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    Druff, do you know this chick?

    I left her name out of title intentionally. This is probably more a Vegas Casino Talk question, but since that element has moved here, this Gina Fiore girl. She’s Italian girl here on poker after dark sitting next to Tilly.



    It’s been cold as fuck for past week so I’ve caught up on podcasts I haven’t listened to for years. I stumbled into Tuchman’s Landon Tice interview, as I had never heard of him before challenge and that lead to suggesting some ringer series about gamblers that he was involved with for the Galfond episode.

    This girl was featured on another episode as blackjack savant. Wasn’t really a great series. More for people who are unfamiliar with that world. Kind of reminded me of early poker stuff that had me thinking TJ Cloutier was a genius thinker rather than constantly staked guy.

    According to show and subsequent Gambling with Edge podcast, she’s been at BJ/advantage play/poker to a lesser extent for twenty years. Given she seemed to be a fixture in that world in Vegas and SoCal, has to be fortyish at least given the timeframe, she has a kid with a poker player, it would seem shocking if you didn’t know her.

    As I listened to shows, she doesn’t come off particularly sharp, but I’m guessing she must be as she’s had court cases go to Supreme Court level regarding seized cash. There is so much you can’t really delve into when you’re a holecarding casino sharp, so maybe that’s why I struggled to get a read on if she’s legit, or was just a pretty girl who found sharp friends? I’m guessing she’s sharp, but it’s a hard skill to explain.

    I was just curious on your read? If you do know her, but can’t really address it given the nature of advantage play, feel free to delete thread.

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    Yes, I know her, though I'm not sure if we've ever met.

    We've communicated on Twitter, and at one point she was scheduled to come on PFA Radio. However, some drama occurred when some PFA listeners who don't like her were pressuring me not to have her on, and when I approached her about it, she said that it's probably better to just skip the whole thing. (None of this had to do with any scamming or anything like that, just AP world drama.)

    Interestingly, my first mention of her on PFA seems to have been a false accusation. In the 2000s, a fairly pretty girl who looked like Gina was at my 100-200 table at Bellagio. The girl check-raised me on the turn with middle pair and a draw, whereas I had top pair. I called her down on the blank river, and she didn't want to show her hand. She said, "A pair of 10s", instead of showing first, as she was supposed to. She looked annoyed and turned over a ten, still hiding the other card. I told her that she had to either show or muck (it's not fair that she only shows if she can beat me), so she finally turned over her hand. I then turned over my top pair, and took the pot.

    The girl then remarked that I was an asshole. She and I went back and forth, and clearly she was feeling entitled because she was an attractive female and was pissed that a guy at the table wouldn't fall for her bullshit. Of course, a bunch of simp dudes at the table took her side and told me I was out of line (lol). I held my ground, and the atmosphere at the table from that point forward was tense.

    Years later I saw articles about Gina and saw a picture of her, and thought she was the girl in question. Gina would have been the right age at the time (this was in the 2000s), and looked a lot like the girl. I assumed it had to be her, and posted the story on PFA.

    Gina then contacted me and insisted it wasn't her. She swore up and down that this never happened, and that she had no recollection of any confrontation with me. She said she had a vague memory of playing with me once or twice, but nothing ever happened that was out of the ordinary or confrontational. She seemed very convincing, so I believed her. My memory of the girl was someone who had a similar look to Gina, but it's not like she was dead ringer for her. It could have easily been someone different. I took the post down, and since then we've gotten along well on social media, though we aren't particularly close.

    I still might have her on radio at some point in the future.

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    Thanks for the response. She just seemed to be someone you would have crossed paths with, and given every semi-attractive girl who has ever had a winning 1/2 session was poker famous for a minute, I was curious how I hadn’t ever heard of her?

    My first thought was she seems like someone you’d know and have on radio.

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    As an aside, I really don’t grasp that holecarding thing. According to her interview, she gave a zoom meeting on holecarding. I probably would have paid for that if it wasn’t overly expensive out of curiosity. I imagine that was likely really frowned upon by that AP world.

    I can honestly say in many years of sitting at blackjack tables, I very rarely caught any glimpse. Even before the peekers they check cards with when they used to look themselves.

    I wasn’t trying often, but I tend to sit at third base or first. Basic counting is easy, although not worth getting banned where I live with only two casinos at my disposal. I always counted downtown when I was in Vegas back in the day. I don’t think I have the vision to holecard, but would have checked it out for curiosity. You are so obviously a card counter that it makes it never worth it in any casino you care about returning to.

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    Yeah she had some kind of boot camp recently for advantage play, and it was fairly expensive. That was what caused the drama among some APs, who are very sensitive to any possible techniques or secrets being exposed to outsiders. So some were angry about this and didn't want to hear her on PFA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Yeah she had some kind of boot camp recently for advantage play, and it was fairly expensive. That was what caused the drama among some APs, who are very sensitive to any possible techniques or secrets being exposed to outsiders. So some were angry about this and didn't want to hear her on PFA.
    I had seen that Gambling with an Edge pod before, but it tended to be like slots grinders and shit that didn’t interest me. I remember Micon and Kessler back in the day, and I didn’t doubt it was profitable, just not interesting unless you’re there.

    I scrolled through after listening to this to see if anything else was interesting and found that she had done a two part episode a few years back.

    That was just much better, idk why? I have noticed after the last year, everyone is worse communicators. I know I am.

    A year of talking to the same five people every day. That previous one just had more clarity. Interesting girl. Tells a lot of stories, some are same from later shows, but that older one was just a better listen. That narrator from ringer series wasn’t good.

    Talk of a book in 2019.

    My takeaway is she had bad timing. She found that whole blackjack world young, but had she found poker immediately when it was so easy in like 2001 or 2002, she would have been a famous girl. She wouldn’t have had to be even great to be famous.


