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    Quote Originally Posted by garrett View Post
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    The millennials will get their student loans forgiven. Their payday loans too. $600 check. Chicken tenders on Tuesdays. Mom makes great meat loaf.


    Yeah, I’m still thinking the future of the conservative movement are yet to be born.

    Just want to stay on point and keep ya all properly triggered.

    Well im not a millennial at 41, im actually a Gen-X'r. Not that I care, but I am starting to hear more and more that Democrats feel that if the Government say even paid 50k a student it would clear a ton of peoples debt, and they would be able to then spend that money properly on their own lives and therefore be putting it back into our Economy on the whole, even if it is done indirectly.

    So the whole idea, beyond the idea everyone should pay what they owe mentality, this has real merit. And I think one way or another we actually may end up with a 1-3 Trillion dollar bill of sorts, the essentially forgives a significant portion of peoples student debt. I think overall it would benefit the Economy, and allow people to use that money elsewhere in their lives, then pay lol juiced fill bank fed student loans. Time will tell, but im a big believer in thinking that we are actually on our way to relieving student debt from peoples backs, and it nothing more 50k a Student at least. It would help people for sure too....
    Because the moral hazard.

    People need to hear the horror stories of the people who went 100K into the hole for a basket weaving degree. The Government sweeps that away and the universities keep the sticker price at 40K a year and the financiers will loaning out the $$. We need kids to start saying No to basket weaving so that Universities start to cut the cost of those degrees from 40K to 10K. Financiers need to have the risk they took up at low interest blow up on them so they know hading over that type of money for a basket weaving education is a bad financial decision.

    This is how the market works. The government jumping in is how the market can’t correct its self.

     
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      garrett: " people who went 100K into the hole for a basket weaving degree"- oh wow hilarious, and so true of course...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daly View Post
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    Well im not a millennial at 41, im actually a Gen-X'r. Not that I care, but I am starting to hear more and more that Democrats feel that if the Government say even paid 50k a student it would clear a ton of peoples debt, and they would be able to then spend that money properly on their own lives and therefore be putting it back into our Economy on the whole, even if it is done indirectly.

    So the whole idea, beyond the idea everyone should pay what they owe mentality, this has real merit. And I think one way or another we actually may end up with a 1-3 Trillion dollar bill of sorts, the essentially forgives a significant portion of peoples student debt. I think overall it would benefit the Economy, and allow people to use that money elsewhere in their lives, then pay lol juiced fill bank fed student loans. Time will tell, but im a big believer in thinking that we are actually on our way to relieving student debt from peoples backs, and it nothing more 50k a Student at least. It would help people for sure too....
    Because the moral hazard.

    People need to hear the horror stories of the people who went 100K into the hole for a basket weaving degree. The Government sweeps that away and the universities keep the sticker price at 40K a year and the financiers will loaning out the $$. We need kids to start saying No to basket weaving so that Universities start to cut the cost of those degrees from 40K to 10K. Financiers need to have the risk they took up at low interest blow up on them so they know hading over that type of money for a basket weaving education is a bad financial decision.

    This is how the market works. The government jumping in is how the market can’t correct its self.
    How you feel about the last 8 months?

    Your government has never been even remotely hands-off, but this year it has burned about as much money they did in the last decade.

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    Again, that defense bill passed with a supermajority. If he tries to veto this, it's going to be overridden. Not only is that embarrassing, but it creates unnecessary strife with senate Republicans.

    MEANWHILE



    McConnell is rightfully concerned that contesting any state's EVs in congress will make Republicans look bad. Again, it's unnecessary strife and accomplishes nothing but signaling their disloyalty to the president. There are MILLIONS of Trump fanatics that are more loyal to their leader than to the party. This is going to piss them off even more.

    And it seems that at the very least, Rand Paul is going to be a pain in McConnell's ass


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    Quote Originally Posted by gimmick View Post
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    Because the moral hazard.

    People need to hear the horror stories of the people who went 100K into the hole for a basket weaving degree. The Government sweeps that away and the universities keep the sticker price at 40K a year and the financiers will loaning out the $$. We need kids to start saying No to basket weaving so that Universities start to cut the cost of those degrees from 40K to 10K. Financiers need to have the risk they took up at low interest blow up on them so they know hading over that type of money for a basket weaving education is a bad financial decision.

    This is how the market works. The government jumping in is how the market can’t correct its self.
    How you feel about the last 8 months?

    Your government has never been even remotely hands-off, but this year it has burned about as much money they did in the last decade.
    It’s a fair question if I understand the premise of it. The USA did jump in to save the markets and business in general but not our students.

    Corona is a one time event (we hope). The step in from Fed/Govt is a one time event. The higher education Situation is permanent, we would be right back in it in ten years unless we handed out free college.

    The better question in my mind is should they have jumped in around 2008? That wasn’t a one time event that was years of market malfeasance. The answer here is we chose to act and now are pot committed to act and not let the whole system come crashing down.

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    Again, this is probably more appropriate for the Democrat Civil War thread, but the left is certainly not united on student loan debt forgiveness. A lot of liberals see it as a handout that largely benefits affluent white people.

