Originally Posted by PDen
Some people can be just plain nasty. They never said that they were taking a long break. Sure they have their problems, but if you don't like their style, don't watch them.
Dude you are a sick degen and you ruined Sarah's channel.
Victor you live in Vegas now, GA is your friend. There are meetings every hour. Go find some.
Another great video by EZ. All I will say is that taking 20% off for taxes on group pulls is just straight up stealing. These stolen funds should be returned to the participants immediately. Anyone who has dealt with gambling and taxes knows basically how it works. This is great stuff by EZ…
Ohh and one more thing…DONT EVER PARTICIPATE IN A GROUP PULL!
I agree, this guy taking 20% off the top of the group pull winnings for taxes is bullshit.
Hold on, I know some of you are thinking "well someone has to pay the taxes". Out of the thousands of dollars he took for "taxes" from these group pull members, zero dollars will get paid out of that amount to the government in taxes.
There are so many issues with this. Obviously if you are running a slot channel filming high limit almost daily slot play, you will lose 6 figures yearly. The only way this guy or any other high limit slot channel nets a single dollar in a calendar year for slot play is if they hit a jackpot well into 6 figures. Slot play alone, not counting YouTube revenue.
Playing a slot machine with an 8% house edge daily, there is virtually no chance in hell you will show a net win for the year off hitting 4 or even the occasional 5 figure W2G slot win.
Hes going to try to justify it by saying there is a possibility he may have a net win for the year so he must collect it. If he doesn't pay it to the IRS, he will return it? Big fat LOL to that.
Putting all the above aside. He is a business. Entertainment business. When he collects money for a "Group Pull" (No, Chrissy Mitchell, not that kind of group pull) that money is documented on his books. Then when he pays out the money, in this case it happens to be a higher amount paid out than originally paid in. In this situation from an accounting and tax viewpoint, he is just the "middleman". This is no different than an agent in sports wagering. you are the "middleman" responsible for collecting and paying winnings. If someone bets $1,000 to win $900, as the middleman you pay them the $900, you don't take an additional 20% for taxes on top.
Bottom line, as a business he has a paper trail for what was collected as well as what is paid out.
He knows exactly what he is doing, and that is to siphon an extra 5 figures from these people.
Also, if he wanted to be upfront, he could of had them tax his winnings and pay the federal withholding right then. It would still be bad but not as bad.
I hope YouTube pulls his channel for this.
And LOL at the general idea of a "Group Pull". What retarded broke Moron came up with this nonsense? So 100 people put In $100 each. 1 person can play a $1 machine, then you don't have to split it between 99 other people when half want to stop and half want to keep playing. The retardedness in these people is incredible.
Another reason this jackass didn't lay down the rules of his group pull ahead of time is so he can freeroll the. If he is robbing them for 20% hes going to want to keep playing. Why stop when even or slightly up?
This infuriates me just thinking about it...
Last edited by PositiveVariance; 04-21-2022 at 10:28 PM.
Some people just cannot accept the truth. What part of I am not Canadian, I do not live in the USA, I am not Victor, I am not Sarah, don't you understand. I just watch their channel, and other Las Vegas related channels that I enjoy.
Dude you are a sick degen and you ruined Sarah's channel.
Victor you live in Vegas now, GA is your friend. There are meetings every hour. Go find some.
Great post PV as usual really breaking down the stuff so well. This is so cut and dry. The group pull is a way for the creator to raise funds. I am sure some channels try and do it the right way, but I agree with EZ they shouldn’t be allowed to do them at all.
The general rules of the group pull also need to be stated upfront. It looks like this guy Filthy is going to make a response video. If that video is some kind of rationalization & discussion about taxes he will only further dig himself into the hole.
The only thing I can think he may say he is up so much money he “may” not be an overall loser come December 2022. Then what? He will give people the stolen money at that point? Bullshit. Unless he hits something huge this guy will offset any winnings with losses on his 2022 return and pay $0 in tax.
Return the funds ASAP. If not, I would say to the people who had funds stolen to start to report this wherever you can.
