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    Hopefully we can get some more photos of these guys. Perhaps the card house will be willing to release the membership photos ,or security footage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    A radio listener in Dallas just texted me that he alerted his cardroom about the Cubans when he saw them take a seat at his table!

    They kicked both of them out, and analyzed the deck, and supposedly it's now known how they were pulling off the cheating!

    He's still waiting for more info from the management of his room. Developing...

    Great! Hopefully they get blacklisted. Haven't seen them around since that one day. I've told several folks at local rooms I frequent. Wish I would've taken good pics of them when I was at the table.

    As I think I laid out in some detail in my previous post they're definitely edge marking the cards. I noticed the guy messing around with the cards suspiciously while looking down at his hole cards. If you've played poker for a while and pay attention to this guy he definitely isn't a normal player just checking his hole cards. Sometimes I saw marked cards that were frayed or obviously gouged by these edge marks in the muck. Obviously, this kind of cheating will only work if someone with good eyes sits in the one seat and looks down at the side of the deck before the flop, turn, and river.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jokerswild View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    A radio listener in Dallas just texted me that he alerted his cardroom about the Cubans when he saw them take a seat at his table!

    They kicked both of them out, and analyzed the deck, and supposedly it's now known how they were pulling off the cheating!

    He's still waiting for more info from the management of his room. Developing...

    Great! Hopefully they get blacklisted. Haven't seen them around since that one day. I've told several folks at local rooms I frequent. Wish I would've taken good pics of them when I was at the table.

    As I think I laid out in some detail in my previous post they're definitely edge marking the cards. I noticed the guy messing around with the cards suspiciously while looking down at his hole cards. If you've played poker for a while and pay attention to this guy he definitely isn't a normal player just checking his hole cards. Sometimes I saw marked cards that were frayed or obviously gouged by these edge marks in the muck. Obviously, this kind of cheating will only work if someone with good eyes sits in the one seat and looks down at the side of the deck before the flop, turn, and river.
    UPDATE:

    Got this news a couple weeks ago but just got around to posting. Apparently they got banned from the place I saw them in Austin a while back for collusion/signaling.

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    Haven't heard of any more Florida sightings of these two, word spread pretty quick. Have you heard back from the dealer at the place in Texas with more details?

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    I spoke with a dealer at the room they were booted from. He confirmed they were marking the actual edges of the cards (not the top side, but the edge)

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    I don’t know how it varies from state to state, but card marking in a casino is mostly illegal. In fact a felony in many cases. I know these guys aren’t playing in top end casinos on the Vegas Strip, but that’s not the main issue. It’s because they are cheating in a game where they are not playing against the house.

    The boot is literally the least they can do. In fact, the word is out so much that if they are spotted playing, the word may very likely matriculate to the players on the table and they could all get up. Fucking places need to do more than kick these fuckers out. Call the authorities. Maybe in most places the cops won’t do shit, but it’s something. I know places in Texas don’t want authorities around because of ambiguity in the laws for their own operation. It’s a shame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffDime View Post
    I don’t know how it varies from state to state, but card marking in a casino is mostly illegal. In fact a felony in many cases. I know these guys aren’t playing in top end casinos on the Vegas Strip, but that’s not the main issue. It’s because they are cheating in a game where they are not playing against the house.

    The boot is literally the least they can do. In fact, the word is out so much that if they are spotted playing, the word may very likely matriculate to the players on the table and they could all get up. Fucking places need to do more than kick these fuckers out. Call the authorities. Maybe in most places the cops won’t do shit, but it’s something. I know places in Texas don’t want authorities around because of ambiguity in the laws for their own operation. It’s a shame.

    In Florida, they will let them play. Hell, they even let Russ Hamilton play here at Gulfstream under the old management. And from what I heard when the other players gave Hamilton crap for being a cheater, the floor gave the other players a hard time. But then again, the Israelis that play there routinely work together and the old management used to let them work the room. I wouldn't sit when they played and would get up and leave or switch tables when they sat down. This, of course, is all pre-covid as I haven't played live poker since February.

