The woke left is a cult

[Dan Druff]

I think I see the disconnect here, though.

Trump acts more like a cult leader, but his supporters don't really act in a cultish manner. They don't isolate from others, they don't punish the heretics, they don't commit acts of violence in the name of their cult.

The woke left acts like a group of cult followers (see original post), but with no clear leader.

So it's much easier to call MAGA types cultists, since they have an identifiable leader they follow. However, the behavior itself from the woke left is MUCH more cult-like, and even some liberals are waking up to this (though apparently not on this forum, sadly).

On October 8, 2020, the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) announced the arrests of 13 suspects accused of plotting to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer, the Governor of Michigan

Most of these guys were anarchists who hated Trump (and all government).

Also, these are 13 people.

I'm talking about a massive number of woke lefties today, not a few crazy outliers.

[limitles]

On October 8, 2020, the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) announced the arrests of 13 suspects accused of plotting to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer, the Governor of Michigan

Most of these guys were anarchists who hated Trump (and all government).

Also, these are 13 people.

I'm talking about a massive number of woke lefties today, not a few crazy outliers.

"They don't punish the heretics... "they don't commit acts of violence in the name of their cult"

First of all, cults are not so interested in punishing heretics. They don't make it to that stage typically, so just drop the dogma

Fervent supporters on the other hand have been know to commit acts of violence for their ideology

[Walter Sobchak]

I think I see the disconnect here, though.

Trump acts more like a cult leader, but his supporters don't really act in a cultish manner. They don't isolate from others, they don't punish the heretics, they don't commit acts of violence in the name of their cult.

The woke left acts like a group of cult followers (see original post), but with no clear leader.

So it's much easier to call MAGA types cultists, since they have an identifiable leader they follow. However, the behavior itself from the woke left is MUCH more cult-like, and even some liberals are waking up to this (though apparently not on this forum, sadly).

Have you been asleep this year?

[MumblesBadly]

Maybe? It’s a far bigger cult on the right. Not even close. I could provide better examples for each of those traits listed on the right. And I could do it without having to look hard, as it’s the damn near majority of your current party. I giggled at Bart, a conservative, kind of going quiet after he pointed that out to you the other night. The MAGA cult wiped the floor with traditional conservatives and the traditional GOP trembles in fear of offending dear leader. The woke left can’t even get a cabinet appointment after a won election. Night and day as to their influence.

Druff has to amplify the threat the “woke left” is to the country while ignoring how the guy he voted to keep as POTUS for another term has repeatedly tried to subvert the Constitution for his personal and political benefit.

[Dan Druff]

I think I see the disconnect here, though.

Trump acts more like a cult leader, but his supporters don't really act in a cultish manner. They don't isolate from others, they don't punish the heretics, they don't commit acts of violence in the name of their cult.

The woke left acts like a group of cult followers (see original post), but with no clear leader.

So it's much easier to call MAGA types cultists, since they have an identifiable leader they follow. However, the behavior itself from the woke left is MUCH more cult-like, and even some liberals are waking up to this (though apparently not on this forum, sadly).

Have you been asleep this year?

Have you?

You don't actually believe that the right has been cancelling and committing violence more often than the left in 2020, do you?

Please tell me you don't really believe that.

[Dan Druff]

Maybe? It’s a far bigger cult on the right. Not even close. I could provide better examples for each of those traits listed on the right. And I could do it without having to look hard, as it’s the damn near majority of your current party. I giggled at Bart, a conservative, kind of going quiet after he pointed that out to you the other night. The MAGA cult wiped the floor with traditional conservatives and the traditional GOP trembles in fear of offending dear leader. The woke left can’t even get a cabinet appointment after a won election. Night and day as to their influence.

Druff has to amplify the threat the “woke left” is to the country while ignoring how the guy he voted to keep as POTUS for another term has repeatedly tried to subvert the Constitution for his personal and political benefit.

Trump will be out of office in 7 weeks.

The woke left will be a problem for this country for the next.... well, at least 7 years. Probably more.