Hypothetically if this Filthy Scam Artist Slot Guy is up money gambling for the year at the point of time he is doing a “group pull”…
A) It is irrelevant to whether he will have tax liability at year’s end.
B) To conflate his possible, yet unlikely, personal tax liability as a reason to skim 20% of the participants money is morally & ethically bankrupt.
C) How about have the woman he’s with play if you are up so much money? Why even have Group Pulls if you are going to skim money if people win?
It is really amazing what is going on in this space.
This is like attacking a witness to a crime for reporting the crime. There is no defense for this guy’s actions. Better get that money to the people very very fast. EZ is showing the truth to the naive people you have duped. Return the money and apologize…don’t let this fester.
This would be my recommendation to dirty slot guy to 100% eliminate the chance of him "getting stuck with the group pulls taxes".
He needs to have 2 separate businesses on paper:
1st business is his "Dirty Slot Guy LLC". This is his slot play and his play only.
What ever money he wins or loses in the calendar year is delt with on its own.
2nd business "Group Pulls LLC" would be separate for accounting purposes. This accounting is what ever is paid In by members for group pulls, then documents what ever is paid out to members for winnings. In theory there is zero dollars "profited" by Group Pulls LLC. At the end of the year. You issue 1099 forms to each member and let them pay their own taxes. So this way If Group pulls LLC won a million dollars it would be paid out to members with 1099 forms to cover themself, so the members would then be responsible for the taxes on the million dollar win not Mr. Dirty guy.
By separating the businesses there is no comingling of funds and paying someone else's tax as well as double taxation.
If he or any slot channel is going to continuously do these pulls they need to set it up properly and as JD said lay out all the rules upfront. Members don't want surprises or shadiness.
Under the tax code, the people he paid out are supposed to pay taxes on their winnings. So under his theory taxes get paid twice (if he were to actually pay, which he won't). Now, will these winners claim this money on their tax return? Probably not, but that is another issue.
He is already getting a huge benefit for doing group pulls. He is getting free content for YouTube without spending his own money. So in theory a high limit slot channel can easily spend $1,000 per video playing -EV slot machines. This cock sucker doesn't need to get them for another 20% on top of that.
Another thing, if he keeps doing these group pulls, obviously for the calendar year these group pulls are losing much more than they are winning. I guarantee he is going to use these losses to his advantage on his taxes even though it wasn't his money.
For example let's say he lost 200k on slots, lost another 50k on group pulls and makes 250k from YouTube ad revenue. For the year without the 50k group pull loss he would be up 50k as a business (200k slot loss plus 250k YouTube revenue). But since he will without a doubt use that 50k group pull loss it will put him breakeven for the year, when that extra 50k loss was not his to use.
He needs to pay the money back and change his business structure going forward and separate everything for accounting and tax purposes.
Look at an investment broker that manages people's investment. If he doubles someone's investment he doesn't take 20% to pay taxes because his own personal investments may be doing well and somehow the 2 get comingled. He has a mess on his hands.
These people would have a good case in small claims court. Pretty cut and dry.
EDIT: I just realized it's "Filthy" not "Dirty" lol I don't want to change each time I used the word.
Last edited by PositiveVariance; 04-22-2022 at 01:07 PM.
An oldie but goodie is back. Mr cool himself, Jason Sample
Looks like the conditions of his post release prison bid are up, and he is now free to be involved in gambling related money making ventures again, as previously he was in violation.
For anyone wondering, PDen is not Victor. He's not even in the US (or Canada).
Thank you Dan Druff for not revealing my identity or where I live. That will happen in its own time if necessary. All I have really been doing is conducting a little experiment on how easy it is for people to get sucked in to believing what they want to believe, whether it is the truth or not. I have been following Slotlady's page, and other Las Vegas related pages for a long time, and had the opportunity to meet her in the lobby of the El Cortez a few years ago. She took the time to talk to an elderly man (me) and was very pleasant. She also introduced me to a man who I thought was her assistant as he had all her photography gear. She had mentioned several times on her channel that she was single, and I had thought nothing of it. They were just waiting for transport to go to another casino to record some gaming. It was none of my business who he was, or what his relationship with her was.