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    These cuban theifs made their way to Chaser's Poker room in Salem, New Hampshire. They were marking cards stole thousands from players and management is not doing a thing to help those they stole from. Same deal, sat in seat 1 to see dealers deck of cards easier. Chaser's Poker room owners don't care about their customers and players will avoid their room unless they step up. here is a video of them

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    Robbing like cheating in the game or robbing in the traditional sense?

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    Covered it again on radio last night, at the 2:26:50 mark:

    https://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sh...nishing-Paypal

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    Quote Originally Posted by timtimbo123 View Post
    These cuban theifs made their way to Chaser's Poker room in Salem, New Hampshire. They were marking cards stole thousands from players and management is not doing a thing to help those they stole from. Same deal, sat in seat 1 to see dealers deck of cards easier. Chaser's Poker room owners don't care about their customers and players will avoid their room unless they step up. here is a video of them

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    Thanks for getting the word out. I have played at Chasers a few times and it’s always seemed like a well run room. Sounds like they have been at Boston Billiards also. Surprised at both of those rooms not catching them or taking action.

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    Here are photos one of Cuban guys marking cards at Chaser's Casino in Salem, NH

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    Is marking high cards enough to get the edges these guys appear to have? Aren't you taking a flop with 2 kings in PLO no matter what anyway?

    Seems like there is more going on here than knowing a high card or too is coming on the flop turn or river.

    Also, how can they tell the card they marked isn't a burn card?

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    Not a poker player myself, got a question...

    Is there a possibility that there are more than just the 2 Cubans? Say 4 of them in total? Which would have access to 16 total cards preflop and 19 cards post flop. 36.5% of cards known. Between collusion and a aggressive betting sequence is this enough to get a worth their wild edge?

    No other cheating/shadiness, just the above situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PositiveVariance View Post
    Not a poker player myself, got a question...

    Is there a possibility that there are more than just the 2 Cubans? Say 4 of them in total? Which would have access to 16 total cards preflop and 19 cards post flop. 36.5% of cards known. Between collusion and a aggressive betting sequence is this enough to get a worth their wild edge?

    No other cheating/shadiness, just the above situation.
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    Does look like it could be the same dude, except he has a beard now. Was his buddy with him at the table? I remember this guy losing all ins a couple times. In retrospect, it's possible he misjudged where his marked cards were in the deck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timtimbo123 View Post
    These cuban theifs made their way to Chaser's Poker room in Salem, New Hampshire. They were marking cards stole thousands from players and management is not doing a thing to help those they stole from. Same deal, sat in seat 1 to see dealers deck of cards easier. Chaser's Poker room owners don't care about their customers and players will avoid their room unless they step up. here is a video of them

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    Are those plaques $100 at Chaser's?

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    Yes those black chips are 100's. He cheated as a team with another guy that would sit in 5 or 6 seat usually another cuban guy quiet. Acted like he was interested in his phone videos. Wore a hat, think that other guy still plays at Boston Billiards. They would leave table on certain dealers and come back all sketchy. 1 guy marks the cards the other guy quietly wins alot or both of them win. This guy in photo always wanted the 1 seat at table prob to see marks on cards in dealer's stack of cards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timtimbo123 View Post
    These cuban theifs made their way to Chaser's Poker room in Salem, New Hampshire. They were marking cards stole thousands from players and management is not doing a thing to help those they stole from. Same deal, sat in seat 1 to see dealers deck of cards easier. Chaser's Poker room owners don't care about their customers and players will avoid their room unless they step up. here is a video of them

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    Thanks for the update, sorry I'm just seeing this now. This looks and sounds like the same guy I played with in Tampa that would always sit in seat 6, his buddy in seat 1 watching the deck.

    As for the other comments afterwards. These guys would lose some big hands. Even with a marked deck, they won't know the suits coming. So they might be able to see that the deck is favoring broadway, middle or low cards and play hands most likely to make straights, two pair, sets or full houses given that knowledge. But the flushes would be something they wouldn't be able to know given what I was told of how they marked decks.

    I saw the guy in Seat 6 get it in as the 4th player for $1200 with Q976 because the deck was favoring middle cards. He was up against AAxx, KKxx and another broadway type hand. They ran twice four ways and he won both boards.

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