“We have informed the Trump Organization that our investigation into the organization is no longer purely civil in nature. We are now actively investigating the Trump Organization in a criminal capacity, along with the Manhattan DA.”

[limitles]

What's the big deal? Before Trump was the head of the white nationalist movement in the country, he was a fraudster and a scam artist. That's not subjective, the guy settled the Trump University fraud suit, where no one could claim he was not in the wrong. He spent his career using his dough to manipulate the legal system to crush small businesses that worked with him. The list of people he screwed is long and verified. This is just another go for his lawyers. He's not going to jail, and if they actually bankrupt Trump Org (which would be surprising), he could just go on tv and make his followers give him their money. Just like every other cult leader. Trump will be fine. His fail children might be another story.

Civil cases differ from criminal cases in a few ways, one of which is a big bank account can’t save you if you’re guilty. Being president delayed the inevitable. We’ll see if he’s the true Teflon Don

[mickeycrimm]

There's no real case against Trump. Its a pure out fiction to try and get interviews to see if they can set perjury traps. FAIL!!! Like this:

Interviewer: What was the date?
Trump: I think it was the 22nd of October.
Interviewer: Wrong! It was the 21st of October. Thats one count of perjury bitch. Now, for the next question....

[NickyPipes]

What's the big deal? Before Trump was the head of the white nationalist movement in the country, he was a fraudster and a scam artist. That's not subjective, the guy settled the Trump University fraud suit, where no one could claim he was not in the wrong. He spent his career using his dough to manipulate the legal system to crush small businesses that worked with him. The list of people he screwed is long and verified. This is just another go for his lawyers. He's not going to jail, and if they actually bankrupt Trump Org (which would be surprising), he could just go on tv and make his followers give him their money. Just like every other cult leader. Trump will be fine. His fail children might be another story.

Civil cases differ from criminal cases in a few ways, one of which is a big bank account can’t save you if you’re guilty. Being president delayed the inevitable. We’ll see if he’s the true Teflon Don

Leslie is a dumb, 0.00% chance Trump goes to jail!

[limitles]

Civil cases differ from criminal cases in a few ways, one of which is a big bank account can’t save you if you’re guilty. Being president delayed the inevitable. We’ll see if he’s the true Teflon Don

Leslie is a dumb, 0.00% chance Trump goes to jail!

I did not bring the case against this man nor did I predict any outcome. Go marry an imprisoned serial killer and ask me if I care?

[splitthis]

Leadbrain liberals please return to the failsite.

[limitles]

Leadbrain liberals please return to the failsite.

half a deck debbie wakes up and smells something

try laundry

[ToasterOven]

Leadbrain liberals please return to the failsite.

I was at a failsite, but I wanted to return to bustling and vibrant web community.

[dwai]

Leadbrain liberals please return to the failsite.

it's obviously a coordinated effort from the alt left doomers to ruin Druff's site, it's sad Druff doesn't see it

[limitles]

Leadbrain liberals please return to the failsite.

I was at a failsite, but I wanted to return to bustling and vibrant web community.

look let’s get along
I don’t hate due to politics.
There is a lot to love

[TheXFactor]

There's no real case against Trump. Its a pure out fiction to try and get interviews to see if they can set perjury traps. FAIL!!! Like this:

Interviewer: What was the date?
Trump: I think it was the 22nd of October.
Interviewer: Wrong! It was the 21st of October. Thats one count of perjury bitch. Now, for the next question....

LOL. There is more evidence against Trump than there was against O.J. Simpson.

[mickeycrimm]

There's no real case against Trump. Its a pure out fiction to try and get interviews to see if they can set perjury traps. FAIL!!! Like this:

Interviewer: What was the date?
Trump: I think it was the 22nd of October.
Interviewer: Wrong! It was the 21st of October. Thats one count of perjury bitch. Now, for the next question....

LOL. There is more evidence against Trump than there was against O.J. Simpson.

Donald Trump is the most investigated president in history and they still couldn't find anything. Mueller's henchmen had carte blanche to find anything....ANYTHING....EVEN ONE SCINTILLA OF SOMETHING....ANYTHING AT ALL!!!! They wanted him badly too. Very badly. They investigated like their lives depended on it.

