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    Real talk......

    Can you Republicucks stop hoarding ammunition? A box of 9mm is fucking 60 dollars right now.

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    Real talk......

    Can you Republicucks stop hoarding ammunition? A box of 9mm is fucking 60 dollars right now.

    Yessssss....love it. Demand keeps going up. Remember to only buy Smith and Wesson products though

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    Why go with the first Obama term? The closest comparison is between the last 2 Presidential terms.

    Ignoring the final year because of the unprecedented COVID situation is totally reasonable. That's not "cherry picking". This massive spending in 2020 would have occurred under any President.
    Going with Obama's first term is the only one that makes Trump look "good".

    There's no reason to ignore the final year when we know what the projected budget was. That 4.8% figure is just that. Covid changed it to 17% or something in that ballpark.

    The takeaway is Trump wasn't on track to lower deficit even without covid. If you want to erase 2020 because reasons the average deficit is still bigger for Trump's 3 years vs Obama's 4 years.
    We are dealing with the same range here between him and Obama. Modern US government has been doing deficit spending. This isn't a feature of Trump.

    Sure, Trump made some promises about it, but he didn't center his campaign around deficits, and honestly he kept or attempted to keep more promises than any modern President.

    Even if you want to deny all of the above, you're getting way off the rails from my original claim to Sanlmar -- that Trump governed in a similar fashion (minus his personality issues) to the way other modern Republican Presidents would have.

    Even today, with many Republicans unhappy with him (myself included), you're not seeing attacks on his policy -- only his behavior.

    You may not agree with Trump's policy, but it was pretty standard 2010s GOP. At the same time, he was able to keep us out of any new wars, and his foreign policy decisions basically worked out.

    It's easy to rewrite Trump's history as President because of the way it ended, and because of his troubled personality. It's similar to how people are rewriting Guiliani's glorious history in NYC, because of his embarrassing recent behavior as a senile Trump lackey.

    Trump was a pleasant surprise to me regarding how he governed. Many of my quiet fears didn't come true, and many good things I didn't expect actually happened. Unfortunately, he did live up to my fears about his behavior, and in the past 2 months, he exceeded them.


    just fyi, you're a complete embarrassment for ever supporting him. the fact that you only now realize that maybe trump's a psycho is just so sad and yet so predictable.

    you're like lindsey graham and bill barr and, now that the trump era is over, you can come out and "be brave" and say that what trump is doing is wrong. just fucking lol

    you voted for someone you believe has a serious personality disorder. there's no rationalizing that. you should be humiliated by it

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by blake View Post
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    Going with Obama's first term is the only one that makes Trump look "good".

    There's no reason to ignore the final year when we know what the projected budget was. That 4.8% figure is just that. Covid changed it to 17% or something in that ballpark.

    The takeaway is Trump wasn't on track to lower deficit even without covid. If you want to erase 2020 because reasons the average deficit is still bigger for Trump's 3 years vs Obama's 4 years.
    We are dealing with the same range here between him and Obama. Modern US government has been doing deficit spending. This isn't a feature of Trump.

    Sure, Trump made some promises about it, but he didn't center his campaign around deficits, and honestly he kept or attempted to keep more promises than any modern President.

    Even if you want to deny all of the above, you're getting way off the rails from my original claim to Sanlmar -- that Trump governed in a similar fashion (minus his personality issues) to the way other modern Republican Presidents would have.

    Even today, with many Republicans unhappy with him (myself included), you're not seeing attacks on his policy -- only his behavior.

    You may not agree with Trump's policy, but it was pretty standard 2010s GOP. At the same time, he was able to keep us out of any new wars, and his foreign policy decisions basically worked out.

    It's easy to rewrite Trump's history as President because of the way it ended, and because of his troubled personality. It's similar to how people are rewriting Guiliani's glorious history in NYC, because of his embarrassing recent behavior as a senile Trump lackey.

