Florida bans teaching Critical Race Theory in its schools

[Dan Druff]

This is the correct move. I know the blue states will never follow suit, but there's hope that other red states will also ban it.

Critical Race Theory is not merely the teaching of the history of racism in America. That's obviously something which needs to be taught. Instead, it goes one step further, and teaches children that America is still very racist, and that racism is embedded in all of its systems to put minorities (especially black people) at a disadvantage.

Even if you agree with the conclusions of Critical Race Theory, it shouldn't be taught in public schools, as it's a controversial opinion, rather than fact. Similarly, I would not support the teaching of controversial right wing opinions in the public classroom. For example, I would not approve of teaching "abortion is the murder of the unborn" in public classrooms.

Unfortunately, a lot of people on the woke left feel that teaching Critical Race Theory is "necessary", and that indeed we should be teaching kids controversial left wing opinion as fact. We should not, and this should never have made it into schools in the first place.

Note that Critical Race Theory lessons never allow students to present an alternate point of view, or to argue against it. Instead, it's taught as dogma which must not be challenged, and attempting to do so will earn you a failing grade.

[Sanlmar]

Whoever is paying for the schools should determine what is being taught.

Red states can approve whatever they like and blue likewise. You don’t like it move to a state you are more aligned with or buy your kids an education.

I like the Red state Blue state division. This is our future. It is more similar to America’s origin story too. We have come full circle.


Easy game.

[Dan Druff]

Whoever is paying for the schools should determine what is being taught.

Red states can approve whatever they like and blue likewise. You don’t like it move to a state you are more aligned with or buy your kids an education.

I like the Red state Blue state division. This is our future. It is more similar to America’s origin story too. We have come full circle.


Easy game.

I agree the states should determine it, but I'm stating here that I feel Florida made the right decision, and I wish the other 49 states would, as well. Many won't, but I wish they would.

[v12cl]

Laws don't matter anymore. Nobody follows them.

Separation of government is dead.

FL school districts will do what they do, with no fear.

Courts have no power.

Media doesn't give a fuck.

Gavin Newsom writes his own laws for his recall in CA, and the media prop him up.

Normally I'd be against a stupid, do nothing, feel good law, but proponents of CTR and their Dem apologist friends will ram it down your throat the first chance they get.

Courts, facts, be damned. We are in the post truth age. Rules go out the window.

[gut]

I just demand if they're going to teach that, whenever they take the test, minority students (well, black and brown) can only achieve a C at best.

About the only way they could practically show that garbage in action.

[dwai]

I'm eagerly awaiting Sloppy Joe and gimmick's opinion on this matter

[Walter Sobchak]

This is the correct move. I know the blue states will never follow suit, but there's hope that other red states will also ban it.

Critical Race Theory is not merely the teaching of the history of racism in America. That's obviously something which needs to be taught. Instead, it goes one step further, and teaches children that America is still very racist, and that racism is embedded in all of its systems to put minorities (especially black people) at a disadvantage.

Even if you agree with the conclusions of Critical Race Theory, it shouldn't be taught in public schools, as it's a controversial opinion, rather than fact. Similarly, I would not support the teaching of controversial right wing opinions in the public classroom. For example, I would not approve of teaching "abortion is the murder of the unborn" in public classrooms.

Unfortunately, a lot of people on the woke left feel that teaching Critical Race Theory is "necessary", and that indeed we should be teaching kids controversial left wing opinion as fact. We should not, and this should never have made it into schools in the first place.

Note that Critical Race Theory lessons never allow students to present an alternate point of view, or to argue against it. Instead, it's taught as dogma which must not be challenged, and attempting to do so will earn you a failing grade.

Banning discussion of some theories in school to narrow the range of thought is very American.

This is no different than the SJW speech codes and woke censorship you complain about. It's just that you happen to agree with this one.

[Dan Druff]

This is the correct move. I know the blue states will never follow suit, but there's hope that other red states will also ban it.

Critical Race Theory is not merely the teaching of the history of racism in America. That's obviously something which needs to be taught. Instead, it goes one step further, and teaches children that America is still very racist, and that racism is embedded in all of its systems to put minorities (especially black people) at a disadvantage.

Even if you agree with the conclusions of Critical Race Theory, it shouldn't be taught in public schools, as it's a controversial opinion, rather than fact. Similarly, I would not support the teaching of controversial right wing opinions in the public classroom. For example, I would not approve of teaching "abortion is the murder of the unborn" in public classrooms.