    Interestingly, I saw Druff on Twitter making the same argument. He may even have implied that working class Americans should be helped first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by garrett View Post


    Well im not a millennial at 41, im actually a Gen-X'r. Not that I care, but I am starting to hear more and more that Democrats feel that if the Government say even paid 50k a student it would clear a ton of peoples debt, and they would be able to then spend that money properly on their own lives and therefore be putting it back into our Economy on the whole, even if it is done indirectly.

    So the whole idea, beyond the idea everyone should pay what they owe mentality, this has real merit. And I think one way or another we actually may end up with a 1-3 Trillion dollar bill of sorts, the essentially forgives a significant portion of peoples student debt. I think overall it would benefit the Economy, and allow people to use that money elsewhere in their lives, then pay lol juiced fill bank fed student loans. Time will tell, but im a big believer in thinking that we are actually on our way to relieving student debt from peoples backs, and it nothing more 50k a Student at least. It would help people for sure too....
    Because the moral hazard.

    People need to hear the horror stories of the people who went 100K into the hole for a basket weaving degree. The Government sweeps that away and the universities keep the sticker price at 40K a year and the financiers will loaning out the $$. We need kids to start saying No to basket weaving so that Universities start to cut the cost of those degrees from 40K to 10K. Financiers need to have the risk they took up at low interest blow up on them so they know hading over that type of money for a basket weaving education is a bad financial decision.

    This is how the market works. The government jumping in is how the market can’t correct its self.

    You know this is actually a fascinating point, and a reality too.


    Some degrees or areas of study do actually reward more money over a period of time (life) then some other degrees. So in some way, and it could be very broad and interesting actually. The probability (p) of a 'Bank' or loaner to a student borrower can actually have a probability/likelihood of this student borrower, being able to actually pay the money borrower back, (risk). You could certainly with some measure of expected incorrectness actually more then likely get a real idea, of who the good loans are and too, and for what as opposed to the dead end, low likelihood of paying your loan back crowd. You could actually apply real math to this for sure, and its probably already being done for all I would know lol...

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    i appreciate the moral hazard angle and agree that this is an important thing but as i see it, shoring up the fabric of society takes precedence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Sanchez View Post
    Again, this is probably more appropriate for the Democrat Civil War thread, but the left is certainly not united on student loan debt forgiveness. A lot of liberals see it as a handout that largely benefits affluent white people.

    Interestingly, I saw Druff on Twitter making the same argument. He may even have implied that working class Americans should be helped first.

    in fairness who else is going to donate to the freerolls?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by gimmick View Post

    How you feel about the last 8 months?

    Your government has never been even remotely hands-off, but this year it has burned about as much money they did in the last decade.
    It’s a fair question if I understand the premise of it. The USA did jump in to save the markets and business in general but not our students.

    Corona is a one time event (we hope). The step in from Fed/Govt is a one time event. The higher education Situation is permanent, we would be right back in it in ten years unless we handed out free college.

    The better question in my mind is should they have jumped in around 2008? That wasn’t a one time event that was years of market malfeasance. The answer here is we chose to act and now are pot committed to act and not let the whole system come crashing down.
    Yea you got the gist of it. I'm not too fond of the let markets sort them out any more than i'm let the nature take it's course type of phrases. Essentially we can do better and we have almost always meddled one way or another.

    2008 set the precedent and 2020 is a ramped up version of it. And it's was and is almost every country. All of it's very much uncharted waters. We have no idea of the ramifications. Running theme is though if there's any backlash in all likelihood all of it falls on the millennials. We're just passing debt on them that they never spent. We're quite literally gambling with their future.

    Different forms of corporate socialism has been the norm for minute now and it's gotten out hand in the last 8 months.

    Giving shit to millennials for a few trillions when you've essentially dumped debt ten times as much to them seems a bit iffy.

    Oh and if i had any say then some form of free education would be preferable to forgiving debt.

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    Out of 2008 things, too big to fail and austerity. Fairly sure everyone relevant understands that austerity is a horrible idea. Too big to fail on the other hand. Well no one learned anything from that. The big dogs are bigger than ever and banks are even more leveraged.

    Apparently this time around the entire S&P 500 was too big to fail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gimmick View Post
    Apparently this time around the entire S&P 500 was too big to fail.
    which reminds me, i need to line up some tsla calls tomorrow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Sanchez View Post


    Again, that defense bill passed with a supermajority. If he tries to veto this, it's going to be overridden. Not only is that embarrassing, but it creates unnecessary strife with senate Republicans.

    MEANWHILE



    McConnell is rightfully concerned that contesting any state's EVs in congress will make Republicans look bad. Again, it's unnecessary strife and accomplishes nothing but signaling their disloyalty to the president. There are MILLIONS of Trump fanatics that are more loyal to their leader than to the party. This is going to piss them off even more.

    And it seems that at the very least, Rand Paul is going to be a pain in McConnell's ass

    This will also force Congress to be in session in the week between Christmas and New Year's.

