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    CDC wasting time with studying gun violence

    You'd think the CDC would be really busy for the past 20 months, but apparently not.

    They have enough idle time to study gun violence as a supposed "public health epidemic". Because, you know, there are lots of people dying from gun-related diseases.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/27/healt...sky/index.html

    Why is the CDC getting involved here? They need to be studying diseases -- especially COVID -- and providing recommendations. There should be enough work in this area since early 2020 to where they shouldn't have idle time to start branching out with bullshit political quests which have nothing to do with disease.

    But here we are. The CDC first tries to take control of the eviction moratorium (lol), and now they're wasting time and resources on gun violence studies.

    When you think of the US gun violence problem, do you ever think of the CDC as the organization most fit to address it? You don't? Well, that's a shock.

    So what is this about?

    Director Rochelle Walensky is a liberal Democrat who is highly political, and is attempting to legislate through her organization -- even in matters where the CDC doesn't have any business. Whether you agree with her politics or concern about gun violence, this isn't her job, and she's neglecting her very important main job right now.

    And they wonder why American trust of the CDC is at an all-time low.

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    Anyway, if Rochelle Walensky is having a hard time understanding what we should do about the gun violence epidemic in the US, I can solve that for her right now.

    1) Aggressively investigate, arrest, and prosecute perpetrators of violent crime

    2) Hand them stiff sentences, and don't search for excuses to be lenient

    3) Give especially long sentences to repeat violent criminals

    4) Make it known to everyone that the above will be happening, and that you'll be living most of (or all) your life in jail if you become a career violent criminal


    There you go. That will significantly reduce violent crime, without having to take away people's guns.

    You're welcome.

    That will be $10,000,000, please.

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    She is a dirty cunt for sure. It’s all about control and attempting to take away the power of the people. They will FAIL.

     
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    Yea the annual budget for CDC and NIH is about 50 billion, but we are all very sad that Donald Trump signed a spending bill that gave them a shared 25 million to waste for this totally not a real problem. In case anyone is wondering this amounts to 1/2000 share of the budget.

    And obv all this started before Biden appointed a new head of CDC. It's all hidden in the article that Druff is spinning.

    "In 2018, then President Donald Trump signed a government spending bill that allowed the CDC to conduct gun violence research, and in 2020 and 2021 Congress agreed to millions of dollars for gun violence research for the first time in decades, allocating $25 million split between the CDC and the US National Institutes of Health."

    I know this is hard to understand, but CDC and NIH do more than one thing on any given year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gimmick View Post
    Yea the annual budget for CDC and NIH is about 50 billion, but we are all very sad that Donald Trump signed a spending bill that gave them a shared 25 million to waste for this totally not a real problem. In case anyone is wondering this amounts to 1/2000 share of the budget.

    And obv all this started before Biden appointed a new head of CDC. It's all hidden in the article that Druff is spinning.

    "In 2018, then President Donald Trump signed a government spending bill that allowed the CDC to conduct gun violence research, and in 2020 and 2021 Congress agreed to millions of dollars for gun violence research for the first time in decades, allocating $25 million split between the CDC and the US National Institutes of Health."

    I know this is hard to understand, but CDC and NIH do more than one thing on any given year.
    Where did I say anything about Biden?

    I said the CDC is wasting precious time and resources on gun violence research, and now the director is doing interviews with CNN, crowing about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by gimmick View Post
    Yea the annual budget for CDC and NIH is about 50 billion, but we are all very sad that Donald Trump signed a spending bill that gave them a shared 25 million to waste for this totally not a real problem. In case anyone is wondering this amounts to 1/2000 share of the budget.

    And obv all this started before Biden appointed a new head of CDC. It's all hidden in the article that Druff is spinning.

    "In 2018, then President Donald Trump signed a government spending bill that allowed the CDC to conduct gun violence research, and in 2020 and 2021 Congress agreed to millions of dollars for gun violence research for the first time in decades, allocating $25 million split between the CDC and the US National Institutes of Health."

    I know this is hard to understand, but CDC and NIH do more than one thing on any given year.
    Where did I say anything about Biden?

    I said the CDC is wasting precious time and resources on gun violence research, and now the director is doing interviews with CNN, crowing about it.
    You didn't and i never said you did. This is what you said...

    "Director Rochelle Walensky is a liberal Democrat who is highly political, and is attempting to legislate through her organization -- even in matters where the CDC doesn't have any business. Whether you agree with her politics or concern about gun violence, this isn't her job, and she's neglecting her very important main job right now."