Unfortunately, a lot of people on the woke left feel that teaching Critical Race Theory is "necessary", and that indeed we should be teaching kids controversial left wing opinion as fact. We should not, and this should never have made it into schools in the first place.

Note that Critical Race Theory lessons never allow students to present an alternate point of view, or to argue against it. Instead, it's taught as dogma which must not be challenged, and attempting to do so will earn you a failing grade.

Banning discussion of some theories in school to narrow the range of thought is very American.

This is no different than the SJW speech codes and woke censorship you complain about. It's just that you happen to agree with this one.

This isn't "banning the discussion" of a topic. It's banning the teaching of propaganda. If you look at the Critical Race Theory lessons which have been taught in US schools, there is no room allowed for open debate, discussion, or dissent.

The LESSON is that the US is systemically racist, specficially designed to oppress minorities, and that any lesser outcomes currently experienced by miniroty groups is attributable only to the system itself. The kids are not allowed to speak out against this, or to write essays challenging it. They are to parrot back this propaganda, or they fail the unit.

Controversial opinion shouldn't be taught in schools for exactly this reason. If the teacher is on one side, he/she will force their opinion upon all of the students, with consequence being a failed grade if the students don't walk the line. I'm fine with Benjamin being taught that there was once slavery in the US, that there were laws restricting black people from engaging in certain activities all the way through the 1960s, and that it has now been universally recognized that this was wrong and unjust. These views are accepted by almost everyone in society, so they're not controversial.

Once you get into political propaganda being taught, which is NOT universally accepted as fact, then you're venturing into indoctrination territory, and this has no place in our schools. Similarly, I would be upset if controversial right wing propaganda was taught as "fact", even if I agreed with it. This simply should not be the role of schools.

I also don't understand people's complaints about the "whitewashed version of history" taught in our generation. I remember being taught about slavery and the civil rights movement, and as well as the eventual voting rights for black people and women. All of this was framed as progress. When I was in high school, we were only a little more than 20 years removed from the civil rights movement of the '60s.

It's a myth that we were taught "white people were always the good guys" back when we were in school. Maybe this was true 70 years ago, but it definitely wasn't true in the '80s when I was in high school.

[limitles]

Banning discussion of some theories in school to narrow the range of thought is very American.

This is no different than the SJW speech codes and woke censorship you complain about. It's just that you happen to agree with this one.

This isn't "banning the discussion" of a topic. It's banning the teaching of propaganda. If you look at the Critical Race Theory lessons which have been taught in US schools, there is no room allowed for open debate, discussion, or dissent.

The LESSON is that the US is systemically racist, specficially designed to oppress minorities, and that any lesser outcomes currently experienced by miniroty groups is attributable only to the system itself. The kids are not allowed to speak out against this, or to write essays challenging it. They are to parrot back this propaganda, or they fail the unit.

Controversial opinion shouldn't be taught in schools for exactly this reason. If the teacher is on one side, he/she will force their opinion upon all of the students, with consequence being a failed grade if the students don't walk the line. I'm fine with Benjamin being taught that there was once slavery in the US, that there were laws restricting black people from engaging in certain activities all the way through the 1960s, and that it has now been universally recognized that this was wrong and unjust. These views are accepted by almost everyone in society, so they're not controversial.

Once you get into political propaganda being taught, which is NOT universally accepted as fact, then you're venturing into indoctrination territory, and this has no place in our schools. Similarly, I would be upset if controversial right wing propaganda was taught as "fact", even if I agreed with it. This simply should not be the role of schools.

I also don't understand people's complaints about the "whitewashed version of history" taught in our generation. I remember being taught about slavery and the civil rights movement, and as well as the eventual voting rights for black people and women. All of this was framed as progress. When I was in high school, we were only a little more than 20 years removed from the civil rights movement of the '60s.

It's a myth that we were taught "white people were always the good guys" back when we were in school. Maybe this was true 70 years ago, but it definitely wasn't true in the '80s when I was in high school.

this was never correct. historians who agree with the winning side always have an audience

[limitles]

This isn't "banning the discussion" of a topic. It's banning the teaching of propaganda. If you look at the Critical Race Theory lessons which have been taught in US schools, there is no room allowed for open debate, discussion, or dissent.

The LESSON is that the US is systemically racist, specficially designed to oppress minorities, and that any lesser outcomes currently experienced by miniroty groups is attributable only to the system itself. The kids are not allowed to speak out against this, or to write essays challenging it. They are to parrot back this propaganda, or they fail the unit.