[Dan Druff]

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https://twitter.com/charlesmblow/status/1330559029094047744


Gender parties are violence, guys!

NY Times columnist here, well respected by the Cult of Feelings. Totally logical stuff here.

THE PARTY OF SCIENCE!!!

[Dan Druff]

https://www.healthline.com/health/he...x#types-of-sex

This article on Heathline used to be called, "Do women like sex?", and you can still see that was the original title from the URL above. Then some SJWs complained that the article was only about cisgender women, and that women with penises were left out (as were men with vaginas).

So they changed it.

Guess what it is now?

"Do Vulva Owners like Sex?"




Not cultish at all. Totally normal, logical behavior here.

SCIENCE!!!!

[dwai]

https://www.healthline.com/health/he...x#types-of-sex

This article on Heathline used to be called, "Do women like sex?", and you can still see that was the original title from the URL above. Then some SJWs complained that the article was only about cisgender women, and that women with penises were left out (as were men with vaginas).

So they changed it.

Guess what it is now?

"Do Vulva Owners like Sex?"




Not cultish at all. Totally normal, logical behavior here.

SCIENCE!!!!

rofl @ pfa liberals

[RichardBrodiesCombover.]

God you're pathetic Toddler

[Walter Sobchak]

Druff, you claiming that the crazy wokest of the woke left represents all of the left/Democrats (more than half of the country) is like me saying that all people from LA are Jewish LHE pro radio hosts.

[Walter Sobchak]

Have you been asleep this year?

Have you?

You don't actually believe that the right has been cancelling and committing violence more often than the left in 2020, do you?

Please tell me you don't really believe that.

Both are eating their own. The Trump cultists are turning on solidly right-wing Republicans who dare to admit that Trump lost, and government officials doing their jobs and following the law, saying they are deep state traitors and should be killed.

Given that a tiny minority of this summer's protesters engaged in any violence, and that some were provocateurs from the right, it seems about equal. I don't see any leftists planning the violent overthrow of democratically elected governments though, as the Trump cultists are. (Michigan, suggestions of martial law to install Trump, etc.)

[BCR]

Once again, you defined cult in some weird way which also applies to the right. I don’t know any left or right wing people who spend a minute on twitter trying to cancel anything. They have zero effect on my life because I don’t give a fuck about some dorks on twitter other than to laugh at the occasional one, left or right.

You just made this post about the left being a cult at a time when we are witnessing the most insane personality cult in history on the right that is all about worshipping at the altar of Trump and total agreement with whatever he says, however idiotic.

That does affect my every day life as it’s a cult half the people I know have joined. You have nutjobs like split right here in the thread green repping you who think you are being manipulated into staying in your basement and wearing your mask. She thinks you’re an idiot being controlled by globalists while she isn’t. That’s your side. Those people live next door and all around me. They aren’t twenty something twitter people with a bunch of pronouns listed.

Your entire party leadership is afraid of offending his cult because they know it’s the real GOP. It’s the majority.

It actually is the same thing as your problems with the left, just 100x bigger. While Joe can’t come out and say these BLM protestors are idiots, he can say he’s against defunding the police and ignore them for any seats of power. These are people on the street or on twitter who are nutjobs. Completely unimportant.

The actual leader of your party is a nutjob. The leader of the GOP and the free world is on tv every day calling Brian Kemp and Doug Ducey enemies of the people, and saying the FBI and DOJ are working in tandem with Republican governors for some globalist agenda to defeat him. You want me to worry about some twitter clowns when the fucking President is the biggest cult leader and nutjob in the world? I mean, let’s get real. He’s the damn president and I’m supposed to get worked up by late shows I didn’t even know existed being mean.

None of my post was concerned about a few freaks on Twitter saying mean things to me. Obviously I can handle that, because I run a forum with freaks saying mean things to me every day.

I think your proximity to a lot of crazy MAGA types in Ohio has led to your opinion that they're a lot more dangerous and influential than they really are. At the end of the day, these are people with no power and no influence anywhere. They're also not trying to take tangible action against everyday human beings. No rioting, no looting, no arson, no attempt to get average people's careers ruined for something they said on Twitter in 2011.