    ...implying that this is happening because of Rochelle Walensky. This predates her. Do you understand how time works?

    This is her job and she's neglecting fuckall. Take 1 percent. Divide it by 20. What you have are the funds that are allocated to this. If we assume that employees follow the same ratio, then out of 30k CDC/NIH employees, grand total of 15 people are working on this. Here's a super secret secret, 30k people never worked on Covid.

    Apparently gun violence was a thing CDC was researching over 25 years ago. They didn't exactly solve it back then.

    For reference how massive that 25 million is, NRA spent more in 2020 elections. They spent more than twice as much in 2016.

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    I mean, gun violence is a problem. But it isn't one that Democrats are the slightest bit capable of addressing honestly because reality is inconvenient to their preferred narratives.

    They will make a big show about the NRA and the need for stricter gun laws, and probably through in some social justice terms like "white supremacy". And completely ignore the reality much gun violence occurs in Democratically controlled "urban" settings with illegally owned guns.

    And even on top of Covid, the real public health epidemic that needs to be addressed that both parties refuse to acknowledge for political reasons is the obesity epidemic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gimmick View Post
    For reference how massive that 25 million is, NRA spent more in 2020 elections. They spent more than twice as much in 2016.
    I'll give you a pass because you are not American. But the NRA has very little (if anything) to do with the gun violence epidemic in the US. It is just a political boogeyman. And the second someone says NRA that is a clear sign they have no interest in addressing the issue honestly, and it isn't worth listening any further.

    And the more the Democratic Party wastes everyones time gaslighting us about the NRA, the worse and worse the problem is going to get.

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    Not sure what disease control has to do with guns. Maybe we should create another agency to deal with guns? Although that might not be a large enough scope for a single agency, so maybe we could add some other things for them to take care of like tobacco and alcohol?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalam View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by gimmick View Post
    For reference how massive that 25 million is, NRA spent more in 2020 elections. They spent more than twice as much in 2016.
    I'll give you a pass because you are not American. But the NRA has very little (if anything) to do with the gun violence epidemic in the US. It is just a political boogeyman. And the second someone says NRA that is a clear sign they have no interest in addressing the issue honestly, and it isn't worth listening any further.

    And the more the Democratic Party wastes everyones time gaslighting us about the NRA, the worse and worse the problem is going to get.
    This 100%. There are 400 million guns in this country. The NRA has about 4 million members. It is absolutely laughable that people think the NRA is the root of the issue. Out of the thousands of cold blooded murders the last decade in Chicago, how many shooters had an NRA membership? Guns are like Covid in the US, in other words fucking deal with it you whiny bitches because it ain't changing. Go fucking move to New Zealand if you don't like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Nasty View Post
    Not sure what disease control has to do with guns. Maybe we should create another agency to deal with guns? Although that might not be a large enough scope for a single agency, so maybe we could add some other things for them to take care of like tobacco and alcohol?
    I wouldn't get too hung up on what agency exactly is funding the research. Most of this money is going to be given to researchers in public health departments who apply for it via grants. The CDC is a giant umbrella organization that probably doles out a lot of money for research that you can't draw an explicit straight line to "disease control."

    The real problem is the CDC is hugely political and ideological and refuses to address reality, so they are going to waste the money giving it to likeminded researchers who want to research the NRA and white supremacy, and get absolutely nowhere.

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    Druff, they have a federal budget to do research on this and they don’t take employees away for Covid duties to work on this instead, that’s not how shit works.

    How it works is, they receive the money then they put out a job announcement to advertise the job at hand. Next, they accept these things called “resumes” from people wanting to apply for the job. Then this department called Human Resources or “HR”, throws out all the unqualified people thus only leaving qualified people in the pool. After that, the hiring manager is sent all the remaining resumes which he reviews and decides who to interview. Once interviews have completed they offer jobs to the people they want to hire.

    But you already knew all this didn’t you so why did you start such a retarded thread acting like the CDC was neglecting Covid duties to research gun violence? This is a straight Tucker Carlson spin that only mouth breathing retards would go along with. I have no clue why Trump allocated the money to them to be the lead agency on this research but it is what it is.

    If this thread was about the huge waste of money I’d be right there with you.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by nightmarefish View Post
    Druff, they have a federal budget to do research on this and they don’t take employees away for Covid duties to work on this instead, that’s not how shit works.