THEY FOUND NOTHING.

Keep living that fairy tale dream, snowflake. Its making you null and void.

[nunbeater]

There's no real case against Trump. Its a pure out fiction to try and get interviews to see if they can set perjury traps. FAIL!!! Like this:

Interviewer: What was the date?
Trump: I think it was the 22nd of October.
Interviewer: Wrong! It was the 21st of October. Thats one count of perjury bitch. Now, for the next question....

that's not how perjury works

[TheXFactor]

Maybe Biden will name a federal prison after Trump.

[rum dick]

Prosecutor in Trump criminal probe convenes grand jury to hear evidence, weigh potential charges
Shayna Jacobs, David Fahrenthold 39 mins ago


NEW YORK —Manhattan's district attorney has convened the grand jury that is expected to decide whether to indict former president Donald Trump, other executives at his company or the business itself should prosecutors present the panel with criminal charges, according to two people familiar with the development.

Donald Trump talking on a cell phone: President Donald Trump speaks to the media at the White House in November.© Andrew Caballero-Reynolds/AFP/Getty Images President Donald Trump speaks to the media at the White House in November.
The panel was convened recently and will sit three days a week for six months. It is likely to hear several matters — not just the Trump case *— during the duration of its term, which is longer than a traditional New York state grand-jury assignment, these people said. Like others, they spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation. Generally, special grand juries such as this one are convened to participate in long-term matters rather than to hear evidence of crimes charged routinely.


The move indicates that District Attorney Cyrus R. Vance Jr.’s investigation of the former president and his business has reached an advanced stage after more than two years. It suggests, too, that Vance believes he has found evidence of a crime — if not by Trump then by someone potentially close to him or by his company.

Vance’s investigation is expansive, according to people familiar the probe and public disclosures made during related litigation. His investigators are scrutinizing Trump’s business practices before he was president, including whether the value of specific properties in the Trump Organization’s real estate portfolio were manipulated in a way that defrauded banks and insurance companies, and if any tax benefits were obtained illegally through unscrupulous asset valuation.

The district attorney also is examining the compensation provided to top Trump Organization executives, people familiar with the matter have said.

A spokesman for Trump and an attorney for the Trump Organization did not respond to requests for comment. The former president has adamantly and repeatedly denied wrongdoing, deriding the investigation as politically motivated.

A spokesman for Vance (D) declined to comment.

Investigation of Trump Organization now explores possible criminal conduct

While extended-length grand juries like the one selected to hear evidence in the district attorney’s investigation can hear cases out of order and to varying levels of completion, it is likely that Trump-related testimony in the secret proceeding has already begun, said one of the people familiar with the matter.

Adam S. Miller, who served as deputy bureau chief of the Major Economic Crimes Bureau in the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office before entering private practice in 2011, said such a “special grand jury” is “certainly not an uncommon thing to do with a large, technical and complicated investigation.”

“It’s really for very complicated cases that have a lot of information for a grand jury to digest,” Miller said, noting that special grand juries can be extended beyond their initial term with a judge’s approval.

It is unclear if prosecutors working under Vance intend to go through the entirety of their grand-jury presentation at once or if the proceeding may be interrupted for the panel to review other cases in between hearing from witnesses about the Trump Organization and its business dealings.

It is also unclear when or even if the grand jury will be asked to consider returning any indictments. Prosecutors handling cases such as this one can choose to present charges for the grand jury to consider — or not. A prosecutor’s grand-jury strategy is often a closely kept secret and can be subject to change.

Rebecca Roiphe, a former assistant district attorney in Manhattan who is now a professor at New York Law School, said that such investigations are always formally overseen by grand juries. In the early stages, prosecutors may just use a grand jury’s power just to subpoena documents without offering charges for consideration.

Roiphe said the recent step of seating a long-term panel shows that Vance’s investigation has progressed to the point that prosecutors will visit the grand jury, bring them evidence and witnesses, and potentially ask them to contemplate charges. They were unlikely to take that step without believing they had evidence to show there was probable cause to believe someone committed a crime, she said.