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    Amazon Has Turned a Middle-Class Warehouse Career Into a McJob

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/featu...oyees-homeless

    --This story seems germane to the topic currently being discussed. As a side note I actually applied to an Amazon driver job once when I was feeling desperate. I got a call back later that same day and was pretty much offered a job over the phone. But it was to work 10 hr days for $16/hr, and I realized I wasn't that desperate (at least not yet) so I passed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalam View Post
    Amazon Has Turned a Middle-Class Warehouse Career Into a McJob

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/featu...oyees-homeless

    --This story seems germane to the topic currently being discussed. As a side note I actually applied to an Amazon driver job once when I was feeling desperate. I got a call back later that same day and was pretty much offered a job over the phone. But it was to work 10 hr days for $16/hr, and I realized I wasn't that desperate (at least not yet) so I passed.
    It’s funny. I have a friend who started a third party logistics company that only delivers Amazon. That’s how they do it at their smaller sorting centers. None of their own drivers.

    So I spent like a week checking it out because he wanted me to get involved. It’s a rather small investment as Amazon subsidizes your fleet with no interest loans and other perks. Cheaper than paying benefits. It was a big mess as they were expanding so quickly they didn’t have enough Amazon branded trucks and had dudes in Uhauls up in these desolate parts of West Virgina where they had literal grass roads.

    I had to sign up for like a distinct amazon account through a different email to see his routes and the way shit worked. I used my regular phone number though.

    This was like 2 years ago. I took a pass. They built some huge facility outside Pittsburgh now. Town called Imperial, which despite living in Pittsburgh for over a decade, I haven’t a clue where it’s at.

    What I do know is I started getting a text every day from Alexa asking if I wanted a job. Then the texts from Alexa asking me why I haven’t responded to their email job offer, when I literally couldn’t guess what email I created for $1 million.

    Amazon is amazing in that you can’t get anyone on the phone or reply to anything as it’s all automated. It’s not like a text where you can type STOP. It got comical, while annoying. It went on for months. They must have been unable to fill the jobs locally if they were beating down doors in my area, as wherever that town is, it must be at least 60 miles away.

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    The cost of a college education started skyrocketing when the student loans became so easy to get. Tuitions and Academic salaries started soaring. And of course a lot of kids came out with useless degree's and under a ton of debt. And in running this scam the academics brainwashed the kids into believing socialism is the way to go. These academics took the easy student loan money (a capitalist move) to enrich themselves but taught the kids socialism. Dirty bastards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kalam View Post
    Amazon Has Turned a Middle-Class Warehouse Career Into a McJob

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/featu...oyees-homeless

    --This story seems germane to the topic currently being discussed. As a side note I actually applied to an Amazon driver job once when I was feeling desperate. I got a call back later that same day and was pretty much offered a job over the phone. But it was to work 10 hr days for $16/hr, and I realized I wasn't that desperate (at least not yet) so I passed.
    It’s funny. I have a friend who started a third party logistics company that only delivers Amazon. That’s how they do it at their smaller sorting centers. None of their own drivers.

    So I spent like a week checking it out because he wanted me to get involved. It’s a rather small investment as Amazon subsidizes your fleet with no interest loans and other perks. Cheaper than paying benefits. It was a big mess as they were expanding so quickly they didn’t have enough Amazon branded trucks and had dudes in Uhauls up in these desolate parts of West Virgina where they had literal grass roads.

    I had to sign up for like a distinct amazon account through a different email to see his routes and the way shit worked. I used my regular phone number though.

    This was like 2 years ago. I took a pass. They built some huge facility outside Pittsburgh now. Town called Imperial, which despite living in Pittsburgh for over a decade, I haven’t a clue where it’s at.

    What I do know is I started getting a text every day from Alexa asking if I wanted a job. Then the texts from Alexa asking me why I haven’t responded to their email job offer, when I literally couldn’t guess what email I created for $1 million.

    Amazon is amazing in that you can’t get anyone on the phone or reply to anything as it’s all automated. It’s not like a text where you can type STOP. It got comical, while annoying. It went on for months. They must have been unable to fill the jobs locally if they were beating down doors in my area, as wherever that town is, it must be at least 60 miles away.

    Amazon is compartmentalizing the retail sector and shopping.


    Like we never have seen before. Is it imaginable that its actually better for you, deal wise, selection wise to shop and be able to do it all from home. It seems the trend is actually moving toward more Amazon, shopping from your own home, then not actually. I think the trend is actually more in that direction and away from the Brick and Mortar's, no wonder Macys is almost gone. So its defiantly a changing game and Amazon is the one changing the entire game too actually.

     
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    I was responding to Kalam, but to get thread back on track, I’ll post link from five hours ago I didn’t read. Thomas wants us to keep this right on right bloodshed, which I approve of.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the...connell/tnamp/

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    On Monday, when the Electoral College met, Stephen Miller went on Fox News to say the Trump campaign would somehow submit “an alternate slate of electors” and fight to overturn the election results all the way up to January 20.

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    has anyone noticed how garrett's suddenly an absurdly good poster?
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    It’s time for Rick to get back to his trolling roots.

    I have been referring to Trump as OTT, for one term Trump trolling my local Trumpster friends. It gets under their skin.

    You should lay down a track with the old Naughty by Nature classic.

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