I'm not kidding when I say that I wouldn't be able to freely express my political opinions on Twitter if I worked in Silicon Valley, or even for a major corporation outside of Silicon Valley. How can you think this isn't a problem for the average citizen? Why should regular Joes like me be afraid to state their political opinions on social media if they have a job? I'm not even talking about being political at work. I'm talking about how I'd probably have been fired from any Siilcon Valley software job if I kept my mouth shut while there, but tweeted my right wing politics while at home.

How about the intense pressure put upon corporations, where they've been browbeaten into allowing/supporting obnoxious woke messaging? Did you see what the 2020 NBA looked like? Dreadful. I don't mind actual left wing companies (like Ben 'n Jerry's) taking such positions, but in 2020 we had tons of apolitical corporations repeating the BLM messaging out of fear of consequences for not doing so.

So yes, this is far more than a few idiots on Twitter bitching at people, and yes, it affects everyday Americans.

If MAGA followers are such cultists, why don't we see much violence from them? Why aren't they chasing down left-wing speakers and silencing them? Why aren't they disowning friends and family who voted for Biden?

You only see this type of crazy behavior on the left, for the most part.

Remember all of the business owners boarding everything up on election day? They weren't doing it because they feared the consequences of a Biden win. That should tell you a lot.

That's what cults do. They cause their followers to isolate themselves from the non-believers and the doubters, even close friends and family. They justify violence and other harsh consequences against the heretics. They demand full ideological compliance -- not just from the leaders, but from all followers.

That's today's left. Today's MAGA right is more a dedicated group of followers who treat their leader like an infallible hero. That's not healthy either, but it's missing the cultist elements of isolation and punishing non-believers.

You live in one of the tiny blue dots in a sea of red. You’re an LA dude, thus overly concerned with how the entertainment industry portrays your political side. One of your dupes concerns yourself with Hollywood. This has long been a point of contention with you given where you live.

As I said, take this forum as an example as it’s broad cross section of the country. Who are the nutjobs that think Covid is a hoax, who keep thinking it’s a socialist global agenda, who are angry constantly and spam memes constantly when you don’t agree with them. It’s not left wing people. They’ll argue with you. They won’t spam every thread with the same unimaginative bullshit.

I don’t associate cults with violence. There have been violent cults, but the worlds biggest cults aren’t violent most often. They are generally centered around worshipping a charismatic individual who they follow completely. That’s MAGA. They are often about mind control and money. Anyone who has seen Trumps fundraising material would realize how it preys upon their emotional connection with him to ask for money from people who don’t have it. I can provide examples of a dozen but I’m sure you’ve seen them. That’s pure cult.

Like what about choice center was violent?

It was just whack, and the worlds largest cults are generally that way. They are about constantly changing their personal thoughts to conform with their leader. That’s pure MAGA. Someone like yourself went from a supply side free trade neo-con loving Republican to the polar opposite, because you liked his stance on owning liberals basically. He also gave you tax cuts and some traditional conservative shit, but his views on tariffs and trade are the exact opposite of what you always voted for.

But you’re not a true Trump cult guy. Not fully in.

It’s hard to be isolated from a cult so large that almost half the country joined. So it hasn’t created isolationism, it’s created family problems. I’ve never seen anyone divide families like Trump.

Take split, she said her Thanksgiving was ruined by her younger family members being indoctrinated by liberal schools. Clearly schools are liberal, but I’m sure they were aghast at their old aunt or whatever believing Mike Dewine is a secret socialist globalist working with Bill Gates to take over the world through forced vaccination. They rightfully see her as mentally ill, and that’s completely standard thinking among Trump people. Half a dozen others here have echoed the same ideas. That is more insane than the Choice Center by a mile.

If almost half the country signed up for your same insane cult, no one would be isolated.

You concede Trump acts like a cult leader, but you somehow ignore how insane your fellow Trump voters are. If Micon was following some leader who was saying a bunch of republican governors were working with the Chinese Communists and Hugo Chavez to overthrow the election, you’d make a thread about how he’s lost his mind. A large portion of your party feels this way, yet somehow you don’t find their thoughts crazy.