    Sounds like she was grinding limit until later that decade when she played. I don’t blame her when it sounds like she was printing money with her team doing her thing, but in hindsight, that was a missed opportunity. NL in 2008 was already late to the dance for the sponsorships.

    She’s still an attractive woman, but an attractive exotic looking girl with some poker scores and her backstory when she was early twenties, forget about it. She makes one run in any tourney into the top 30 in 2004 and with her BJ tales, that’s a Ben Mezrich book. Her boyfriend of that era went poker, and she didn’t use his name, but I know who she is talking about. She had access to great players.

    We were fascinated with a beat up Annie Duke walking around with dirty feet. She would have beat the Vanessa Ruosso types to the fame a few years earlier and would have been a better looking and more interesting story.

    She had bad luck with the real estate thing, but she also had bad luck getting to poker just a step late.

    On blackjack, when they talk about holecarding being a 13% edge if you could play it 100%, which they said in pod, they’re talking if you didn’t have to worry about drawing suspicion, right?

    Like if you could do shit like hit 18 and 19 when the dealer has 20? You can’t though or you’d get blown up in 30 seconds. I assume the huge edge comes from spots where you’re sitting 18 with a dealer showing 8, but you know there is another 8 underneath? You double, you just look a little wild. Spots like that?

    I can see the huge advantage of being Asian they keep talking about. Asians do so much funky shit at blackjack, it’s a license to steal if you know wtf dealer has. Everyone is used to seeing Asians do strange shit. You hit something weird being middle aged white guy, alarms are going off.

    It’s a shame this girl didn’t run into that agent dude from way back. Brian something-agent for all the early poker players. Girl would have had a movie about her.

    The problem with being an advantage player seems it is really hard to market if you want to parlay it into something beyond the play itself. There is an edge over here, you go exploit it, but you can’t tell anyone outside your small world, and they plug it, and you have to seek out new spots and it just gets continually harder.

    A poker player or a sports gambler can make a score and explain their process the whole way after the fact. I heard ODB David Baker talking about winning the Westgate NFL comp the other day. He can tell you his approach after the fact. You’re impressed by his approach and thinking from the get. If he wanted to be a tout tomorrow, you know he’s sharp.

    Poker players can share their mindset on hands, approach, etc.

    Advantage pods are “I knew what was coming out of shoe”, like the one guy said talking about the lucky lady tables, and I can mentally jump to he must be talking some variation of shuffle tracking or whatever, but I’ve played tens of thousands of hands over my life and even I’m not sure. Trying to market that to anyone not really involved in gambling already is really hard.

    It’s basically you have to find people you really trust, who aren’t morons, and then take them along and show them. That’s the only real way to demonstrate. Poker players still had online the last year. Those advantage players have to feel like this has been going on for 5 years without access.

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    1. Druff has a good memory.
    2. Druff tells the best stories.

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    I listened to that ringer podcast series as well. Agree with your take BCR. The Galfond and the bookie eps were watered-down and boring to me. I liked the one about the horse handicapper, but that arena is something I know little about. I did enjoy the Fiore ep also, because I had never heard of her before. My favorite thing with her was that a pro gamblers biggest bad beat was buying real estate at the worst time.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by gut View Post
    I listened to that ringer podcast series as well. Agree with your take BCR. The Galfond and the bookie eps were watered-down and boring to me. I liked the one about the horse handicapper, but that arena is something I know little about. I did enjoy the Fiore ep also, because I had never heard of her before. My favorite thing with her was that a pro gamblers biggest bad beat was buying real estate at the worst time.
    Yeah, the bookie one struck me as almost a plug for a tout. If he’s sharp, you couldn’t tell. Seemed like a nice enough guy, but I struggled to even buy the story.

    I enjoyed the same two episodes as you, and even they weren’t great. Just interesting subject matter.

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    Can you rustle up some links BCR? TIA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post
    Can you rustle up some links BCR? TIA

    https://www.theringer.com/gamblers-podcast

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    Druff- Do you know this chick? She is rolling a Beretta...


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    Listen up guys. From what I can tell of rxgamble's tweets she is a single mom. I think the kid is like 5 or six years old. She has been actively seeking a new boyfriend on some of the dating sites. But from what I can tell she is extremely picky. I can also tell from her tweets that she is liberal. So she probably won't go for a conservative (real man). But some of you pansy assed young libtards might give it a shot. If you've got the guts. Oh, thats right. Libtards are gay.
    POKER FAG ALERT! POKER FAG ALERT! FOR GAY SEX CONTACT SLOPPY JOE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
    Libtards are gay.
    Are you using the word "gay" to denote homosexuality or a feeling of light-hearted happiness? BTW, wasn't Brokeback Mountain set in Montana? You know: Montana, where the men are real men and the sheep are real nervous?

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    Quote Originally Posted by call me ray View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
    Libtards are gay.
    Are you using the word "gay" to denote homosexuality or a feeling of light-hearted happiness? BTW, wasn't Brokeback Mountain set in Montana? You know: Montana, where the men are real men and the sheep are real nervous?

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    I once asked an old Montana cowboy how those montana cowboy/sheep jokes got started. He said the North Dakotans started that shit. He said "Montana is all cattle and them fuckin' sheep are in north dakota so fuck them."

    The movie, Brokeback Mountain, was about two gay Wyoming cowboys. After it came out, when I would flop a set of Kings at holdem, I would call the hand "the brokeback boys in a menage trois." Some people laughed. Some people got pissed.

    What do you call a Montana cowboy with two sheep in the back of his pickup truck?
    A pimp LOL
    POKER FAG ALERT! POKER FAG ALERT! FOR GAY SEX CONTACT SLOPPY JOE.

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