Hey, Druff! Please give a legitimate rationale for Georgia’s new voter suppression rules

[MumblesBadly]

Biden attacks Georgia's new voting limits as 'an atrocity,' civil rights groups sue state
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN2BI2BP

“Among other limits, the Republican-backed law enacted on Thursday imposes...”

(1) stricter identification requirements,
(2) limits drop boxes,
(3) gives lawmakers the power to take over local elections,
(4) shortens the early voting period for all runoff elections, and
(5) makes it a misdemeanor for people to offer food and water to voters in line there.

All this despite the Georgia Secretary of State having reported no significant amount of voter fraud in the most recently run elections there (the general election and the Senate runoff elections).

Well, Druff, self-identified expert on election mechanics and security, what’s the legitimate rationale for such new rules?

[Dan Druff]

Biden attacks Georgia's new voting limits as 'an atrocity,' civil rights groups sue state
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN2BI2BP

“Among other limits, the Republican-backed law enacted on Thursday imposes...”

(1) stricter identification requirements,
(2) limits drop boxes,
(3) gives lawmakers the power to take over local elections,
(4) shortens the early voting period for all runoff elections, and
(5) makes it a misdemeanor for people to offer food and water to voters in line there.

All this despite the Georgia Secretary of State having reported no significant amount of voter fraud in the most recently run elections there (the general election and the Senate runoff elections).

Well, Druff, self-identified expert on election mechanics and security, what’s the legitimate rationale for such new rules?

Oh great, another voter fraud thread.

The "no significant amount of voter fraud" thing is nonsense because voter fraud is usually difficult or impossible to detect, especially when committed on a small scale by a large number of individuals.

Besides, even if it's not "significant", that doesn't mean we should throw security out the window. What if it's a very close election? Then just tough luck on whichever side got screwed by the fraud? Shouldn't we have learned in 2000 that even Presidential elections can sometimes come down to a very small number of votes? Local elections are frequently decided by a small number of votes. In 1992, my vote was the difference between a candidate winning and tying (he won by 2, and I voted for him -- it would have been a tie if I voted for the other guy!)



Regarding the list of new rules passed, I'll quickly comment on them. I'm not interested enough in Georgia voting to look into this further.

(1) stricter identification requirements
GREAT. Identification is required for just about everything in life nowadays, and there are a TON of things you can't do without ID, which are much more life-impacting than not being able to vote. Republicans have offered time and time again to make it easier to get ID (and free for poor people) if the Dems would drop their opposition to voter ID, and Dems have refused.

(2) limits drop boxes,
I don't understand why this would be done. On the surface this would look like a form of intentional voter inconvenience, but perhaps there are legit logistical arguments for this.

(3) gives lawmakers the power to take over local elections,
Mixed feelings on this. This opens the door to more corruption/cheating, but on the flip side, it allows local governments to hold elections in the manner which they feel is most suitable for their locality. Again, I'd need examples of the pros and cons of this before deciding whether this is right.

(4) shortens the early voting period for all runoff elections, and
I don't see the problem with this. Why does an early voting period have to be long?

(5) makes it a misdemeanor for people to offer food and water to voters in line there.
On the surface, this seems cruel and suppressive. However, I actually support this. Say an undecided voter is in a long line in November 2024, and is very hungry and thirsty. All of a sudden, a really nice guy appears wearing a Kamala Harris shirt shows up with cold water and tasty snacks, and hands them out. That could easily influence some voters to go with the candidate supported by this wonderful, kind person handing out the free food and water.


Look, I don't support any kind of voter suppression, but I also don't support fake anti-suppression efforts, which in reality exist to simply give an edge to the other side.

[ftpjesus]

Biden attacks Georgia's new voting limits as 'an atrocity,' civil rights groups sue state
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN2BI2BP

“Among other limits, the Republican-backed law enacted on Thursday imposes...”

(1) stricter identification requirements,
(2) limits drop boxes,
(3) gives lawmakers the power to take over local elections,
(4) shortens the early voting period for all runoff elections, and
(5) makes it a misdemeanor for people to offer food and water to voters in line there.

All this despite the Georgia Secretary of State having reported no significant amount of voter fraud in the most recently run elections there (the general election and the Senate runoff elections).

Well, Druff, self-identified expert on election mechanics and security, what’s the legitimate rationale for such new rules?

Oh great, another voter fraud thread.

The "no significant amount of voter fraud" thing is nonsense because voter fraud is usually difficult or impossible to detect, especially when committed on a small scale by a large number of individuals.