“The prosecutors are convinced they have a case. That’s at least how I read it,” Roiphe added.

[Investigation of Trump Organization now exploring possible criminal conduct, N.Y. attorney general’s office says]
Trump is facing two state-level investigations of his business practices in New York. Both appear to have begun with the same man: Michael Cohen, Trump’s longtime lawyer and attack dog, who turned on Trump after pleading guilty to making hush-money payoffs on Trump’s behalf and lying to Congress.

Vance’s criminal investigation began in 2018, after Cohen pleaded guilty to charges stemming from the hush-money payoffs, made in the last days of the 2016 campaign to women who said they had affairs with Trump years earlier — claims the former president denies. Vance’s investigation soon expanded, as the district attorney sought to examine millions of pages of Trump’s tax records.

Separately, New York Attorney General Letitia James (D) began a civil investigation of the Trump Organization in 2019 prompted by Cohen’s testimony to Congress, where he said Trump had mislead lenders and taxing authorities with manipulated valuations of his assets. Asset values were inflated at times when the company was seeking favorable loan interest rates and were deflated to reduce tax liability, Cohen has alleged. He has been interviewed extensively by Vance’s team, which is now headed by a decorated former federal prosecutor, Mark F. Pomerantz, who is on loan from his law firm to head the Trump case.

Cyrus Vance, Jr. wearing a suit and tie: Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus R. Vance Jr. speaks at a news conference in New York.© Craig Ruttle/AP Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus R. Vance Jr. speaks at a news conference in New York.
In recent months, the two state-level investigations have appeared to converge. Both sets of investigators have sought documents related to a Trump estate in suburban New York, according to court records and people familiar with the efforts, where the then-future president obtained a $21 million tax break by agreeing to give up development rights, and a tower in Chicago where Trump’s lenders forgave $100 million in debt.

Another sign of convergence: James’s office said last week that its long-running civil probe had also spawned a criminal investigation, now being run in coordination with Vance. The state attorney general’s office did not explain what inspired the criminal inquiry, but veterans of the office said such shifts are often triggered by evidence that indicates a defendant intended to break the law.

Trump has attacked both investigations, pointing to comments by James during her 2018 election campaign in which she called him an “illegitimate president” and promised to investigate his family business.

Trump has never been criminally charged. No former U.S. president has ever been charged with a crime.

The Washington Post previously reported that Vance’s office has been trying to pressure the Trump Organization’s chief financial officer, Allen Weisselberg, into cooperating against his boss, a person familiar with the strategy confirmed. Weisselberg is said to know the ins and outs of every business transaction at the company over the course of his decades in employment there.

An attorney for Weisselberg declined to comment when reached Tuesday.

Fahrenthold reported from Washington. Jonathan O’Connell in Washington contributed to this report.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ges/ar-AAKnuWB

[mickeycrimm]

There's no real case against Trump. Its a pure out fiction to try and get interviews to see if they can set perjury traps. FAIL!!! Like this:

Interviewer: What was the date?
Trump: I think it was the 22nd of October.
Interviewer: Wrong! It was the 21st of October. Thats one count of perjury bitch. Now, for the next question....

that's not how perjury works

Tell that to dumbass lefty prosecutors.

[mickeycrimm]

Prosecutor in Trump criminal probe convenes grand jury to hear evidence, weigh potential charges
Shayna Jacobs, David Fahrenthold 39 mins ago


NEW YORK —Manhattan's district attorney has convened the grand jury that is expected to decide whether to indict former president Donald Trump, other executives at his company or the business itself should prosecutors present the panel with criminal charges, according to two people familiar with the development.

Donald Trump talking on a cell phone: President Donald Trump speaks to the media at the White House in November.© Andrew Caballero-Reynolds/AFP/Getty Images President Donald Trump speaks to the media at the White House in November.
The panel was convened recently and will sit three days a week for six months. It is likely to hear several matters — not just the Trump case *— during the duration of its term, which is longer than a traditional New York state grand-jury assignment, these people said. Like others, they spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation. Generally, special grand juries such as this one are convened to participate in long-term matters rather than to hear evidence of crimes charged routinely.