Controversial opinion shouldn't be taught in schools for exactly this reason. If the teacher is on one side, he/she will force their opinion upon all of the students, with consequence being a failed grade if the students don't walk the line. I'm fine with Benjamin being taught that there was once slavery in the US, that there were laws restricting black people from engaging in certain activities all the way through the 1960s, and that it has now been universally recognized that this was wrong and unjust. These views are accepted by almost everyone in society, so they're not controversial.

Once you get into political propaganda being taught, which is NOT universally accepted as fact, then you're venturing into indoctrination territory, and this has no place in our schools. Similarly, I would be upset if controversial right wing propaganda was taught as "fact", even if I agreed with it. This simply should not be the role of schools.

I also don't understand people's complaints about the "whitewashed version of history" taught in our generation. I remember being taught about slavery and the civil rights movement, and as well as the eventual voting rights for black people and women. All of this was framed as progress. When I was in high school, we were only a little more than 20 years removed from the civil rights movement of the '60s.

It's a myth that we were taught "white people were always the good guys" back when we were in school. Maybe this was true 70 years ago, but it definitely wasn't true in the '80s when I was in high school.

this was never correct. historians who agree with the winning side always have an audience

What the fuck high school(80's) did you attend where race was ever discussed?
Bullshit. Liar. Phony

[garrett]

this was never correct. historians who agree with the winning side always have an audience

What the fuck high school(80's) did you attend where race was ever discussed?
Bullshit. Liar. Phony

Unlike you Canadian Liberal (Blue) people LOL...

We Americans are actually Adaptable and opens-Source, kind of of like Ethereum actually LOL, anyway =)

[Walter Sobchak]

Banning discussion of some theories in school to narrow the range of thought is very American.

This is no different than the SJW speech codes and woke censorship you complain about. It's just that you happen to agree with this one.

This isn't "banning the discussion" of a topic. It's banning the teaching of propaganda. If you look at the Critical Race Theory lessons which have been taught in US schools, there is no room allowed for open debate, discussion, or dissent.

The LESSON is that the US is systemically racist, specficially designed to oppress minorities, and that any lesser outcomes currently experienced by miniroty groups is attributable only to the system itself. The kids are not allowed to speak out against this, or to write essays challenging it. They are to parrot back this propaganda, or they fail the unit.

Controversial opinion shouldn't be taught in schools for exactly this reason. If the teacher is on one side, he/she will force their opinion upon all of the students, with consequence being a failed grade if the students don't walk the line. I'm fine with Benjamin being taught that there was once slavery in the US, that there were laws restricting black people from engaging in certain activities all the way through the 1960s, and that it has now been universally recognized that this was wrong and unjust. These views are accepted by almost everyone in society, so they're not controversial.

Once you get into political propaganda being taught, which is NOT universally accepted as fact, then you're venturing into indoctrination territory, and this has no place in our schools. Similarly, I would be upset if controversial right wing propaganda was taught as "fact", even if I agreed with it. This simply should not be the role of schools.

I also don't understand people's complaints about the "whitewashed version of history" taught in our generation. I remember being taught about slavery and the civil rights movement, and as well as the eventual voting rights for black people and women. All of this was framed as progress. When I was in high school, we were only a little more than 20 years removed from the civil rights movement of the '60s.

It's a myth that we were taught "white people were always the good guys" back when we were in school. Maybe this was true 70 years ago, but it definitely wasn't true in the '80s when I was in high school.

If a theory is being taught as unquestionably true or false that is the problem, not the theory itself.

Controversial opinion shouldn't be taught in schools? Are you serious? School is where you learn to think critically, discuss and debate, evaluate the merits. A good teacher would give an assignment to prepare an argument for two (or more) sides of a question.

[limitles]

This isn't "banning the discussion" of a topic. It's banning the teaching of propaganda. If you look at the Critical Race Theory lessons which have been taught in US schools, there is no room allowed for open debate, discussion, or dissent.

The LESSON is that the US is systemically racist, specficially designed to oppress minorities, and that any lesser outcomes currently experienced by miniroty groups is attributable only to the system itself. The kids are not allowed to speak out against this, or to write essays challenging it. They are to parrot back this propaganda, or they fail the unit.

Controversial opinion shouldn't be taught in schools for exactly this reason. If the teacher is on one side, he/she will force their opinion upon all of the students, with consequence being a failed grade if the students don't walk the line. I'm fine with Benjamin being taught that there was once slavery in the US, that there were laws restricting black people from engaging in certain activities all the way through the 1960s, and that it has now been universally recognized that this was wrong and unjust. These views are accepted by almost everyone in society, so they're not controversial.

