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    If you don't have ID then not being able to vote should be the least of your worries. You need an ID to:

    Buy alcohol
    Buy cigarettes
    Have a bank account
    Apply for foodstamps
    Apply for welfare
    Apply for a job
    Rent or buy a house
    Drive a car
    Use the Airlines
    Get married
    Buy firearms
    Check into a hotel
    Get a hunting or fishing license
    Go to a bar or casino
    Get prescription medication

    Imagine going through life not being able to do any of the above because you don't have ID. Give me a break. Everybody has ID, even minorities. Plenty of reasons in the above list that people will maintain an ID. The only people I've seen that can't produce ID are underage kids trying to get into bars....and they have a reason not to produce it or criminals that won't show ID to cops.

    Producing ID to vote impedes people from voting twice or more. That's something democrat fanatics are famous for--and the reason they are against voter ID. But requiring voter ID will be applied equally on liberals and conservatives. Sure, it might not have a big effect on national elections but certainly can be a big factor in local elections with small voter bases.

    PS: No one has yet named a country that doesn't require ID to vote. I wonder why. Hahaha!!
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    Classic PFA where everyone comments without reading the law.

    Don’t forget that it also mandates the following:

    Every county have a ballot drop box
    Extends early voting hours
    Requires Saturday early voting in every county
    If a voting location changes they are required to post a 4’x4’ sign
    Voter intimidation hotline will be setup by the State AG

    It’s not nearly as one sided as being reported

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    Quote Originally Posted by abrown83 View Post
    Classic PFA where everyone comments without reading the law.

    Don’t forget that it also mandates the following:

    Every county have a ballot drop box
    Extends early voting hours
    Requires Saturday early voting in every county
    If a voting location changes they are required to post a 4’x4’ sign
    Voter intimidation hotline will be setup by the State AG

    It’s not nearly as one sided as being reported
    LOL some of these changes seeming like they will make it easier for voting where the majority of Dem voters live! Hell! Requiring only 1 drop box for each of the most densely populated counties, such as the one that contains Atlanta, is a joke! And wow on having to post a sign when a voting location changes when the Dem-heavy areas already have way too few polling places! And what fucking good is a hotline to report voting intimidation for voting locations that regularly have ridiculously long lines because of way too few polling locations there. The median wait time for voting in White-majority counties is about 6 minutes, while that in Black-majority counties is almost an hour. When Tellafriend and his fellow pasty-white-skinned country club-set buddies have to regularly wait in line an hour or more there every time they vote, give me a call.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    As I said, I will support any reasonable action to shorten lines or remove undue burden placed upon voters. I will also support measures to make obtaining ID easier and free.

    I will not support any attempt to ease voter fraud or help one side, such as ballot harvesting, universal mail-in voting, no-voter-ID laws, or ridiculously long early voting periods.
    But will you oppose efforts to make lines longer and increase the burden placed on voters, and make it harder to obtain ID? Because that's what your party is doing in every state where it has full control.

    I don't think the prohibition on giving people food and water (as long as they're not advocating a particular candidate while doing so) or handing out ballot applications will survive a court challenge. This kind of thing falls under the right of free association under the first amendment and has been consistently protected by the courts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Quickly! Everyone name a country where you don't have to show ID to vote.
    Wonderful idea. If we're comparing America to other countries, then:

    Name a country where you have to "register" to vote, instead of just being automatically on the list because you live there.

    Name a country where elections are run by partisan officials who twist the rules to their advantage, sometimes even overseeing elections in which they themselves are running.

    Name a country where voting only happens during work hours on a weekday and you might have to stand in line for hours.

    Name a country where parties go to court to try to invalidate thousands, even millions of ballots cast for the opposing party.

    Name a country where you can get millions more votes than the other candidate and still lose the election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
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    that would eliminate any barrier to asking for ID. too bad the rest of your party seems to not support that, over and over, in just about every state it's proposed in.
    Do you think the Democratic Party would be totally cool with voter ID if obtaining ID was easier and free?

    Because the reverse of what you're saying has happened, too. When Republicans have suggested make ID free for poor people, and agreed to assist those having difficulty getting ID, if in return Democrats would support voter ID, Democrats refused.

    Why? Because "not everyone wants ID" and "some won't put the effort in just to be able to vote".

    Basically Democrats want effortless voting, not just the right to vote.

    Don't want to bother getting ID? We just won't ID anyone. Problem solved!

    Don't want to bother to go a mile to the polling place? Just vote by mail. Problem solved!

    Don't want to request an absentee ballot? Just send everyone a ballot by mail, even ones who don't live at their registered address anymore. Problem solved!

    Too lazy to send in your mail-in ballot within a week's time? Make the early voting period very long. Problem solved!

    Too lazy to walk to your mailbox and drop your ballot in there? Vote harvesting is there for you, where Democratic operatives go to neighborhoods and just pick up ballots door-to-door, and then bring them all to be counted! (Oh, and there's no chance they will do anything shady, of course!) Problem solved!


    Remember when voter rights were simply the right to show up at the polling place, prove who you are, and vote?