The move indicates that District Attorney Cyrus R. Vance Jr.’s investigation of the former president and his business has reached an advanced stage after more than two years. It suggests, too, that Vance believes he has found evidence of a crime — if not by Trump then by someone potentially close to him or by his company.

Vance’s investigation is expansive, according to people familiar the probe and public disclosures made during related litigation. His investigators are scrutinizing Trump’s business practices before he was president, including whether the value of specific properties in the Trump Organization’s real estate portfolio were manipulated in a way that defrauded banks and insurance companies, and if any tax benefits were obtained illegally through unscrupulous asset valuation.

The district attorney also is examining the compensation provided to top Trump Organization executives, people familiar with the matter have said.

A spokesman for Trump and an attorney for the Trump Organization did not respond to requests for comment. The former president has adamantly and repeatedly denied wrongdoing, deriding the investigation as politically motivated.

A spokesman for Vance (D) declined to comment.

Investigation of Trump Organization now explores possible criminal conduct

While extended-length grand juries like the one selected to hear evidence in the district attorney’s investigation can hear cases out of order and to varying levels of completion, it is likely that Trump-related testimony in the secret proceeding has already begun, said one of the people familiar with the matter.

Adam S. Miller, who served as deputy bureau chief of the Major Economic Crimes Bureau in the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office before entering private practice in 2011, said such a “special grand jury” is “certainly not an uncommon thing to do with a large, technical and complicated investigation.”

“It’s really for very complicated cases that have a lot of information for a grand jury to digest,” Miller said, noting that special grand juries can be extended beyond their initial term with a judge’s approval.

It is unclear if prosecutors working under Vance intend to go through the entirety of their grand-jury presentation at once or if the proceeding may be interrupted for the panel to review other cases in between hearing from witnesses about the Trump Organization and its business dealings.

It is also unclear when or even if the grand jury will be asked to consider returning any indictments. Prosecutors handling cases such as this one can choose to present charges for the grand jury to consider — or not. A prosecutor’s grand-jury strategy is often a closely kept secret and can be subject to change.

Rebecca Roiphe, a former assistant district attorney in Manhattan who is now a professor at New York Law School, said that such investigations are always formally overseen by grand juries. In the early stages, prosecutors may just use a grand jury’s power just to subpoena documents without offering charges for consideration.

Roiphe said the recent step of seating a long-term panel shows that Vance’s investigation has progressed to the point that prosecutors will visit the grand jury, bring them evidence and witnesses, and potentially ask them to contemplate charges. They were unlikely to take that step without believing they had evidence to show there was probable cause to believe someone committed a crime, she said.

“The prosecutors are convinced they have a case. That’s at least how I read it,” Roiphe added.

[Investigation of Trump Organization now exploring possible criminal conduct, N.Y. attorney general’s office says]
Trump is facing two state-level investigations of his business practices in New York. Both appear to have begun with the same man: Michael Cohen, Trump’s longtime lawyer and attack dog, who turned on Trump after pleading guilty to making hush-money payoffs on Trump’s behalf and lying to Congress.

Vance’s criminal investigation began in 2018, after Cohen pleaded guilty to charges stemming from the hush-money payoffs, made in the last days of the 2016 campaign to women who said they had affairs with Trump years earlier — claims the former president denies. Vance’s investigation soon expanded, as the district attorney sought to examine millions of pages of Trump’s tax records.

Separately, New York Attorney General Letitia James (D) began a civil investigation of the Trump Organization in 2019 prompted by Cohen’s testimony to Congress, where he said Trump had mislead lenders and taxing authorities with manipulated valuations of his assets. Asset values were inflated at times when the company was seeking favorable loan interest rates and were deflated to reduce tax liability, Cohen has alleged. He has been interviewed extensively by Vance’s team, which is now headed by a decorated former federal prosecutor, Mark F. Pomerantz, who is on loan from his law firm to head the Trump case.