Having had the opportunity to meet her I was just a little taken back by some of the nasty comments about her and Victor, and their channel and how they run it, that I have read on here and on another channel, where that particular person seems to take great delight in slamming any channel which doesn't fall into his way of thinking. So please just let me say that it is my belief that in order to survive in this world, people need money. How they get it or what they do is their business. As long as it causes no physical or psycological hurt to others, what business is it to their detractors how they earn it? How someone markets their product is their business. If you don't like it, don't get involved. I would dare to say that just about ever person reading this, at some time in their life has done, something by way of opportunity, and with a bit of clever thinking, has been able to secure a benefit or remuneration for their effort. It doesn't necessarily make it a scam.
As for their personal life, again it is none of our business. What they do, and who they do it with should have nothing to do with us, unless they choose to invite us into that part of their life. Then we should respect their privacy. She has said in the past there were a few shady people annoying/stalking her. She also made it quite clear she did not welcome these people into her life. So why can't we just be decent enough to leave her alone if you don't appreciate what she or Victor do? Its not really that hard. You don't have to make nasty comments and assume what they are doing is wrong. if you don't like it, simply delete their page from your computer.
Since this is the Scams forum, that's what's being discussed. It's becoming apparent more & more that most (if not all) of these slots/gambling streamers/youtubers are being PAID by the casinos which is DISHONEST since their audiences are not being told this fact. Informing people who might be potential viewers and supporters who might eventually debate donating to these people need to be informed before they give their hard-earned money away to people who aren't being 100% honest about their incomes. That is, of course, unless you enjoy watching people give their hard-earned money to youtubers/streamers who give them the façade that they are friends?Thank you Dan Druff for not revealing my identity or where I live. That will happen in its own time if necessary. All I have really been doing is conducting a little experiment on how easy it is for people to get sucked in to believing what they want to believe, whether it is the truth or not. I have been following Slotlady's page, and other Las Vegas related pages for a long time, and had the opportunity to meet her in the lobby of the El Cortez a few years ago. She took the time to talk to an elderly man (me) and was very pleasant. She also introduced me to a man who I thought was her assistant as he had all her photography gear. She had mentioned several times on her channel that she was single, and I had thought nothing of it. They were just waiting for transport to go to another casino to record some gaming. It was none of my business who he was, or what his relationship with her was.
Having had the opportunity to meet her I was just a little taken back by some of the nasty comments about her and Victor, and their channel and how they run it, that I have read on here and on another channel, where that particular person seems to take great delight in slamming any channel which doesn't fall into his way of thinking. So please just let me say that it is my belief that in order to survive in this world, people need money. How they get it or what they do is their business. As long as it causes no physical or psycological hurt to others, what business is it to their detractors how they earn it? How someone markets their product is their business. If you don't like it, don't get involved. I would dare to say that just about ever person reading this, at some time in their life has done, something by way of opportunity, and with a bit of clever thinking, has been able to secure a benefit or remuneration for their effort. It doesn't necessarily make it a scam.
As for their personal life, again it is none of our business. What they do, and who they do it with should have nothing to do with us, unless they choose to invite us into that part of their life. Then we should respect their privacy. She has said in the past there were a few shady people annoying/stalking her. She also made it quite clear she did not welcome these people into her life. So why can't we just be decent enough to leave her alone if you don't appreciate what she or Victor do? Its not really that hard. You don't have to make nasty comments and assume what they are doing is wrong. if you don't like it, simply delete their page from your computer.
Their personal lives are being brought into question because in many cases these youtubers are being revealed to be LIARS and SCAMMERS. All I see is people starting to put the puzzle together. If these youtubers/streamers are gambling with funds the casino paid them then their audience deserves to know that instead of being shady & pretending like they're just trust fund babies wasting away their own money. It's disingenuous & DECEITFUL to hide the fact that the casino is paying you to gamble at their establishment. It's predatory marketing practices and it should be called out to protect people from giving away their money or falsely believing "well this streamer won at this casino so maybe I can too!". Then when they start having problems getting along or one person is trying to screw over another person and they decide to make posts LYING about why they're not "active" right now, its going to raise suspicions.