MAGA is a full on cult.

Cults do other things. They do this which I borrowed.

Information control

They practice deception (by deliberately withholding or distorting information, and/or lying).
They minimize or discourage access to non-cult sources of information (TV, internet, former members, and so on).
They make extensive use of cult-generated information and propaganda (YouTube, newsletters, movies and other media).
Thought control

They require members to internalize the group's doctrine as truth (black-and-white, good vs evil thinking).

Trump does all these things. Constantly telling you what channel you should watch. Controlling what his followers watch. The left does the last one.

MAGA is one giant cult and I refuse to believe you don’t know it down deep, hence this thread, which is projection of the highest order. I don’t view you as part of the cult, just a sympathizer. There is a reason you find yourself the lone Republican arguing against your own here. Because most are full on cult members.

[Dan Druff]

Druff, you claiming that the crazy wokest of the woke left represents all of the left/Democrats (more than half of the country) is like me saying that all people from LA are Jewish LHE pro radio hosts.

Have you?

You don't actually believe that the right has been cancelling and committing violence more often than the left in 2020, do you?

Please tell me you don't really believe that.

Both are eating their own. The Trump cultists are turning on solidly right-wing Republicans who dare to admit that Trump lost, and government officials doing their jobs and following the law, saying they are deep state traitors and should be killed.

Given that a tiny minority of this summer's protesters engaged in any violence, and that some were provocateurs from the right, it seems about equal. I don't see any leftists planning the violent overthrow of democratically elected governments though, as the Trump cultists are. (Michigan, suggestions of martial law to install Trump, etc.)

No big-time Trump supporters have turned on me for saying Trump lost. I've tweeted it several times, some have disagreed, but none have gotten hostile with me. You're only seeing the "eating their own" at the actual political level.

The left is different. They are constantly attacking one another and trying to cancel anyone who says something which violates the woke dogma.

What right wing violence has there been this year, aside from a few outliers? Every single major BLM protest had violence, some to an extreme where entire cities were shut down. This wasn't just a few isolated bad actors. Also, the media and left-wing politicians were afraid to shame these criminals, until many weeks later when Biden was finally goaded into it (and even then, he was very gentle with how he put it).

I don't even think Biden was okay with the protests. I just think he was afraid to anger the woke left, so he kept his mouth shut for as long as he could.

I'm not aiming my vitriol at reasonable liberals who just disagree with me politically. That's fine, I'm totally okay with that, and I don't look down on others for having different politics than I do. But what we're seeing from the woke left faction of the Democratic Party (and the spineless people afraid to call them out) is pretty disturbing, and this portion of the party is slowly gaining power, especially culturally.

[mickeycrimm]

Druff has to amplify the threat the “woke left” is to the country while ignoring how the guy he voted to keep as POTUS for another term has repeatedly tried to subvert the Constitution for his personal and political benefit.

Never lists any evidence, just ignorant blather.

[mickeycrimm]

Have you?

You don't actually believe that the right has been cancelling and committing violence more often than the left in 2020, do you?

Please tell me you don't really believe that.

Both are eating their own. The Trump cultists are turning on solidly right-wing Republicans who dare to admit that Trump lost, and government officials doing their jobs and following the law, saying they are deep state traitors and should be killed.

Given that a tiny minority of this summer's protesters engaged in any violence, and that some were provocateurs from the right, it seems about equal. I don't see any leftists planning the violent overthrow of democratically elected governments though, as the Trump cultists are. (Michigan, suggestions of martial law to install Trump, etc.)

Michigan is already under martial law. Heil Whitmer!!

[dwai]

None of my post was concerned about a few freaks on Twitter saying mean things to me. Obviously I can handle that, because I run a forum with freaks saying mean things to me every day.

I think your proximity to a lot of crazy MAGA types in Ohio has led to your opinion that they're a lot more dangerous and influential than they really are. At the end of the day, these are people with no power and no influence anywhere. They're also not trying to take tangible action against everyday human beings. No rioting, no looting, no arson, no attempt to get average people's careers ruined for something they said on Twitter in 2011.