Once you get into political propaganda being taught, which is NOT universally accepted as fact, then you're venturing into indoctrination territory, and this has no place in our schools. Similarly, I would be upset if controversial right wing propaganda was taught as "fact", even if I agreed with it. This simply should not be the role of schools.

I also don't understand people's complaints about the "whitewashed version of history" taught in our generation. I remember being taught about slavery and the civil rights movement, and as well as the eventual voting rights for black people and women. All of this was framed as progress. When I was in high school, we were only a little more than 20 years removed from the civil rights movement of the '60s.

It's a myth that we were taught "white people were always the good guys" back when we were in school. Maybe this was true 70 years ago, but it definitely wasn't true in the '80s when I was in high school.

If a theory is being taught as unquestionably true or false that is the problem, not the theory itself.

Controversial opinion shouldn't be taught in schools? Are you serious? School is where you learn to think critically, discuss and debate, evaluate the merits. A good teacher would give an assignment to prepare an argument for two (or more) sides of a question.

[Cerveza Fria]

This isn't "banning the discussion" of a topic. It's banning the teaching of propaganda. If you look at the Critical Race Theory lessons which have been taught in US schools, there is no room allowed for open debate, discussion, or dissent.

.

If a theory is being taught as unquestionably true or false that is the problem, not the theory itself.

Controversial opinion shouldn't be taught in schools? Are you serious? School is where you learn to think critically, discuss and debate, evaluate the merits. A good teacher would give an assignment to prepare an argument for two (or more) sides of a question.

Let's take that statement and see how it applies to your opinion on guns. The Guns aren't the problem, it's the people that use them improperly. Yeah, that works for me. How 'bout you? I already know the answer, it won't because you libtards are intellectually dishonest.

[Walter Sobchak]

If a theory is being taught as unquestionably true or false that is the problem, not the theory itself.

Controversial opinion shouldn't be taught in schools? Are you serious? School is where you learn to think critically, discuss and debate, evaluate the merits. A good teacher would give an assignment to prepare an argument for two (or more) sides of a question.

Let's take that statement and see how it applies to your opinion on guns. The Guns aren't the problem, it's the people that use them improperly. Yeah, that works for me. How 'bout you? I already know the answer, it won't because you libtards are intellectually dishonest.

Right because that's totally the same thing.

[MumblesBadly]

Banning discussion of some theories in school to narrow the range of thought is very American.

This is no different than the SJW speech codes and woke censorship you complain about. It's just that you happen to agree with this one.

This isn't "banning the discussion" of a topic. It's banning the teaching of propaganda. If you look at the Critical Race Theory lessons which have been taught in US schools, there is no room allowed for open debate, discussion, or dissent.

The LESSON is that the US is systemically racist, specficially designed to oppress minorities, and that any lesser outcomes currently experienced by miniroty groups is attributable only to the system itself. The kids are not allowed to speak out against this, or to write essays challenging it. They are to parrot back this propaganda, or they fail the unit.

Controversial opinion shouldn't be taught in schools for exactly this reason. If the teacher is on one side, he/she will force their opinion upon all of the students, with consequence being a failed grade if the students don't walk the line. I'm fine with Benjamin being taught that there was once slavery in the US, that there were laws restricting black people from engaging in certain activities all the way through the 1960s, and that it has now been universally recognized that this was wrong and unjust. These views are accepted by almost everyone in society, so they're not controversial.

Once you get into political propaganda being taught, which is NOT universally accepted as fact, then you're venturing into indoctrination territory, and this has no place in our schools. Similarly, I would be upset if controversial right wing propaganda was taught as "fact", even if I agreed with it. This simply should not be the role of schools.

I also don't understand people's complaints about the "whitewashed version of history" taught in our generation. I remember being taught about slavery and the civil rights movement, and as well as the eventual voting rights for black people and women. All of this was framed as progress. When I was in high school, we were only a little more than 20 years removed from the civil rights movement of the '60s.

It's a myth that we were taught "white people were always the good guys" back when we were in school. Maybe this was true 70 years ago, but it definitely wasn't true in the '80s when I was in high school.

Druff, the fundamental problem with this whole hullabaloo being raised by conservotard talking heads and politicians is that critical race theory isn’t even taught in any K-12 schools! It’s a critical analysis theory that is discussed and debated in law schools and some other college level fields of study.