    Trump was a pleasant surprise to me regarding how he governed. Many of my quiet fears didn't come true, and many good things I didn't expect actually happened. Unfortunately, he did live up to my fears about his behavior, and in the past 2 months, he exceeded them.


    just fyi, you're a complete embarrassment for ever supporting him. the fact that you only now realize that maybe trump's a psycho is just so sad and yet so predictable.

    you're like lindsey graham and bill barr and, now that the trump era is over, you can come out and "be brave" and say that what trump is doing is wrong. just fucking lol

    you voted for someone you believe has a serious personality disorder. there's no rationalizing that. you should be humiliated by it
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    OSA: dont think it was as evident as it is now


    but there are hundreds, maybe thousands of posts on this very site where we pointed out in pornographic detail exactly how mentally unstable trump was, he's been diagnosed many times over by actual whole assed psychologists.

    for years.

    none of this was some left field shocker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    OSA: dont think it was as evident as it is now


    but there are hundreds, maybe thousands of posts on this very site where we pointed out in pornographic detail exactly how mentally unstable trump was, he's been diagnosed many times over by actual whole assed psychologists.

    for years.

    none of this was some left field shocker.

    I feel when you aren't a politician or hold office, you are held to a different standard and can say things that normally would be diagnosed as such.

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    wait wait wait.

    can someone with parler confirm this is real?


    because imagine.. if you will... _dying_ for donald trump literally, and then having this get posted about you.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by blake View Post
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    Going with Obama's first term is the only one that makes Trump look "good".

    There's no reason to ignore the final year when we know what the projected budget was. That 4.8% figure is just that. Covid changed it to 17% or something in that ballpark.

    The takeaway is Trump wasn't on track to lower deficit even without covid. If you want to erase 2020 because reasons the average deficit is still bigger for Trump's 3 years vs Obama's 4 years.
    We are dealing with the same range here between him and Obama. Modern US government has been doing deficit spending. This isn't a feature of Trump.

    Sure, Trump made some promises about it, but he didn't center his campaign around deficits, and honestly he kept or attempted to keep more promises than any modern President.

    Even if you want to deny all of the above, you're getting way off the rails from my original claim to Sanlmar -- that Trump governed in a similar fashion (minus his personality issues) to the way other modern Republican Presidents would have.

    Even today, with many Republicans unhappy with him (myself included), you're not seeing attacks on his policy -- only his behavior.

    You may not agree with Trump's policy, but it was pretty standard 2010s GOP. At the same time, he was able to keep us out of any new wars, and his foreign policy decisions basically worked out.

    It's easy to rewrite Trump's history as President because of the way it ended, and because of his troubled personality. It's similar to how people are rewriting Guiliani's glorious history in NYC, because of his embarrassing recent behavior as a senile Trump lackey.

    Trump was a pleasant surprise to me regarding how he governed. Many of my quiet fears didn't come true, and many good things I didn't expect actually happened. Unfortunately, he did live up to my fears about his behavior, and in the past 2 months, he exceeded them.


    just fyi, you're a complete embarrassment for ever supporting him. the fact that you only now realize that maybe trump's a psycho is just so sad and yet so predictable.

    you're like lindsey graham and bill barr and, now that the trump era is over, you can come out and "be brave" and say that what trump is doing is wrong. just fucking lol

    you voted for someone you believe has a serious personality disorder. there's no rationalizing that. you should be humiliated by it
    I stated in 2015 that I had lots of concerns about his personality and didn't support him. I also refused to vote for him in 2016. This is all well documented here.

    I did like how he governed from 2017-19, though I wasn't happy with his personal behavior. Still was far better than the alternative. Hillary was just as shady, but would have gone along with the left wing of her party a lot more than you probably think. Policy-wise, there's no question I would have preferred Trump, even in hindsight.