    Not anymore! If you need to walk even one step out of your home in order to vote, then it's voter suppression!!!!11
    There is some truth to what you say, but Republicans are doing this for a reason, and it isn't because they value fairness. It's to shave a few percentage points off of the number of Democrats who vote, so they can win sometimes. It's a solution in search of a problem.

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    So all of Team Retard wants all eligible adults to vote provided they have ID, meet the criteria, etc?

    If yes, hooray for democracy.

    You won't win any elections though.

    This is why Georgia is doing this, of course. To suppress eligible voters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe View Post
    So all of Team Retard wants all eligible adults to vote provided they have ID, meet the criteria, etc?

    If yes, hooray for democracy.

    You won't win any elections though.

    This is why Georgia is doing this, of course. To suppress eligible voters.
    I don't know about "Team Retard", but I want elections to be fair and nobody hindered from voting if eligible.

    However, that doesn't mean we should throw out security just to make allowances for a tiny percentage of voters without ID, and it doesn't mean we should have super-long early voting, or just fire out ballots to every registered voter on the rolls, including dead people and those who left the state years ago.

    Voting should be a right, but not a right which takes zero effort to exercise.

    Obviously each party is doing what they feel is in their best interest, and isn't basing their position upon morality. However, it's the Democrats who scream "OMG VOTER SUPPRESSION" all the time, and swear they're simply fighting for the rights of black people to be able to vote.

    It's bullshit. Democrats are taking the positions they are because it benefits them. So are Republicans.

    The problem is that Democrats will claim that you're an awful, racist person if you want voter ID.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Quickly! Everyone name a country where you don't have to show ID to vote.
    Wonderful idea. If we're comparing America to other countries, then:

    Name a country where you have to "register" to vote, instead of just being automatically on the list because you live there.

    Name a country where elections are run by partisan officials who twist the rules to their advantage, sometimes even overseeing elections in which they themselves are running.

    Name a country where voting only happens during work hours on a weekday and you might have to stand in line for hours.

    Name a country where parties go to court to try to invalidate thousands, even millions of ballots cast for the opposing party.

    Name a country where you can get millions more votes than the other candidate and still lose the election.
    You still haven't named a country where you have to show ID to vote.
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    There aren't any people without ID. Everyone has it. Thats a false premise Democrats put up because they want liberal fanatics to be able to vote twice or more and get away with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe View Post
    So all of Team Retard wants all eligible adults to vote provided they have ID, meet the criteria, etc?

    If yes, hooray for democracy.

    You won't win any elections though.

    This is why Georgia is doing this, of course. To suppress eligible voters.
    I don't know about "Team Retard", but I want elections to be fair and nobody hindered from voting if eligible.

    However, that doesn't mean we should throw out security just to make allowances for a tiny percentage of voters without ID, and it doesn't mean we should have super-long early voting, or just fire out ballots to every registered voter on the rolls, including dead people and those who left the state years ago.

    Voting should be a right, but not a right which takes zero effort to exercise.

    Obviously each party is doing what they feel is in their best interest, and isn't basing their position upon morality. However, it's the Democrats who scream "OMG VOTER SUPPRESSION" all the time, and swear they're simply fighting for the rights of black people to be able to vote.

    It's bullshit. Democrats are taking the positions they are because it benefits them. So are Republicans.

    The problem is that Democrats will claim that you're an awful, racist person if you want voter ID.
    I agree with voter ID and have always said so, despite there being zero evidence of systemic fraud on any level. Donald Trump can be thanked for exposing this as a farce, given the hundreds of laughable lawsuits conducted after he got bodied by a doddering candidate because he's a narcissistic lunatic.

    I actually think this is crucial to democracy, not just some enforceable GOP loophole.

    The other measures are systemic attempts to suppress poor, disenfranchised people from voting in Georgia. Is it a coincidence that most of the people who are being suppressed vote Democrat? Of course not. I don't think it's racist, but it sure is intentional.

    The GOP knows there is an inverse relationship between more voting and them winning elections, as they are an antiquated relic who can only cling to power by moving the goal posts. Stacey Abrams really cucked them by scooping Georgia. Any argument in favor of the electoral college is specious, but it's the only possible way a GOP candidate will ever win again.

    One party is bending over backwards to prevent every eligible voter from doing so, and it should be called out for exactly what it is: voter suppression.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post

    I don't know about "Team Retard", but I want elections to be fair and nobody hindered from voting if eligible.

    However, that doesn't mean we should throw out security just to make allowances for a tiny percentage of voters without ID, and it doesn't mean we should have super-long early voting, or just fire out ballots to every registered voter on the rolls, including dead people and those who left the state years ago.

    Voting should be a right, but not a right which takes zero effort to exercise.

    Obviously each party is doing what they feel is in their best interest, and isn't basing their position upon morality. However, it's the Democrats who scream "OMG VOTER SUPPRESSION" all the time, and swear they're simply fighting for the rights of black people to be able to vote.

    It's bullshit. Democrats are taking the positions they are because it benefits them. So are Republicans.