But the GOPs pushing those new laws banning it being taught, and conservotard parrots like Druff, either don’t know what critical race theory, and conflate it with teaching the history of racism in America, or are intentionally trying to rile up bigotted or ignorant white folks to conflate the two matters in order to stifle the ability for K-12 schools to accurately teach the deep and disturbing history of racism and racial discrimination in this country.



Seriously, Druff. You are making a complete ass of yourself yet again by parrot and championing a bullshit political narrative that one or more your favored conservative media outlets fed you.

[dwai]

This isn't "banning the discussion" of a topic. It's banning the teaching of propaganda. If you look at the Critical Race Theory lessons which have been taught in US schools, there is no room allowed for open debate, discussion, or dissent.

The LESSON is that the US is systemically racist, specficially designed to oppress minorities, and that any lesser outcomes currently experienced by miniroty groups is attributable only to the system itself. The kids are not allowed to speak out against this, or to write essays challenging it. They are to parrot back this propaganda, or they fail the unit.

Controversial opinion shouldn't be taught in schools for exactly this reason. If the teacher is on one side, he/she will force their opinion upon all of the students, with consequence being a failed grade if the students don't walk the line. I'm fine with Benjamin being taught that there was once slavery in the US, that there were laws restricting black people from engaging in certain activities all the way through the 1960s, and that it has now been universally recognized that this was wrong and unjust. These views are accepted by almost everyone in society, so they're not controversial.

Once you get into political propaganda being taught, which is NOT universally accepted as fact, then you're venturing into indoctrination territory, and this has no place in our schools. Similarly, I would be upset if controversial right wing propaganda was taught as "fact", even if I agreed with it. This simply should not be the role of schools.

I also don't understand people's complaints about the "whitewashed version of history" taught in our generation. I remember being taught about slavery and the civil rights movement, and as well as the eventual voting rights for black people and women. All of this was framed as progress. When I was in high school, we were only a little more than 20 years removed from the civil rights movement of the '60s.

It's a myth that we were taught "white people were always the good guys" back when we were in school. Maybe this was true 70 years ago, but it definitely wasn't true in the '80s when I was in high school.

Druff, the fundamental problem with this whole hullabaloo being raised by conservotard talking heads and politicians is that critical race theory isn’t even taught in any K-12 schools! It’s a critical analysis theory that is discussed and debated in law schools and some other college level fields of study.



But the GOPs pushing those new laws banning it being taught, and conservotard parrots like Druff, either don’t know what critical race theory, and conflate it with teaching the history of racism in America, or are intentionally trying to rile up bigotted or ignorant white folks to conflate the two matters in order to stifle the ability for K-12 schools to accurately teach the deep and disturbing history of racism and racial discrimination in this country.



Seriously, Druff. You are making a complete ass of yourself yet again by parrot and championing a bullshit political narrative that one or more your favored conservative media outlets fed you.

the irony is quite much here considering you're the biggest mindless cnn drone parroting literally every democrat talking point, maybe sonatine is worse, or it's a tie.

really close to being the worst here MumblesBadly

[Walter Sobchak]

Druff, the fundamental problem with this whole hullabaloo being raised by conservotard talking heads and politicians is that critical race theory isn’t even taught in any K-12 schools! It’s a critical analysis theory that is discussed and debated in law schools and some other college level fields of study.

Seriously, Druff. You are making a complete ass of yourself yet again by parrot and championing a bullshit political narrative that one or more your favored conservative media outlets fed you.

Reminds me of a few years ago when a few states banned Sharia law. It kept all those folks in Oklahoma who were clamoring to covert Oklahoma to Sharia law from implementing their evil plan. It was an excellent use of time and money.

:crickets

[MumblesBadly]

Druff, the fundamental problem with this whole hullabaloo being raised by conservotard talking heads and politicians is that critical race theory isn’t even taught in any K-12 schools! It’s a critical analysis theory that is discussed and debated in law schools and some other college level fields of study.

Seriously, Druff. You are making a complete ass of yourself yet again by parrot and championing a bullshit political narrative that one or more your favored conservative media outlets fed you.

Reminds me of a few years ago when a few states banned Sharia law. It kept all those folks in Oklahoma who were clamoring to covert Oklahoma to Sharia law from implementing their evil plan. It was an excellent use of time and money.

:crickets

The GOP is hardpressed to distract voters from the economic challenges most of them face because of the Republicans’ (and their conservative allies among the Democrats) decades-long rigging of the economy to favor the rich and super-rich.