    In 2020, he didn't do a great job with COVID, but neither would any Democrat. Hillary's messaging would have been better, but recall that Democrats spent all of February whining about xenophobia, and telling us that's worse than the virus. I can pull up tweets from incoming Biden Administration guys if you want.

    The "if we had only worn masks, we'd be way better off" is bullshit, because the people refusing to wear masks aren't really doing so because Trump wouldn't. But even if Trump could have made more masking happen, COVID spread is far more complicated than just masking, hence why mask-compliant places like California are getting hit hard now, and mask-resistant places like Norway are not. It's not just "wear a mask, you're safe". Social distancing and staying home is far more important than masking, so if you wear a mask but then believe it entitles you to go out and do stuff, you're actually worsening the problem.

    Bottom line is that Trump didn't really fuck up anything major until the final two months -- when he wouldn't accept the loss, and pushed nonsense conspiracy theories, eventually resulting in what happened on January 6. I realized that this sort of thing was a risk to happen, but since you only get two choices for President, in 2020 I still voted for the one I'd rather see in office.

    I was never a MAGA guy, and I was critical of Trump here both before and after he was elected. I was also supportive of him when I felt he deserved support or defense from unfair criticism. I'm not one of the staunch MAGA guys who jumped ship a few days ago, and you know it.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    I stated in 2015 that I had lots of concerns about his personality and didn't support him. I also refused to vote for him in 2016. This is all well documented here.

    I did like how he governed from 2017-19, though I wasn't happy with his personal behavior. Still was far better than the alternative. Hillary was just as shady, but would have gone along with the left wing of her party a lot more than you probably think. Policy-wise, there's no question I would have preferred Trump, even in hindsight.

    In 2020, he didn't do a great job with COVID, but neither would any Democrat. Hillary's messaging would have been better, but recall that Democrats spent all of February whining about xenophobia, and telling us that's worse than the virus. I can pull up tweets from incoming Biden Administration guys if you want.

    The "if we had only worn masks, we'd be way better off" is bullshit, because the people refusing to wear masks aren't really doing so because Trump wouldn't. But even if Trump could have made more masking happen, COVID spread is far more complicated than just masking, hence why mask-compliant places like California are getting hit hard now, and mask-resistant places like Norway are not. It's not just "wear a mask, you're safe". Social distancing and staying home is far more important than masking, so if you wear a mask but then believe it entitles you to go out and do stuff, you're actually worsening the problem.

    Bottom line is that Trump didn't really fuck up anything major until the final two months -- when he wouldn't accept the loss, and pushed nonsense conspiracy theories, eventually resulting in what happened on January 6. I realized that this sort of thing was a risk to happen, but since you only get two choices for President, in 2020 I still voted for the one I'd rather see in office.

    I was never a MAGA guy, and I was critical of Trump here both before and after he was elected. I was also supportive of him when I felt he deserved support or defense from unfair criticism. I'm not one of the staunch MAGA guys who jumped ship a few days ago, and you know it.
    You can't be serious.

    Trump has been fucking things up since day one.

    You need to read this book.

    https://www.amazon.com/Indisputable-.../dp/B07DWFH672



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
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    We are dealing with the same range here between him and Obama. Modern US government has been doing deficit spending. This isn't a feature of Trump.

    Sure, Trump made some promises about it, but he didn't center his campaign around deficits, and honestly he kept or attempted to keep more promises than any modern President.

    Even if you want to deny all of the above, you're getting way off the rails from my original claim to Sanlmar -- that Trump governed in a similar fashion (minus his personality issues) to the way other modern Republican Presidents would have.

    Even today, with many Republicans unhappy with him (myself included), you're not seeing attacks on his policy -- only his behavior.

    You may not agree with Trump's policy, but it was pretty standard 2010s GOP. At the same time, he was able to keep us out of any new wars, and his foreign policy decisions basically worked out.