Cyrus Vance, Jr. wearing a suit and tie: Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus R. Vance Jr. speaks at a news conference in New York.© Craig Ruttle/AP Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus R. Vance Jr. speaks at a news conference in New York.
In recent months, the two state-level investigations have appeared to converge. Both sets of investigators have sought documents related to a Trump estate in suburban New York, according to court records and people familiar with the efforts, where the then-future president obtained a $21 million tax break by agreeing to give up development rights, and a tower in Chicago where Trump’s lenders forgave $100 million in debt.

Another sign of convergence: James’s office said last week that its long-running civil probe had also spawned a criminal investigation, now being run in coordination with Vance. The state attorney general’s office did not explain what inspired the criminal inquiry, but veterans of the office said such shifts are often triggered by evidence that indicates a defendant intended to break the law.

Trump has attacked both investigations, pointing to comments by James during her 2018 election campaign in which she called him an “illegitimate president” and promised to investigate his family business.

Trump has never been criminally charged. No former U.S. president has ever been charged with a crime.

The Washington Post previously reported that Vance’s office has been trying to pressure the Trump Organization’s chief financial officer, Allen Weisselberg, into cooperating against his boss, a person familiar with the strategy confirmed. Weisselberg is said to know the ins and outs of every business transaction at the company over the course of his decades in employment there.

An attorney for Weisselberg declined to comment when reached Tuesday.

Fahrenthold reported from Washington. Jonathan O’Connell in Washington contributed to this report.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ges/ar-AAKnuWB

Get ready, folks. These libtard prosecutor idiots are going to indict a ham sandwich.

[limitles]

Prosecutor in Trump criminal probe convenes grand jury to hear evidence, weigh potential charges
Shayna Jacobs, David Fahrenthold 39 mins ago


NEW YORK —Manhattan's district attorney has convened the grand jury that is expected to decide whether to indict former president Donald Trump, other executives at his company or the business itself should prosecutors present the panel with criminal charges, according to two people familiar with the development.

Donald Trump talking on a cell phone: President Donald Trump speaks to the media at the White House in November.© Andrew Caballero-Reynolds/AFP/Getty Images President Donald Trump speaks to the media at the White House in November.
The panel was convened recently and will sit three days a week for six months. It is likely to hear several matters — not just the Trump case *— during the duration of its term, which is longer than a traditional New York state grand-jury assignment, these people said. Like others, they spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation. Generally, special grand juries such as this one are convened to participate in long-term matters rather than to hear evidence of crimes charged routinely.


The move indicates that District Attorney Cyrus R. Vance Jr.’s investigation of the former president and his business has reached an advanced stage after more than two years. It suggests, too, that Vance believes he has found evidence of a crime — if not by Trump then by someone potentially close to him or by his company.

Vance’s investigation is expansive, according to people familiar the probe and public disclosures made during related litigation. His investigators are scrutinizing Trump’s business practices before he was president, including whether the value of specific properties in the Trump Organization’s real estate portfolio were manipulated in a way that defrauded banks and insurance companies, and if any tax benefits were obtained illegally through unscrupulous asset valuation.

The district attorney also is examining the compensation provided to top Trump Organization executives, people familiar with the matter have said.

A spokesman for Trump and an attorney for the Trump Organization did not respond to requests for comment. The former president has adamantly and repeatedly denied wrongdoing, deriding the investigation as politically motivated.

A spokesman for Vance (D) declined to comment.

Investigation of Trump Organization now explores possible criminal conduct

While extended-length grand juries like the one selected to hear evidence in the district attorney’s investigation can hear cases out of order and to varying levels of completion, it is likely that Trump-related testimony in the secret proceeding has already begun, said one of the people familiar with the matter.

Adam S. Miller, who served as deputy bureau chief of the Major Economic Crimes Bureau in the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office before entering private practice in 2011, said such a “special grand jury” is “certainly not an uncommon thing to do with a large, technical and complicated investigation.”

“It’s really for very complicated cases that have a lot of information for a grand jury to digest,” Miller said, noting that special grand juries can be extended beyond their initial term with a judge’s approval.

It is unclear if prosecutors working under Vance intend to go through the entirety of their grand-jury presentation at once or if the proceeding may be interrupted for the panel to review other cases in between hearing from witnesses about the Trump Organization and its business dealings.