    The problem is that Democrats will claim that you're an awful, racist person if you want voter ID.
    I agree with voter ID and have always said so, despite there being zero evidence of systemic fraud on any level. Donald Trump can be thanked for exposing this as a farce, given the hundreds of laughable lawsuits conducted after he got bodied by a doddering candidate because he's a narcissistic lunatic.

    I actually think this is crucial to democracy, not just some enforceable GOP loophole.

    The other measures are systemic attempts to suppress poor, disenfranchised people from voting in Georgia. Is it a coincidence that most of the people who are being suppressed vote Democrat? Of course not. I don't think it's racist, but it sure is intentional.

    The GOP knows there is an inverse relationship between more voting and them winning elections, as they are an antiquated relic who can only cling to power by moving the goal posts. Stacey Abrams really cucked them by scooping Georgia. Any argument in favor of the electoral college is specious, but it's the only possible way a GOP candidate will ever win again.

    One party is bending over backwards to prevent every eligible voter from doing so, and it should be called out for exactly what it is: voter suppression.
    Do you really think there are significant numbers of minority people without ID when they need ID to:

    Buy alcohol
    Buy cigarettes
    Apply for food stamps
    Apply for welfare
    Got to a bar

    You can bet your ass that all minority people have ID because they ain't going to do without what I listed above. And you can bet your ass they will keep ID so they can vote to keep all that shit going.
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    Quote Originally Posted by abrown83 View Post
    Classic PFA where everyone comments without reading the law.

    Don’t forget that it also mandates the following:

    Every county have a ballot drop box
    Extends early voting hours
    Requires Saturday early voting in every county
    If a voting location changes they are required to post a 4’x4’ sign
    Voter intimidation hotline will be setup by the State AG

    It’s not nearly as one sided as being reported
    ABrown is spot on per usual.



    Here's the Georgia republican that stood up to Trump's lies about the 2020 election. He explains what's going on.

    The primary goal of the bill is to take away ambiguity, close all the loopholes where the losing party can throw out allegations of fraud. Putting a plan in place where everyone involved is comfortable with the security of the elections is a good thing. Who isn't for this?

    Quit with the people don't have IDs bullshit. I've asked on this site several times if anyone personality knows one adult that doesn't have an ID and no member of this site has ever said they know someone in that boat. You know why, because they don't fucking exist. And if there are a couple of these people in the country, voting isn't exactly high on their priority list as they clearly wouldn't be functioning adults. This boils down to alot of dem voters are lazy as fuck and don't really give a shit about voting, so the dem party wants to go out of their way to make it as easy as possible for them to vote because they can be easily manipulated to vote blue. If these lazy fucks usually voted republican do you really think dems would be so concerned about this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe View Post

    I agree with voter ID and have always said so, despite there being zero evidence of systemic fraud on any level. Donald Trump can be thanked for exposing this as a farce, given the hundreds of laughable lawsuits conducted after he got bodied by a doddering candidate because he's a narcissistic lunatic.

    I actually think this is crucial to democracy, not just some enforceable GOP loophole.

    The other measures are systemic attempts to suppress poor, disenfranchised people from voting in Georgia. Is it a coincidence that most of the people who are being suppressed vote Democrat? Of course not. I don't think it's racist, but it sure is intentional.

    The GOP knows there is an inverse relationship between more voting and them winning elections, as they are an antiquated relic who can only cling to power by moving the goal posts. Stacey Abrams really cucked them by scooping Georgia. Any argument in favor of the electoral college is specious, but it's the only possible way a GOP candidate will ever win again.

    One party is bending over backwards to prevent every eligible voter from doing so, and it should be called out for exactly what it is: voter suppression.
    Do you really think there are significant numbers of minority people without ID when they need ID to:

    Buy alcohol
    Buy cigarettes
    Apply for food stamps
    Apply for welfare
    Got to a bar

    You can bet your ass that all minority people have ID because they ain't going to do without what I listed above. And you can bet your ass they will keep ID so they can vote to keep all that shit going.
    Agree about ID. Read my post?

    Its the other measures that were passed explicitly to deter Democratic voters in Georgia that Republicans should denounce, instead of moving goalposts to survive.

    Losing both senate seats in GA screams disaster for long term existence. Reform the party and become appealing again nstead of just making it harder for people to vote.

    It's un-American.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post

    Do you really think there are significant numbers of minority people without ID when they need ID to:

    Buy alcohol
    Buy cigarettes
    Apply for food stamps
    Apply for welfare
    Got to a bar

    You can bet your ass that all minority people have ID because they ain't going to do without what I listed above. And you can bet your ass they will keep ID so they can vote to keep all that shit going.
    Agree about ID. Read my post?

    Its the other measures that were passed explicitly to deter Democratic voters in Georgia that Republicans should denounce, instead of moving goalposts to survive.

    Losing both senate seats in GA screams disaster for long term existence. Reform the party and become appealing again nstead of just making it harder for people to vote.

    It's un-American.
    Nothing was passed to deter voters. Watch the video I posted above that explains it. That guy was credibility as he is one of the only Republicans that publicly stood against Trump about the election being rigged.

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