    It's easy to rewrite Trump's history as President because of the way it ended, and because of his troubled personality. It's similar to how people are rewriting Guiliani's glorious history in NYC, because of his embarrassing recent behavior as a senile Trump lackey.

    Trump was a pleasant surprise to me regarding how he governed. Many of my quiet fears didn't come true, and many good things I didn't expect actually happened. Unfortunately, he did live up to my fears about his behavior, and in the past 2 months, he exceeded them.


    just fyi, you're a complete embarrassment for ever supporting him. the fact that you only now realize that maybe trump's a psycho is just so sad and yet so predictable.

    you're like lindsey graham and bill barr and, now that the trump era is over, you can come out and "be brave" and say that what trump is doing is wrong. just fucking lol

    you voted for someone you believe has a serious personality disorder. there's no rationalizing that. you should be humiliated by it
    I stated in 2015 that I had lots of concerns about his personality and didn't support him. I also refused to vote for him in 2016. This is all well documented here.
    Honestly makes voting for him after four years of complete retardation and authoritarianism tendencies even more humiliating.

    Every single sign was readily there that he was a mentally unstable racist lunatic, especially after four years.

    Shame.
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    lol at certain idiots here saying that I'm a hypocritical MAGA guy jumping off the train when convenient

    I only...

    - Bashed Trump during the 2015/2016 primary season, and said I dreaded him being the nominee

    - Sat out the 2016 Prez election by voting for a third party candidate in protest to liking neither

    - Was derided as a RINO by various Trump supporters over the last 5 years

    - Repeatedly criticized Trump's behavior on Twitter and when he said/did stupid things

    - Repeatedly criticized a lot of his actions during COVID, including his messaging

    - Immediately stated that I felt Biden won at the same time Democrats and the media were claiming it

    - Stated the entire time that the "stolen election" stuff was BS, and sharply criticized Trump for going that route


    So how am I a MAGA guy again? Go through my posting history here and my radio shows with political segments, and you'll see/hear all of the above.

    The reason a lot of you don't remember this stuff is because I also spent a lot of time defending Trump when he deserved defending -- basically when the dishonest left-wing media constantly trashed him and warped anything he did to be evil.

    However, when he did or said something stupid, I never denied it. In fact, when I agreed Trump was wrong, then the libs here screamed, "THEN HOW COME YOU STILL SUPPORT HIM???????", as if I was just supposed to abruptly switch my politics to the other side, rum dick style (RIP).

    Basically nobody here was going to be happy unless I renounced all of my conservative views and joined the glorious, sensitive left.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    lol at certain idiots here saying that I'm a hypocritical MAGA guy jumping off the train when convenient

    I only...

    - Bashed Trump during the 2015/2016 primary season, and said I dreaded him being the nominee

    - Sat out the 2016 Prez election by voting for a third party candidate in protest to liking neither

    - Was derided as a RINO by various Trump supporters over the last 5 years

    - Repeatedly criticized Trump's behavior on Twitter and when he said/did stupid things

    - Repeatedly criticized a lot of his actions during COVID, including his messaging

    - Immediately stated that I felt Biden won at the same time Democrats and the media were claiming it

    - Stated the entire time that the "stolen election" stuff was BS, and sharply criticized Trump for going that route


    So how am I a MAGA guy again? Go through my posting history here and my radio shows with political segments, and you'll see/hear all of the above.

    The reason a lot of you don't remember this stuff is because I also spent a lot of time defending Trump when he deserved defending -- basically when the dishonest left-wing media constantly trashed him and warped anything he did to be evil.

    However, when he did or said something stupid, I never denied it. In fact, when I agreed Trump was wrong, then the libs here screamed, "THEN HOW COME YOU STILL SUPPORT HIM???????", as if I was just supposed to abruptly switch my politics to the other side, rum dick style (RIP).

    Basically nobody here was going to be happy unless I renounced all of my conservative views and joined the glorious, sensitive left.
    Afyer being too distasteful for you in 2016, he racked up 100+ more unconscionable, indefensible decisions, thereby earning your vote.