It is also unclear when or even if the grand jury will be asked to consider returning any indictments. Prosecutors handling cases such as this one can choose to present charges for the grand jury to consider — or not. A prosecutor’s grand-jury strategy is often a closely kept secret and can be subject to change.

Rebecca Roiphe, a former assistant district attorney in Manhattan who is now a professor at New York Law School, said that such investigations are always formally overseen by grand juries. In the early stages, prosecutors may just use a grand jury’s power just to subpoena documents without offering charges for consideration.

Roiphe said the recent step of seating a long-term panel shows that Vance’s investigation has progressed to the point that prosecutors will visit the grand jury, bring them evidence and witnesses, and potentially ask them to contemplate charges. They were unlikely to take that step without believing they had evidence to show there was probable cause to believe someone committed a crime, she said.

“The prosecutors are convinced they have a case. That’s at least how I read it,” Roiphe added.

[Investigation of Trump Organization now exploring possible criminal conduct, N.Y. attorney general’s office says]
Trump is facing two state-level investigations of his business practices in New York. Both appear to have begun with the same man: Michael Cohen, Trump’s longtime lawyer and attack dog, who turned on Trump after pleading guilty to making hush-money payoffs on Trump’s behalf and lying to Congress.

Vance’s criminal investigation began in 2018, after Cohen pleaded guilty to charges stemming from the hush-money payoffs, made in the last days of the 2016 campaign to women who said they had affairs with Trump years earlier — claims the former president denies. Vance’s investigation soon expanded, as the district attorney sought to examine millions of pages of Trump’s tax records.

Separately, New York Attorney General Letitia James (D) began a civil investigation of the Trump Organization in 2019 prompted by Cohen’s testimony to Congress, where he said Trump had mislead lenders and taxing authorities with manipulated valuations of his assets. Asset values were inflated at times when the company was seeking favorable loan interest rates and were deflated to reduce tax liability, Cohen has alleged. He has been interviewed extensively by Vance’s team, which is now headed by a decorated former federal prosecutor, Mark F. Pomerantz, who is on loan from his law firm to head the Trump case.

Cyrus Vance, Jr. wearing a suit and tie: Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus R. Vance Jr. speaks at a news conference in New York.© Craig Ruttle/AP Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus R. Vance Jr. speaks at a news conference in New York.
In recent months, the two state-level investigations have appeared to converge. Both sets of investigators have sought documents related to a Trump estate in suburban New York, according to court records and people familiar with the efforts, where the then-future president obtained a $21 million tax break by agreeing to give up development rights, and a tower in Chicago where Trump’s lenders forgave $100 million in debt.

Another sign of convergence: James’s office said last week that its long-running civil probe had also spawned a criminal investigation, now being run in coordination with Vance. The state attorney general’s office did not explain what inspired the criminal inquiry, but veterans of the office said such shifts are often triggered by evidence that indicates a defendant intended to break the law.

Trump has attacked both investigations, pointing to comments by James during her 2018 election campaign in which she called him an “illegitimate president” and promised to investigate his family business.

Trump has never been criminally charged. No former U.S. president has ever been charged with a crime.

The Washington Post previously reported that Vance’s office has been trying to pressure the Trump Organization’s chief financial officer, Allen Weisselberg, into cooperating against his boss, a person familiar with the strategy confirmed. Weisselberg is said to know the ins and outs of every business transaction at the company over the course of his decades in employment there.

An attorney for Weisselberg declined to comment when reached Tuesday.

Fahrenthold reported from Washington. Jonathan O’Connell in Washington contributed to this report.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ges/ar-AAKnuWB

[nunbeater]

that's not how perjury works

Tell that to dumbass lefty prosecutors.

why? the only one that seems to think that would be perjury is a dumbass righty wingnut

[sonatine]

total fucking loser.

[TheXFactor]

A grand jury has reportedly been convened in the Manhattan district attorney's criminal investigation into Trump

https://www.businessinsider.com/manh...-report-2021-5

After one day of the grand jury investigating Trump, they should have more than enough evidence to arrest Donald Trump and his entire family.