The 25th Amendment

[Daly]

After they finish certifying the election tonight, the House should impeach Trump and the Senate should convict him. They have the votes now. Penalty, removal from office plus disqualification from ever holding public office under the United States.

Not enough time and too much red tape.

If he’s going out for his last 14 days it going to have be the 25th.

[Zap_the_Fractions_Giraffe]

classic thread, less than 3 pages and people legit believing in politicians, nuclear weapons and covid

[Zap_the_Fractions_Giraffe]

krypt please don't type anything immediately after my posts

[Crowe Diddly]

Not enough time and too much red tape.

If he’s going out for his last 14 days it going to have be the 25th.

Yes, but there are things the impeachment route offers that the 25th doesn't. Impeachment in this case would be a very quick House vote, and then the Senate can hold a trial as fast as they can schedule it. They have complete control over how fast the trial would start, and how long it would run. While they'd be unlikely to get 2/3 of the upper house to throw him out, they would only need half +1 to disqualify him from ever running for any public office in the US ever again. They would certainly be able to hit that mark, and that alone would make it worthwhile.

[BCR]

Not enough time and too much red tape.

If he’s going out for his last 14 days it going to have be the 25th.

Yes, but there are things the impeachment route offers that the 25th doesn't. Impeachment in this case would be a very quick House vote, and then the Senate can hold a trial as fast as they can schedule it. They have complete control over how fast the trial would start, and how long it would run. While they'd be unlikely to get 2/3 of the upper house to throw him out, they would only need half +1 to disqualify him from ever running for any public office in the US ever again. They would certainly be able to hit that mark, and that alone would make it worthwhile.

You have a link on the +1? I’ve never heard that. Seems an easy solution for those who want their party back.

[Crowe Diddly]

You have a link on the +1? I’ve never heard that. Seems an easy solution for those who want their party back.

you;ve never heard of it because there's only been 3 Presidential impeachments, and 2 of them were second term presidents where it wasn't a realistic punishment. BUT, other fed officials have been impeached under this system, and that's where we get the specifics of how it works.

Article 1, section 3. Clause 7.

https://constitution.congress.gov/br...rtI_S3_C7_1_1/

"Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law."

Simple majority is all that's needed, while removal needs 2/3 of the Senate. Footnote 3 from the link above references the case where this was established, when a judge was impeached and removed from office on multiple articles of impeachment, and then was also disqualified from any official position in the US govt/judiciary by a Senate vote of 39-35.

[BCR]

Forget it, I found it.

https://law.justia.com/constitution/...ification.html

[TheXFactor]

Okay, who has the balls to take down Trump?

[Dan Druff]

I don't see how the 25th Amendment really applies here.

Trump isn't unable to fulfill his duties. He's just acting in a way that a lot of people (even his own Cabinet, apparently) don't like.

That's a huge difference between being unable to fulfill his duties.

This is really aimed at Presidents who are physically incapacitated, mentally disabled (Biden might get there in a few years), or clinically insane.

Being in denial of your defeat and implicitly encouraging rioters to fight for you doesn't quite qualify. I'm not saying it can't happen, but that it wasn't really made for this.

[desertrunner]

Wow, between the media and politicians, they all gained up against Trump tonight like he’s the national bad guy. All the guy wanted to do was make the nation better.

[Rick Sanchez]

Yeah it's everyone else that's the problem.

[RealTalk]

i cant believe mike pence, mitch mcconnell and lindsey graham all gained up on trump like this.

[big dick]

why is everyone gaining up on poor Don?

[RealTalk]

and druff, i cant believe druff is jumping in to gain up on trump with all the other pfa libtards

[Salty_Aus]

I don't see how the 25th Amendment really applies here.

Trump isn't unable to fulfill his duties. He's just acting in a way that a lot of people (even his own Cabinet, apparently) don't like.

That's a huge difference between being unable to fulfill his duties.

This is really aimed at Presidents who are physically incapacitated, mentally disabled (Biden might get there in a few years), or clinically insane.

Being in denial of your defeat and implicitly encouraging rioters to fight for you doesn't quite qualify. I'm not saying it can't happen, but that it wasn't really made for this.

I don't believe he's in denial, I reckon he knows damn well he lost. This has been his plan for many, many months.

But let's agree its merely denial for now.

Does this lessen what happened today or make it much worse?

Would you agree he's inciting an insurrection?

And one last question. Honestly how does it feel to see people behaving like this based on a president in denial?

[big dick]

I don't see how the 25th Amendment really applies here.

Trump isn't unable to fulfill his duties. He's just acting in a way that a lot of people (even his own Cabinet, apparently) don't like.

That's a huge difference between being unable to fulfill his duties.

This is really aimed at Presidents who are physically incapacitated, mentally disabled (Biden might get there in a few years), or clinically insane.

Being in denial of your defeat and implicitly encouraging rioters to fight for you doesn't quite qualify. I'm not saying it can't happen, but that it wasn't really made for this.

I don't believe he's in denial, I reckon he knows damn well he lost. This has been his plan for many, many months.

