1. Joe Lewis 65-3 (51 KO's)
2. Rocky Marciano 49-0 (43 KO's)
3. Muhammed Ali 56-5 (37 KO's)
imho
1. Joe Lewis 65-3 (51 KO's)
2. Rocky Marciano 49-0 (43 KO's)
3. Muhammed Ali 56-5 (37 KO's)
imho
Originally Posted by tony bagadonuts
One of my fav articles
http://coxscorner.tripod.com/boxchart1.html
their top 10
-2. Joe Louis (89) Louis most closely resembles the perfect fighter. He scored high in power, hand speed, killer instinct, heart, and ring generalship. He did well in all categories with his lowest scores in footwork and chin but still "solid." A near fundamentally flawless masterful technician as well as being a devastating puncher. His combination punching to the head and body was the best in division history.
1-2. Muhammad Ali (89) Ali's overall skills and strong showing in all categories give him a high mark. He received the only 10 in Footwork- as his lateral movement and foot speed was head and shoulders above the field. His hand speed, durability, heart and ring generalship were among the best.
3. Larry Holmes (88) Holmes scored very well in all categories showing why he is on the rise in many all time lists. A great technician. Not a true power puncher but good enough.
4. Jack Johnson (87) Johnson received my only 10 in Defense as he was a master at glove blocking, parrying, feinting, smothering and evading blows, and was a great counter-puncher, things most heavyweights are not good at. Ring founder Nat Fleischer, who saw them all, believed that Johnson's skills were incomparable defensively. Johnson had a 10 year unbeaten streak longer than many a fighters career. Johnson's relatively weak chin kept him from ranking higher.
5. Jack Dempsey (86) Dempsey's ability to inflict heavy damage, his will and killer instinct and often under appreciated boxing skills show why some consider him to be a heavyweight version of Roberto Duran. One of the greatest attackers and finishers in ring history, Dempsey finished 1st in 1950 AP Poll as the greatest fighter of all time.
6-8. Joe Frazier (83) A strong pressure fighter who gave 3 minutes of work every round, he was also a strong puncher especially with his great left hook. His defense is pretty good, especially against boxer types as his slip and duck rate is the highest I have encountered.
6-8. Jim Jeffries (83) Big enough to compete with modern heavyweights, Jeffries was also a world class athlete with a 6' high jump and could run the 100 yard dash in 10.5 seconds. Jeffries combined great stamina with a great chin which made him a very tough opponent. Big Jeff was a strong puncher who fought out of a crouch. A bit crude but no more so than Marciano or Foreman.
6-8. Mike Tyson (83) One of the best in combination of both speed and power in ring history. Tyson also had great killer instinct. His lowest score was in heart as he never showed the ability to come from behind when hurt and was a psychological front-runner.
9-10. Sonny Liston (82) A strong puncher with a powerful jab which came behind an 84" reach equal to that of Lennox Lewis and among the best in division history. He was a good technician with under-appreciated boxing skills. He had a decent chin. On the downside he is the only heavyweight champion to quit/surrender his title on his stool so his heart is suspect.
9-10. Lennox Lewis (82) Lennox results should be no suprise. He has the size, reach and frightening power to knock out virtually anyone. He can box well, has maneuverability, and is an adequate ring general. He could be more aggressive at times and was inconsistent in this manner. His chin was also not at the highest level.
Great choices Rollo, I will add three that aren't on your list. I would say they are all top ten.
Lennox Lewis
Larry Holmes
Evander Holyfield
Mohammed Ali
Rocky Marciano
Joe Lewis
Honorable mention Jack Dempsey
I'm gonna have to do this when I have a few minutes, but I'm not sure Evander makes it into my top 10.
agree Holyfield is top 10 but Larry Holmes fought a lot of bums and couldn't crack my top 5 imho maybe he was just unlucky that the quality of competition is his era was so mediocre Witherspoon, Smith, Weaver, Snipes, Shavers and Williams lolI'm gonna have to do this when I have a few minutes, but I'm not sure Evander makes it into my top 10.
Holmes is not a top 10 heavyweight...simply the best during an era of bums. I put Lennox in same category....amazingly overrated.
Ali
Holmes
Hollyfield
those are the three best i saw fight...Ali was incredibly quick and set an extreme pace that challenged his opponents endurance. Holmes also fought at a fast pace, had reach and accurate punching, Hollyfield had amazing conditioning.
i guess Louis would probably make most experts lists as 2nd to Ali...don't know who would be third, maybe Jack Johnson or Jim Jeffries....but i don't think Marciano or Dempsey were all time calibur, or were any of the others mentioned imho
In the top 10: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Chuvalo
It is indisputable that Ali and Louis are one and two, probably in that order but not necessarily. No valid argument can be made otherwise. Number three is open to debate, but I would say the top contenders are Jack Johnson and Jack Dempsey.
Agree Louis/Ali are 1-2 in no particular order. There's a lot of guys you could make an argument for 3. I'd have to think about it more. I'm not putting Tyson near my top 3. Maybe Foreman. Dempsey.
Hi JMM! What's up, kid? I don't put Tyson in the top 10, btw. He's maybe 12.
Hi JMM! What's up, kid? I don't put Tyson in the top 10, btw. He's maybe 12.
Not a lot, man. Been a shitty last month or so for boxing, eh? Between PED's, injuries, etc., seems like every big fight has been canceled. Looking forward to Sergio/JCC Jr, though.
How ya been?
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