Besides, even if it's not "significant", that doesn't mean we should throw security out the window. What if it's a very close election? Then just tough luck on whichever side got screwed by the fraud? Shouldn't we have learned in 2000 that even Presidential elections can sometimes come down to a very small number of votes? Local elections are frequently decided by a small number of votes. In 1992, my vote was the difference between a candidate winning and tying (he won by 2, and I voted for him -- it would have been a tie if I voted for the other guy!)



Regarding the list of new rules passed, I'll quickly comment on them. I'm not interested enough in Georgia voting to look into this further.

(1) stricter identification requirements
GREAT. Identification is required for just about everything in life nowadays, and there are a TON of things you can't do without ID, which are much more life-impacting than not being able to vote. Republicans have offered time and time again to make it easier to get ID (and free for poor people) if the Dems would drop their opposition to voter ID, and Dems have refused.

(2) limits drop boxes,
I don't understand why this would be done. On the surface this would look like a form of intentional voter inconvenience, but perhaps there are legit logistical arguments for this.

(3) gives lawmakers the power to take over local elections,
Mixed feelings on this. This opens the door to more corruption/cheating, but on the flip side, it allows local governments to hold elections in the manner which they feel is most suitable for their locality. Again, I'd need examples of the pros and cons of this before deciding whether this is right.

(4) shortens the early voting period for all runoff elections, and
I don't see the problem with this. Why does an early voting period have to be long?

(5) makes it a misdemeanor for people to offer food and water to voters in line there.
On the surface, this seems cruel and suppressive. However, I actually support this. Say an undecided voter is in a long line in November 2024, and is very hungry and thirsty. All of a sudden, a really nice guy appears wearing a Kamala Harris shirt shows up with cold water and tasty snacks, and hands them out. That could easily influence some voters to go with the candidate supported by this wonderful, kind person handing out the free food and water.


Look, I don't support any kind of voter suppression, but I also don't support fake anti-suppression efforts, which in reality exist to simply give an edge to the other side.

#5 would be a clear violation of electioneering laws in every state I’m sure. States do not allow anybody with T-shirt’s or any political material within 50-75ft of the polling location normally. So I agree. If it’s apolitical being offered by the polling location itself such as cold water I wouldn’t have a problem with it. Maybe it’s a compromise that’s workable.

On the ID issue this really irks me. Mexico of all places requires ID. Countries in Europe require ID to vote for bloody sake that bastion of democracy IRAQ requires ID what the fuck is wrong with a voter having to prove they are who they say they are. If it’s ok in those other socialist bastions the left loves to drool over why is it a problem here?? I’ll be waiting for a reasonable answer that will never come.

[Crowe Diddly]

(5) makes it a misdemeanor for people to offer food and water to voters in line there.
On the surface, this seems cruel and suppressive. However, I actually support this. Say an undecided voter is in a long line in November 2024, and is very hungry and thirsty. All of a sudden, a really nice guy appears wearing a Kamala Harris shirt shows up with cold water and tasty snacks, and hands them out. That could easily influence some voters to go with the candidate supported by this wonderful, kind person handing out the free food and water.

#5 would be a clear violation of electioneering laws in every state I’m sure. States do not allow anybody with T-shirt’s or any political material within 50-75ft of the polling location normally. So I agree. If it’s apolitical being offered by the polling location itself such as cold water I wouldn’t have a problem with it. Maybe it’s a compromise that’s workable.

It's already illegal in most places to campaign in any way within x amount of feet of a polling station, so there's really no teeth behind the "what if someone from X campaign gives me water?" complaint. GA's current law, before this week, is already no campaigning of any sort within 150 ft of a polling location, 2x-3x farther than even FTP figured. The new GA laws are designed to create long lines in certain places (a standard ploy in GA), and make it illegal to make those lines more comfortable to those waiting, regardless of any other campaigning laws. Let's not act like it's anything else, pls.

[Dan Druff]

As I said, I will support any reasonable action to shorten lines or remove undue burden placed upon voters. I will also support measures to make obtaining ID easier and free.

I will not support any attempt to ease voter fraud or help one side, such as ballot harvesting, universal mail-in voting, no-voter-ID laws, or ridiculously long early voting periods.

[Crowe Diddly]

I will also support measures to make obtaining ID easier and free.

that would eliminate any barrier to asking for ID. too bad the rest of your party seems to not support that, over and over, in just about every state it's proposed in.

[Sidewinder]

I will also support measures to make obtaining ID easier and free.

that would eliminate any barrier to asking for ID. too bad the rest of your party seems to not support that, over and over, in just about every state it's proposed in.

I live in GEorgia and have voted in every presidential election since 1987 and a bunch of local elections.