I'm not kidding when I say that I wouldn't be able to freely express my political opinions on Twitter if I worked in Silicon Valley, or even for a major corporation outside of Silicon Valley. How can you think this isn't a problem for the average citizen? Why should regular Joes like me be afraid to state their political opinions on social media if they have a job? I'm not even talking about being political at work. I'm talking about how I'd probably have been fired from any Siilcon Valley software job if I kept my mouth shut while there, but tweeted my right wing politics while at home.

How about the intense pressure put upon corporations, where they've been browbeaten into allowing/supporting obnoxious woke messaging? Did you see what the 2020 NBA looked like? Dreadful. I don't mind actual left wing companies (like Ben 'n Jerry's) taking such positions, but in 2020 we had tons of apolitical corporations repeating the BLM messaging out of fear of consequences for not doing so.

So yes, this is far more than a few idiots on Twitter bitching at people, and yes, it affects everyday Americans.

If MAGA followers are such cultists, why don't we see much violence from them? Why aren't they chasing down left-wing speakers and silencing them? Why aren't they disowning friends and family who voted for Biden?

You only see this type of crazy behavior on the left, for the most part.

Remember all of the business owners boarding everything up on election day? They weren't doing it because they feared the consequences of a Biden win. That should tell you a lot.

That's what cults do. They cause their followers to isolate themselves from the non-believers and the doubters, even close friends and family. They justify violence and other harsh consequences against the heretics. They demand full ideological compliance -- not just from the leaders, but from all followers.

That's today's left. Today's MAGA right is more a dedicated group of followers who treat their leader like an infallible hero. That's not healthy either, but it's missing the cultist elements of isolation and punishing non-believers.

You live in one of the tiny blue dots in a sea of red. You’re an LA dude, thus overly concerned with how the entertainment industry portrays your political side. One of your dupes concerns yourself with Hollywood. This has long been a point of contention with you given where you live.

As I said, take this forum as an example as it’s broad cross section of the country. Who are the nutjobs that think Covid is a hoax, who keep thinking it’s a socialist global agenda, who are angry constantly and spam memes constantly when you don’t agree with them. It’s not left wing people. They’ll argue with you. They won’t spam every thread with the same unimaginative bullshit.

I don’t associate cults with violence. There have been violent cults, but the worlds biggest cults aren’t violent most often. They are generally centered around worshipping a charismatic individual who they follow completely. That’s MAGA. They are often about mind control and money. Anyone who has seen Trumps fundraising material would realize how it preys upon their emotional connection with him to ask for money from people who don’t have it. I can provide examples of a dozen but I’m sure you’ve seen them. That’s pure cult.

Like what about choice center was violent?

It was just whack, and the worlds largest cults are generally that way. They are about constantly changing their personal thoughts to conform with their leader. That’s pure MAGA. Someone like yourself went from a supply side free trade neo-con loving Republican to the polar opposite, because you liked his stance on owning liberals basically. He also gave you tax cuts and some traditional conservative shit, but his views on tariffs and trade are the exact opposite of what you always voted for.

But you’re not a true Trump cult guy. Not fully in.

It’s hard to be isolated from a cult so large that almost half the country joined. So it hasn’t created isolationism, it’s created family problems. I’ve never seen anyone divide families like Trump.

Take split, she said her Thanksgiving was ruined by her younger family members being indoctrinated by liberal schools. Clearly schools are liberal, but I’m sure they were aghast at their old aunt or whatever believing Mike Dewine is a secret socialist globalist working with Bill Gates to take over the world through forced vaccination. They rightfully see her as mentally ill, and that’s completely standard thinking among Trump people. Half a dozen others here have echoed the same ideas. That is more insane than the Choice Center by a mile.

If almost half the country signed up for your same insane cult, no one would be isolated.

You concede Trump acts like a cult leader, but you somehow ignore how insane your fellow Trump voters are. If Micon was following some leader who was saying a bunch of republican governors were working with the Chinese Communists and Hugo Chavez to overthrow the election, you’d make a thread about how he’s lost his mind. A large portion of your party feels this way, yet somehow you don’t find their thoughts crazy.

