This is all so simple actually.
If Donald Trump is found guilty here, it's game over. He can not and will not run again in 2024 which is the whole point. This is to finally and wholly remove him from a Political Office in the future (mainly 2024). If Trump is found Guilty here, he cant run in 2024 its that simple. That is the whole point of this entire ordeal (saga?). And imo he is guilty and he is going to pay the consequences. And as a result we as a Country will not have to endure another 'Donald Trump' saga again in 2024. This is to wholly, remove his ability to hold public office moving forward. And I think that's Dupeds point to you here actually, you seem to want to see Trump survive this (lol not happening)..
I think it will work and its 'Game Over' for Donald Trump and he isnt going to be able to run in 2024. The whole point, stop arguing semantics imo...
You both are wrong. First of all, I am not a member of either political party. Also I did not vote Trump into office. Back in 2016 I wrote "None of the Above" on my Ballot as a write in Candidate. (In Florida we can do write in candidates) I think we were faced with 2 horrible choices between him and Hillary. I couldn't bring myself to vote for either of them. And personally, I would like to see him go away quietly. But, unlike you and many other Libtards, I am able to differentiate between PROCESS and OUTCOME. To me the end, never justifies the means, fi the means are not Constitutional. Congress does not have the right to try and convict Private citizens. Trump is a private Citizen. Game over.
And you say he's sunk. I say good luck finding 67 votes to convict. Even the most anti-Trump folks have acknowledged this. Just like there was not way the Republicans could find 67 votes to Convict and remove Clinton. There will only be around 5-8 Republicans that vote to convict. Add that to the 50 Democrats and you get what number? Far less than the 67 needed. Game over.
o.k not that it is important but because I don't care if people know this...
I am a Registered (Independent) and have been for over a decade now. I really am truly a 'Middle of the road' guy. I'd say in certain areas like Economically I definitely lean more Right or 'Conservative' in ways. But social freedoms I think people need space am probably more Left leaning and Liberal for example. I can actually truly go either way, with who I will vote for and why every 4 years. I guess that is why im an (Independent).. lol at thinking I am a Liberal i am not. I am however and have been for years a registered (Independent) =)
I'm also a Floridian (swing State) like yourself, So us actual real (Independent) matter come election time here they say =)
Last edited by garrett; 02-10-2021 at 12:25 PM.
If Donald Trump and his supporters pull out of the republican party....then the republican party will be reduced to a third place party barely getting 17% of the vote in state and federal elections. Thats the reality of the situation. Idiots like Romney, Sasse, Murkowski, will destroy the republican party if they get their way.
POKER FAG ALERT! FOR BLOW JOB SEE SLOPPY JOE THE TRANNIE HO.
O.K more Semantics from you MAGA-Tards.
Honestly end of the day I think it's game over for Donald Trump here. And let's say you are correct, and he doesn't get impeached here for a second time. You really think the GOP abd Republicans actually will get behind this total mess that is Donald Trump. You cant win an actual Political Office, without the GOP behind you and even if he skirts this LOL if you think the GOP is going to get behind him, they will not. So again leaving Semantics out of this IMO it's game over for Donald Trump. And for us as a whole and this Country I do love. I think it is in our best interest that we as a Country now move on, past this ridiculous in ways, Donald Trump era....
Its just time we al move on now, he wasn't that great either. A delusional power-mongerer, blowhard, and me personally im so over him (or this all) honestly...
I'm sure you're a good lawyer, but you're not a constitutional lawyer and you couldn't be more wrong. An impeachment and a bill of attainder are two completely different things. A bill of attainder is substituting the legislature's vote for the vote of a jury in a criminal proceeding, which the Constitution prohibits because trial for crimes must be by jury. An impeachment is explicitly not a criminal proceeding, and it relates only to removal from office and possible disqualification from holding further office. The Constitution specifically separates impeachment and criminal proceedings and states that separate criminal proceedings can be brought in addition to impeachments. Therefore the bill of attainder argument is completely inapplicable and irrelevant. If the bill of attainder clause applied here, it would render ANY impeachment impossible, including while the President remained in office.
This is from Article I, section 3 of the Constitution:
As for the timing, it was McConnell who said there would be no proceeding before the inauguration, and he controlled the Senate at the time. It had nothing to do with Pelosi.Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.
HILLARY WON
Congress has impeached former office holders before. And it is not true that the only thing that can happen on conviction is removal. He can also be disqualified from holding any federal office in the future.
Calling him a libtard for pointing out what it says right in the Constitution only shows that you must have skipped constitutional law when you were in law school.
If you think the Supreme Court is going to overturn an impeachment and conviction based on Marbury v. Madison you need to go back to law school. They won't even hear the case.
HILLARY WON
Even if Mitch McConnell encourages his Republican Senators to find Trump guilty, they still probably won't get the 17 Republican Senators they need to convict Trump.
https://twitter.com/twt/status/1359498308226547719
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