I have always had to show my ID and I have never waited in a line. I've walked right up to the desk and shown my ID.

Do I think they do anything with my ID and actually check anything? No

Do I think I could vote over and over again? Yes... at least throughout the years but the machines this year were new to me. They printed something out and you had to scan it in a machine.I had never don't that before.

If voting made a difference it would be illegal... honestly every-time I've ever voted I felt like a complete sucker.

[mickeycrimm]

Quickly! Everyone name a country where you don't have to show ID to vote.

[Cerveza Fria]

Quickly! Everyone name a country where you don't have to show ID to vote.

Democratistan

[Dan Druff]

I will also support measures to make obtaining ID easier and free.

that would eliminate any barrier to asking for ID. too bad the rest of your party seems to not support that, over and over, in just about every state it's proposed in.

Do you think the Democratic Party would be totally cool with voter ID if obtaining ID was easier and free?

Because the reverse of what you're saying has happened, too. When Republicans have suggested make ID free for poor people, and agreed to assist those having difficulty getting ID, if in return Democrats would support voter ID, Democrats refused.

Why? Because "not everyone wants ID" and "some won't put the effort in just to be able to vote".

Basically Democrats want effortless voting, not just the right to vote.

Don't want to bother getting ID? We just won't ID anyone. Problem solved!

Don't want to bother to go a mile to the polling place? Just vote by mail. Problem solved!

Don't want to request an absentee ballot? Just send everyone a ballot by mail, even ones who don't live at their registered address anymore. Problem solved!

Too lazy to send in your mail-in ballot within a week's time? Make the early voting period very long. Problem solved!

Too lazy to walk to your mailbox and drop your ballot in there? Vote harvesting is there for you, where Democratic operatives go to neighborhoods and just pick up ballots door-to-door, and then bring them all to be counted! (Oh, and there's no chance they will do anything shady, of course!) Problem solved!


Remember when voter rights were simply the right to show up at the polling place, prove who you are, and vote?

Not anymore! If you need to walk even one step out of your home in order to vote, then it's voter suppression!!!!11

[nightmarefish]

I’m still trying to figure out who these imaginary people are that can’t figure out how to adult and have an ID. Seriously, can anyone honestly point to someone they know that doesn’t have an ID? I know zero such people. And if you do know someone that lives life somehow with no ID is voting super high on their priority list? Anyone arguing you shouldn’t need an ID to vote has been eating retard sandwiches.

[Sloppy Joe]

As I said, I will support any reasonable action to shorten lines or remove undue burden placed upon voters. I will also support measures to make obtaining ID easier and free.

I will not support any attempt to ease voter fraud or help one side, such as ballot harvesting, universal mail-in voting, no-voter-ID laws, or ridiculously long early voting periods.

But these are absolutely in place now to prevent people (by chance, blacks) from voting Democrat in Georgia. The impetus was Trump lying about fraud. Right?

Voter fraud was just scrutinized more closely as a result of GOP loss and lies, but guess what, no fraud found! BuT StIlL.

GOP can't win elections if more people are able to vote, right? More democracy, less GOP. So expect more of this.

LOL at supporting handing out water being made illegal. That logic is more stretched than your stomach after post-dinner hot dogs.

[Sloppy Joe]

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https://twitter.com/twt/status/1376170459100803076

LOL, even Lady G can't defend aspects of GOP voter suppression.

If you can't beat 'em, change the rules and throw up barricades! Law and order party lol

[Texter]

Embedded Tweet

https://twitter.com/twt/status/1376170459100803076

LOL, even Lady G can't defend aspects of GOP voter suppression.

If you can't beat 'em, change the rules and throw up barricades! Law and order party lol

Everyone knows giving freebies on election sites is illegal.

[Jayjami]

Nothing Georgia is doing is illegal. If Republicans just admitted that they are doing it to benefit themselves politically, I’d be fine with it, but they chose to justify their actions with a lie. Lol @ voter fraud.

[NickyPipes]

This thread reveals a lot about Mumbles mindset.

He wants Druff, who is not a politician and not from Georgia to justify new voting rules that he has absolutely no control over. Bizarre! Why would Druff, or anybody, need to justify that? Do you think he has some control or influence over what Georgia does with their voting laws?

It reveals the pathetic and lonely nature of Mumbles life. He has become so obsessed with politicians, that he believes he has influence over these situations. After all, he is on the “good guys” team! Don’t you realize his nonstop political posts help the good guys?

It’s a bit sad. All those lonely nights in cheap motels. All those miles alone in his truck listening to the latest Liberal radio show or podcast. The thousands of liberal PFA posts. All have combined to convinced this true life loser, who has nothing to show of all his years on this earth, that he matters. His voice means something.