MAGA is a full on cult.

Cults do other things. They do this which I borrowed.

Information control

They practice deception (by deliberately withholding or distorting information, and/or lying).
They minimize or discourage access to non-cult sources of information (TV, internet, former members, and so on).
They make extensive use of cult-generated information and propaganda (YouTube, newsletters, movies and other media).
Thought control

They require members to internalize the group's doctrine as truth (black-and-white, good vs evil thinking).

Trump does all these things. Constantly telling you what channel you should watch. Controlling what his followers watch. The left does the last one.

MAGA is one giant cult and I refuse to believe you don’t know it down deep, hence this thread, which is projection of the highest order. I don’t view you as part of the cult, just a sympathizer. There is a reason you find yourself the lone Republican arguing against your own here. Because most are full on cult members.

[nightmarefish]

Obama trying to point out how stupid the slogan "defend the police" is, far left not happy. If he can't get them to listen then no one can.

[BCR]

Obama trying to point out how stupid the slogan "defend the police" is, far left not happy. If he can't get them to listen then no one can.

First off Obama isn’t a leftist. Only to loons. He was the drone guy who governed from the center more often.

Also that he says it, and all of the Dem leadership agree with him, is why the right is a far bigger cult. You have to try to find some rare Republican willing to stand up and disagree when Trump says something idiotic. A Sasse or Romney.

No Dem leadership puts that stuff forward. It’s from fringe figures living in the bluest areas of the country who have no national power.

The leadership at the top of the Republican Party is in lockstep with a cult leader.

Once again, you pointing out Obama said it is evidence of what not a cult it is. I’m taking about the Dem party. Not the leftist weirdos wanting 64 pronouns, yeah they’re a cult, just not an important one at this time.

You old style republicans are going to realize the moment this is over that Trump is your party. People will be primaried or not at his whim. No one will be able to win without his blessing. If you’re an actual Republican, you should be hoping he ages quickly and passes on or goes to jail.

[nightmarefish]

Obama trying to point out how stupid the slogan "defend the police" is, far left not happy. If he can't get them to listen then no one can.

First off Obama isn’t a leftist. Only to loons. He was the drone guy who governed from the center more often.

Also that he says it, and all of the Dem leadership agree with him, is why the right is a far bigger cult. You have to try to find some rare Republican willing to stand up and disagree when Trump says something idiotic. A Sasse or Romney.

No Dem leadership puts that stuff forward. It’s from fringe figures living in the bluest areas of the country who have no national power.

The leadership at the top of the Republican Party is in lockstep with a cult leader.

Once again, you pointing out Obama said it is evidence of what not a cult it is. I’m taking about the Dem party. Not the leftist weirdos wanting 64 pronouns, yeah they’re a cult, just not an important one at this time.

You old style republicans are going to realize the moment this is over that Trump is your party. People will be primaried or not at his whim. No one will be able to win without his blessing. If you’re an actual Republican, you should be hoping he ages quickly and passes on or goes to jail.

My point is the far left is coming, It's not just the fringe, we're talking congresswomen and other elected officials and they're gaining strength. When Obama left office he had some unheard of approval rating with dems, I believe in the high 90%s. That's shrinking as the fringe gets bigger. I agree with you that the far right grew and came together first but the far left is coming. Both sides are crazy and both sides are bad for the country. We can nitpick what the exact definition of "cult" is but I'm concerned about emotional crazy people unwilling to even talk to someone that has different views then their own. In this case, Obama was just trying to be a voice of reason, far left won't hear it. And it's not like he's saying anything crazy, 5 years ago he wouldn't have received push back from anyone on the left even while police shootings were happening on his watch.

The one difference I do see is that the far right is more aligned (due to Trump) then the far left. Currently, there's several difference factions of the far left that all have a "number #1" concern. Once their "Trump" comes along and unites them they'll be scary. Maybe that's AOC, maybe that's someone we don't know yet.