    How it works is, they receive the money then they put out a job announcement to advertise the job at hand. Next, they accept these things called “resumes” from people wanting to apply for the job. Then this department called Human Resources or “HR”, throws out all the unqualified people thus only leaving qualified people in the pool. After that, the hiring manager is sent all the remaining resumes which he reviews and decides who to interview. Once interviews have completed they offer jobs to the people they want to hire.

    But you already knew all this didn’t you so why did you start such a retarded thread acting like the CDC was neglecting Covid duties to research gun violence? This is a straight Tucker Carlson spin that only mouth breathing retards would go along with. I have no clue why Trump allocated the money to them to be the lead agency on this research but it is what it is.

    If this thread was about the huge waste of money I’d be right there with you.
    LOL, you are a certified male version of Liz Cheney.

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    look who comes to the defense of the CDC yet again

    gimmick(a guy who lives in Finland and can't keep his obsession with the USA under control)

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightmarefish View Post
    Druff, they have a federal budget to do research on this and they don’t take employees away for Covid duties to work on this instead, that’s not how shit works.

    How it works is, they receive the money then they put out a job announcement to advertise the job at hand. Next, they accept these things called “resumes” from people wanting to apply for the job. Then this department called Human Resources or “HR”, throws out all the unqualified people thus only leaving qualified people in the pool. After that, the hiring manager is sent all the remaining resumes which he reviews and decides who to interview. Once interviews have completed they offer jobs to the people they want to hire.

    But you already knew all this didn’t you so why did you start such a retarded thread acting like the CDC was neglecting Covid duties to research gun violence? This is a straight Tucker Carlson spin that only mouth breathing retards would go along with. I have no clue why Trump allocated the money to them to be the lead agency on this research but it is what it is.

    If this thread was about the huge waste of money I’d be right there with you.




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    Quote Originally Posted by tgull View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kalam View Post

    I'll give you a pass because you are not American. But the NRA has very little (if anything) to do with the gun violence epidemic in the US. It is just a political boogeyman. And the second someone says NRA that is a clear sign they have no interest in addressing the issue honestly, and it isn't worth listening any further.

    And the more the Democratic Party wastes everyones time gaslighting us about the NRA, the worse and worse the problem is going to get.
    This 100%. There are 400 million guns in this country. The NRA has about 4 million members. It is absolutely laughable that people think the NRA is the root of the issue. Out of the thousands of cold blooded murders the last decade in Chicago, how many shooters had an NRA membership? Guns are like Covid in the US, in other words fucking deal with it you whiny bitches because it ain't changing. Go fucking move to New Zealand if you don't like it.
    yup, ,the cat is out of the bag with guns. There is to be no gun "control." This is a violent country in case some of you haven't figured that out. Its best to just not fuck with people lest you get shot or something. Stay out of places like Chicago, Memphis and Milwaukee and hope you don't get caught up in some random attack. And yes, definitely get the violent offenders off the streets. The system knows who these folks are. Pretty sure Druff is going to be running for political office within the next 5-10 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightmarefish View Post
    Druff, they have a federal budget to do research on this and they don’t take employees away for Covid duties to work on this instead, that’s not how shit works.

    How it works is, they receive the money then they put out a job announcement to advertise the job at hand. Next, they accept these things called “resumes” from people wanting to apply for the job. Then this department called Human Resources or “HR”, throws out all the unqualified people thus only leaving qualified people in the pool. After that, the hiring manager is sent all the remaining resumes which he reviews and decides who to interview. Once interviews have completed they offer jobs to the people they want to hire.

    But you already knew all this didn’t you so why did you start such a retarded thread acting like the CDC was neglecting Covid duties to research gun violence? This is a straight Tucker Carlson spin that only mouth breathing retards would go along with. I have no clue why Trump allocated the money to them to be the lead agency on this research but it is what it is.

    If this thread was about the huge waste of money I’d be right there with you.
    This was a front page CNN article. We're not just talking about a side job of the CDC where they study gun violence. If it were just that, I'd think it was stupid and a waste of money, but it wouldn't be as big of a deal.

    Here the CDC director is wasting time concerning herself with it, and going around doing media pieces about the matter. It's obvious political activism. She should be busy enough with COVID to not have time to strut around media bragging about her department's anti-gun-violence work.

    It's an obvious case of misplaced prioirities, and an example of how political the organization has become. Remember, this is the same organization which tried to assert authority regarding eviction moratoriums, weakly justifying it as a public health issue.