I get it Mumbles, at least you found something to be passionate about, as you’ve built and achieved nothing of real value. Don’t get it twisted though brother, none of us have any power or influence.

[Sloppy Joe]

This thread reveals a lot about Mumbles mindset.

He wants Druff, who is not a politician and not from Georgia to justify new voting rules that he has absolutely no control over. Bizarre! Why would Druff, or anybody, need to justify that? Do you think he has some control or influence over what Georgia does with their voting laws?

It reveals the pathetic and lonely nature of Mumbles life. He has become so obsessed with politicians, that he believes he has influence over these situations. After all, he is on the “good guys” team! Don’t you realize his nonstop political posts help the good guys?

It’s a bit sad. All those lonely nights in cheap motels. All those miles alone in his truck listening to the latest Liberal radio show or podcast. The thousands of liberal PFA posts. All have combined to convinced this true life loser, who has nothing to show of all his years on this earth, that he matters. His voice means something.

I get it Mumbles, at least you found something to be passionate about, as you’ve built and achieved nothing of real value. Don’t get it twisted though brother, none of us have any power or influence.

LOL at this weird chink trying something new.

Pretty weak.

[dwai]

This thread reveals a lot about Mumbles mindset.

He wants Druff, who is not a politician and not from Georgia to justify new voting rules that he has absolutely no control over. Bizarre! Why would Druff, or anybody, need to justify that? Do you think he has some control or influence over what Georgia does with their voting laws?

It reveals the pathetic and lonely nature of Mumbles life. He has become so obsessed with politicians, that he believes he has influence over these situations. After all, he is on the “good guys” team! Don’t you realize his nonstop political posts help the good guys?

It’s a bit sad. All those lonely nights in cheap motels. All those miles alone in his truck listening to the latest Liberal radio show or podcast. The thousands of liberal PFA posts. All have combined to convinced this true life loser, who has nothing to show of all his years on this earth, that he matters. His voice means something.

I get it Mumbles, at least you found something to be passionate about, as you’ve built and achieved nothing of real value. Don’t get it twisted though brother, none of us have any power or influence.

[MumblesBadly]

This thread reveals a lot about Mumbles mindset.

He wants Druff, who is not a politician and not from Georgia to justify new voting rules that he has absolutely no control over. Bizarre! Why would Druff, or anybody, need to justify that? Do you think he has some control or influence over what Georgia does with their voting laws?

It reveals the pathetic and lonely nature of Mumbles life. He has become so obsessed with politicians, that he believes he has influence over these situations. After all, he is on the “good guys” team! Don’t you realize his nonstop political posts help the good guys?

It’s a bit sad. All those lonely nights in cheap motels. All those miles alone in his truck listening to the latest Liberal radio show or podcast. The thousands of liberal PFA posts. All have combined to convinced this true life loser, who has nothing to show of all his years on this earth, that he matters. His voice means something.

I get it Mumbles, at least you found something to be passionate about, as you’ve built and achieved nothing of real value. Don’t get it twisted though brother, none of us have any power or influence.

Druff routinely comments on political matters that don’t directly affect him, and usually with ridiculous rightwing spins on them. So sad that his warped perception of politics these days can’t let him see through the frauds he helps to spread on the Internet with some of the arguments he repeats from rightwing propaganda sites posing as news outlets,, albeit sometimes with mild attenuations to meant to make himself appear to unbiased about the matter. But even sadder if Druff knows they are fraudulent arguments and helps spread them regardless of their dubious merit. Can’t really tell anymore.

Paging Sanlmar: Any thoughts on the matter, sir?

[NickyPipes]

This thread reveals a lot about Mumbles mindset.

He wants Druff, who is not a politician and not from Georgia to justify new voting rules that he has absolutely no control over. Bizarre! Why would Druff, or anybody, need to justify that? Do you think he has some control or influence over what Georgia does with their voting laws?

It reveals the pathetic and lonely nature of Mumbles life. He has become so obsessed with politicians, that he believes he has influence over these situations. After all, he is on the “good guys” team! Don’t you realize his nonstop political posts help the good guys?

It’s a bit sad. All those lonely nights in cheap motels. All those miles alone in his truck listening to the latest Liberal radio show or podcast. The thousands of liberal PFA posts. All have combined to convinced this true life loser, who has nothing to show of all his years on this earth, that he matters. His voice means something.

I get it Mumbles, at least you found something to be passionate about, as you’ve built and achieved nothing of real value. Don’t get it twisted though brother, none of us have any power or influence.

LOL at this weird chink trying something new.

Pretty weak.

Chink???