    You voted for an authoritarian lunatic who just commandeered an army of retards to overthrow the government and has decimated your party.
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    Sorry, but most of his decisions pre-COVID were very standard Republican fare for the late 2010s.

    This is why Never Trump GOP types only attacked his behavior, not his policy.

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    Also how is Team Retard feeling about labeling every insane remark and unhinged decision as TDS and Orange Man Bad?

    Aged rather poorly post-GOP team Retard terrorist coup attempt?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Sorry, but most of his decisions pre-COVID were very standard Republican fare for the late 2010s.

    This is why Never Trump GOP types only attacked his behavior, not his policy.
    You never saw this coming. Many did.

    There were no policy decisions worth this price or the damage to the party.

    I voted for him and was mortified this year and spoke out. Much louder than you
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Sorry, but most of his decisions pre-COVID were very standard Republican fare for the late 2010s.

    This is why Never Trump GOP types only attacked his behavior, not his policy.
    You never saw this coming. Many did.

    There were no policy decisions worth this price or the damage to the party.

    I voted for him and was mortified this year and spoke out. Much louder than you
    When have you spoken out against the left in the past few years?

    Seems to me you just switched sides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post

    You never saw this coming. Many did.

    There were no policy decisions worth this price or the damage to the party.

    I voted for him and was mortified this year and spoke out. Much louder than you
    When have you spoken out against the left in the past few years?

    Seems to me you just switched sides.
    The left was pretty well covered here in an extreme way. AOC and all that just is what it’s is.

    My alarm lay with Trump. I had fun trying to amp up your concern. It was the easier and more rewarding play tbh in the context of PFA

    This ain’t the tea party, for instance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post

    You never saw this coming. Many did.

    There were no policy decisions worth this price or the damage to the party.

    I voted for him and was mortified this year and spoke out. Much louder than you
    When have you spoken out against the left in the past few years?

    Seems to me you just switched sides.
    you just don't get it.

    a normal person who recognizes trump is a sociopath wouldn't constantly whatabout when faced with trump's insanity. not every critique of trump needs a qualification about the left. if you think that we need equal time to bash the left when trump is literally trying to destroy the country, i just don't know what to say.

    your standard canned response to any trump criticism is "i have said many times i disapprove of what trump did. that being said, the left..."

    it's really nauseating

    you are the worst kind of enabler for team retard. you are just constantly deflecting for him

    as recent as a couple of weeks ago, you were totally dismissive of trump's rants that the election was "stolen" from him -- even mocking liberals for being outraged about it.

    jesus did that age poorly

    absolutely nothing changed in his rhetoric since that time, but suddenly that same behavior is a bridge too far for you.

    just what the fuck

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Sorry, but most of his decisions pre-COVID were very standard Republican fare for the late 2010s.

    This is why Never Trump GOP types only attacked his behavior, not his policy.
    Were Trump’s decisions to repeatedly obstruct justice before and during the Mueller probe “very standard Republican fare”?

    And what about Trump’s repeatedly siding and defending the actions of a major hostile government against the advice and warnings of the US government’s highly experienced intelligence community regarding the threat that hostile government posed?

    And what about Trump’s corrupt attempt to extort support from a key foreign ally to manufacture political dirt on a key political opponent by withholding highly important Congressionally-mandated foreign aid when that ally was in the middle of a war with that key hostile foreign government?

    And what Trump’s repeated attempts to cover up that corrupt act, including attempting to influence and intimidate witnesses, as well as punish them professionally as soon as it was politically safe to do so?

    And what about Trump using the power of his position as POTUS to channel hundreds of millions of dollars of government expenditures to his family’s businesses, including getting the Air Force to change where it stops overseas for refueling on some military flights so that one of his golf resorts gets a boost in business?

    All just “very standard Republican fare”?

     
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