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    By the way, the "gun violence epidemic" rhetoric is the new way Democrats can explain their weak stance on violent crime.

    As violent crime continues to become a bigger problem, especially in the large cities, Democrats need some kind of answer. They've been getting killed in any election which becomes a referendum on violent crime.

    The new lie is that it's NRA's and gun industry's fault that we have such a bad gun violence problem. It's not a result of bad policymaking in longtime-Democrat-run cities, it's not a result of lenient prison sentencing of violent criminals, and it's not a result of a failure to address root causes in high crime areas. Nope... blame the guns themselves!

    Do you think the CDC's "study" will end up concluding that we need to lock up repeat violent criminals for a longer time? Of course not... because it's being studied by Democrats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalam View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by gimmick View Post
    For reference how massive that 25 million is, NRA spent more in 2020 elections. They spent more than twice as much in 2016.
    I'll give you a pass because you are not American. But the NRA has very little (if anything) to do with the gun violence epidemic in the US. It is just a political boogeyman. And the second someone says NRA that is a clear sign they have no interest in addressing the issue honestly, and it isn't worth listening any further.

    And the more the Democratic Party wastes everyones time gaslighting us about the NRA, the worse and worse the problem is going to get.
    NRA spending was there mostly as a comparison on the scale of funding.

    Anyways i'll give you pass since you don't bother researching too many things before having a strong opinion about them.

    The reason why 90% of the federal funding was pulled from research into gun violence is because of NRA lobbying. That was in 1996. That was the first time the Dickey Amendment was introduced to a spending bill. After that is has been included annually. It's still there.

    In 2018 scope of that amendment was clarified in writing. Namely that organizations/researchers don't have to gamble with losing their funding because of a wide interpretation of a vague piece of text. Surely that was just an oversight in 1996.

    The very short history of CDC's involvement in this...

    "In 1992, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) converted its violence prevention division into a center that would lead federal efforts to reduce deaths and injuries resulting from violence."

    "1996 spending bill declaring that “[n]one of the funds made available in this title may be used, in whole or in part, to advocate or promote gun control.”2 Congress also stipulated that $2.6 million of the CDC’s budget, which was the amount spent on firearm injury research during the previous year, would be specifically earmarked for research on traumatic brain injuries."

    "The Dickey Amendment was eventually extended in 2011 to cover the National Institutes of Health as well as the CDC"

    "After the Sandy Hook school shooting in 2012, President Barack Obama directed the CDC not to regard the Dickey Amendment as a complete bar to funding research on gun violence."

    "President Obama urged Congress to allocate funding to the CDC for work on gun violence prevention, but Congress denied the request."

    "In March 2018, Congress passed a $1.3 trillion spending bill just in time to avoid a federal government shutdown"

    "The federal spending bill included a compromise on gun violence research."

    ...i'm sure you can deduct why gun violence seemed like something important in the early 90s. And just maybe you can figure out why there's revived interest for it now.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5993413/

    https://www.npr.org/2015/10/09/44709...lence-research

     
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    Chris Rock wasn’t wrong. We decided to ignore him after a lot of discussion. Tax the fuck outta bullets.

    We are a violent country - deal with it. The rest is noise

    And everybody’s talking about gun control. “Got to get rid of the guns.”

    Fuck that. l like guns.

    You got a gun, you don’t have to work out.

    l ain’t working out. l ain’t jogging. You got pecs, l got Tecs.

    Fuck that shit.

    You don’t need no gun control.

    You know what you need? We need some bullet control.

    Man, we need to control the bullets, that’s right.

    l think all bullets should cost 5000 dollars.

    5000 dollars for a bullet. You know why?

    ‘Cause if a bullet costs 5000 dollars, there’d be no more innocent bystanders.

    That’d be it.

    Every time somebody gets shot, people will be like,

    “Damn, he must have did something.”

    “Shit, they put 50,000 dollars worth of bullets in his ass.”

    And people would think before they killed somebody, if a bullet cost 5000 dollars.

    “Man, l would blow your fucking head off, if l could afford it.”

    “l’m gonna get me another job, l’m gonna start saving some money… and you’re a dead man.”

    “You better hope l can’t get no bullets on layaway.”

    So even if you get shot by a stray bullet, you won’t have to go to no doctor to get it taken out: whoever shot you would take their bullet back.

    “l believe you got my property?!”
    I can’t believe Google has this up still


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