 2019

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwai View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by khalwat View Post

    So you're saying you disagree with the assessment of the experts at the National Academy of Sciences of the United States, and 141 studies & academic papers they site in the article when they conclude:

    Our review of the literature offers evidence in favor of widespread mask use as source control to reduce community transmission: Nonmedical masks use materials that obstruct particles of the necessary size; people are most infectious in the initial period postinfection, where it is common to have few or no symptoms (45, 46, 141); nonmedical masks have been effective in reducing transmission of respiratory viruses; and places and time periods where mask usage is required or widespread have shown substantially lower community transmission.
    Please cite your sources that dispute their claims.

    Not your opinions, or your anecdotes.

    Your scientifically rigorous sources.

    PS, regarding Norway... this is from August 2020:

    Norwegian health officials on Friday recommended people wear face masks while using public transportation in and around the capital, Oslo, amid a rise in COVID-19 cases, its first recommendation for face coverings since the pandemic began.
    ref: https://www.voanews.com/a/covid-19-p...n/6194427.html
    "experts"

    go fuck yourself faggot
    Dwong again

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwai View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by dwai View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by khalwat View Post

    So you're saying you disagree with the assessment of the experts at the National Academy of Sciences of the United States, and 141 studies & academic papers they site in the article when they conclude:



    Please cite your sources that dispute their claims.

    Not your opinions, or your anecdotes.

    Your scientifically rigorous sources.

    PS, regarding Norway... this is from August 2020:



    ref: https://www.voanews.com/a/covid-19-p...n/6194427.html
    "experts"

    go fuck yourself faggot
    Yeah who do these doctors and scientists think they are anyway?

    Pretty sure khalwat isnít a faggot though, he once took a half hour break from radio to fuck his wife and then got right back on radio. Like a fucking BOSS.
    khalwat isn't a faggot but when he's spewing bullshit I'm gonna call him on it, none of this shit is real world tested with the bullshit masks people wear in real life.


    you can find any faggot "experts" to spew whatever bullshit you pay them for especially post 2019
    Thatís so true. Itís why so many people falsely believe Trump won the election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
    Pretty sure khalwat isnít a faggot though, he once took a half hour break from radio to fuck his wife and then got right back on radio. Like a fucking BOSS.
    haha, I forgot about that! Good times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwai View Post
    khalwat isn't a faggot but when he's spewing bullshit I'm gonna call him on it, none of this shit is real world tested with the bullshit masks people wear in real life.

    you can find any faggot "experts" to spew whatever bullshit you pay them for especially post 2019
    What you're stating is literally included in the primary article, and also in many of the 141 cited studies. They look at the functionality of a wide variety of coverings that people are actually using in the real world.

    Which tells me you didn't read the article, nor any of the cited studies so...

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    Quote Originally Posted by khalwat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by dwai View Post
    khalwat isn't a faggot but when he's spewing bullshit I'm gonna call him on it, none of this shit is real world tested with the bullshit masks people wear in real life.

    you can find any faggot "experts" to spew whatever bullshit you pay them for especially post 2019
    What you're stating is literally included in the primary article, and also in many of the 141 cited studies. They look at the functionality of a wide variety of coverings that people are actually using in the real world.

    Which tells me you didn't read the article, nor any of the cited studies so...
    die mad about it faggot but not before you cancel another vacation before your booster dweeb

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwai View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by khalwat View Post

    What you're stating is literally included in the primary article, and also in many of the 141 cited studies. They look at the functionality of a wide variety of coverings that people are actually using in the real world.

    Which tells me you didn't read the article, nor any of the cited studies so...
    die mad about it faggot but not before you cancel another vacation before your booster dweeb
    Booster? I damn near killed her.

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    "Model".

    You could fill a telephone book with names of all the gamblers with models the sports books have busted.

    I'm sure this model is just groovy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by dwai View Post
    die mad about it faggot but not before you cancel another vacation before your booster dweeb
    Booster? I damn near killed her.
    Reminds me of a dumb joke. My/our dog ate a stick that was not coming out naturally.
    Coming back from the vet my wife said was he in pain.

    Yeah I said, it damn near rectum

    Another stupid joke today that made a cashier laugh.
    I went out for eggs this morning being an omelette guy.
    After choosing the eggs I looked at the deli section and they had two
    cooked chicken breasts for 5 bucks. Good for lunch.

    The cashier scanned the chicken first, so I had to say chicken before the egg


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