But let's agree its merely denial for now.

Does this lessen what happened today or make it much worse?

Would you agree he's inciting an insurrection?

And one last question. Honestly how does it feel to see people behaving like this based on a president in denial?

Gotta be something more to it

WE have trump
trump doesn't care about america
trump doesn't actually care about the "cause"
trump doesnt care about the people who support him
trump only cares about trump
trump doesnt even want the job of being president obviously

why on gods earth would trump do what he is doing and not just go ahead and retire to a real nice life in florida?

so what are his motives?

Keep himself out of jail? Ehh unlikely as he surely knows that isn't going to happen
His full tax returns released? Ehh doubt he cares too much about that


someone somewhere has to have something real real REAL bad on him and in his eyes to only way to make it go away is of he remains president


maybe it's something epstein related or something like that

[Salty_Aus]

I don't believe he's in denial, I reckon he knows damn well he lost. This has been his plan for many, many months.

But let's agree its merely denial for now.

Does this lessen what happened today or make it much worse?

Would you agree he's inciting an insurrection?

And one last question. Honestly how does it feel to see people behaving like this based on a president in denial?

Gotta be something more to it

WE have trump
trump doesn't care about america
trump doesn't actually care about the "cause"
trump doesnt care about the people who support him
trump only cares about trump
trump doesnt even want the job of being president obviously

why on gods earth would trump do what he is doing and not just go ahead and retire to a real nice life in florida?

so what are his motives?

Keep himself out of jail? Ehh unlikely as he surely knows that isn't going to happen
His full tax returns released? Ehh doubt he cares too much about that


someone somewhere has to have something real real REAL bad on him and in his eyes to only way to make it go away is of he remains president


maybe it's something epstein related or something like that

I used to watch David Letterman back in the day. Late 80s I guess. And I used to always wonder why Trump was constantly showing up to get his face on the telly... with DL relentlessly taking the piss.

This is when I first figured he's genuinely a narcissist. All he cares about is being the centre of attention.

BTW David Letterman wasn't pretending, he strongly dislikes him.

[Dan Druff]

I don't see how the 25th Amendment really applies here.

Trump isn't unable to fulfill his duties. He's just acting in a way that a lot of people (even his own Cabinet, apparently) don't like.

That's a huge difference between being unable to fulfill his duties.

This is really aimed at Presidents who are physically incapacitated, mentally disabled (Biden might get there in a few years), or clinically insane.

Being in denial of your defeat and implicitly encouraging rioters to fight for you doesn't quite qualify. I'm not saying it can't happen, but that it wasn't really made for this.

I don't believe he's in denial, I reckon he knows damn well he lost. This has been his plan for many, many months.

But let's agree its merely denial for now.

Does this lessen what happened today or make it much worse?

Would you agree he's inciting an insurrection?

And one last question. Honestly how does it feel to see people behaving like this based on a president in denial?

I already told you I don't like seeing people behave this way, and felt that force should have been used to stop the Capitol storming. So I'm not sure what you're asking with that last line.

He is inciting riots, yes. I can't say it's an insurrection, because there simply aren't enough numbers for that. I'm not the slightest bit concerned that a real insurrection will occur.

I actually do think he's in denial, but that doesn't really matter. Either way he shouldn't be doing this, and it's very bad.

Still, anyone who kept quiet or supported the BLM riots doesn't really have a right to bitch here. On the same note, anyone who bashed the BLM riots and is supporting this, is just as bad.

Both the BLM/Antifa riots and today's riots involved a violent group of people attempting to strongarm the government and the people into doing what they wanted. Two sides of the same coin.

[Dan Druff]

Gotta be something more to it

WE have trump
trump doesn't care about america
trump doesn't actually care about the "cause"
trump doesnt care about the people who support him
trump only cares about trump
trump doesnt even want the job of being president obviously

why on gods earth would trump do what he is doing and not just go ahead and retire to a real nice life in florida?

so what are his motives?

Keep himself out of jail? Ehh unlikely as he surely knows that isn't going to happen
His full tax returns released? Ehh doubt he cares too much about that


someone somewhere has to have something real real REAL bad on him and in his eyes to only way to make it go away is of he remains president


maybe it's something epstein related or something like that

I used to watch David Letterman back in the day. Late 80s I guess. And I used to always wonder why Trump was constantly showing up to get his face on the telly... with DL relentlessly taking the piss.

This is when I first figured he's genuinely a narcissist. All he cares about is being the centre of attention.

BTW David Letterman wasn't pretending, he strongly dislikes him.

Yes, Trump is a narccisist. This has been clear for decades.

[big dick]

I used to watch David Letterman back in the day. Late 80s I guess. And I used to always wonder why Trump was constantly showing up to get his face on the telly... with DL relentlessly taking the piss.

This is when I first figured he's genuinely a narcissist. All he cares about is being the centre of attention.

BTW David Letterman wasn't pretending, he strongly dislikes him.

Yes, Trump is a narccisist. This has been clear for decades.

yet you still voted for him twice