That's the price you pay for exposing yourself to the online world as a youtuber/streamer and want to make $100k+ annually. People want to know when they're being lied to, preyed upon or screwed over.
El Cortez is 100% paying ACA's channel to be a promoter for them. Doesn't take a genius to see that's literally the ONLY casino they ever gamble in on stream or video.
Sarah may have been cordial to you, sir. I don't know her so I can't say one way or the other how she is. But I can tell you this from my experience with streamers.
As long as the money's flowing, they're fantastic actors/actresses. Once the money stops, you see them for who they truly are as a person.
The slot streaming is fine, as long as it accurately represents the win/loss pattern of the streamer, or if the streamer admits that he/she is intentionally showing more wins than losses.
If you're being paid by a casino to stream/record from there, it's especially bad if you misrepresent your results, as you're basically misleading people into chunking off their bankrolls in exchange for being paid by the casino to do so.
I haven't watched many of SlotLady/ACA's videos. I have seen some losing ones, so I'll give them credit for showing at least some bad sessions. My biggest issue with them was the dishonesty regarding Victor's involvement. If you want to put your pretty girlfriend front-and-center so you get more clicks, that's fine. If you want to hide in the background, fine. However, if she's going to directly solicit donations to the channel, and you're hiding specifically so the simps donate with the belief that they might have a chance with her, then it gets into unethical territory. It's additionally unethical to refuse to address your relationship status once the truth is discovered.
Had Victor and Sarah simply come out and said, "Yes, we presented just Sarah for marketing reasons, and in hindsight, she probably should have been clearer about the fact that she was in a relationship the entire time. But yes, we have been together the entire time the channel has been running, and going forward we are going to do the content together", then I would have had a lot more respect for them.
As far as I am aware Sarah and Victor have both always said in the past that it is their money they use to gamble with. If they are being paid by the casino to promote their casino, and are paid for it, then it is money earned. I have no idea if they are actually handed a fist full of money by the casino as a pretense, and told to go gamble with it. That I imagine would be pretty hard to prove. If they are being comped accommodation and other benefits and living expenses by the casino for promoting the place, then that is part of the deal they have in place with that establishment. We all like to get comps and other freebies when we can. No doubt that you probably receive some kind of benefits some how from running this site, as it would probably be almost a full time job for you. And, good for you. You have found your niche. That is what they have done.
I have no idea what their personal relationship is, and it is none of my business. All I know is that Sarah tends to keep her private life, exactly that. From some of the comments I have seen on her channels, she has always indicted that she was not married. That is not the same thing as having a boyfriend, or being in a relationship with one. I have noticed that she tends to ignore personal questions, and that it her right to do so. If people are gullible enough to think that flicking her a couple of bucks in a chat line is going to win her heart, then more fool them. They found a way to market themselves, in a way that worked for them. Time will tell if they continue to be successful now that people are actually saying that Victor and Sarah are a couple. Maybe even some of her stalkers and weirdos might leave her alone. As I said in a previous post, every one has some kind of hustle going at some time in their life.
I think people underestimate the power of monetization. There is a slot youtuber named Lady luck, she seems to be legit and the more respected ones but she is pretty transparent about everything and even revealed her earnings from youtube the past year. I believe she made somehwere around $350k if I remember but I could be a little off. Her videos normally get around 75-100k views. Pretty good return if ya ask me, but she does gamble super high stakes for slots.
As far as I am aware Sarah and Victor have both always said in the past that it is their money they use to gamble with. If they are being paid by the casino to promote their casino, and are paid for it, then it is money earned. I have no idea if they are actually handed a fist full of money by the casino as a pretense, and told to go gamble with it. That I imagine would be pretty hard to prove. If they are being comped accommodation and other benefits and living expenses by the casino for promoting the place, then that is part of the deal they have in place with that establishment. We all like to get comps and other freebies when we can. No doubt that you probably receive some kind of benefits some how from running this site, as it would probably be almost a full time job for you. And, good for you. You have found your niche. That is what they have done.
I have no idea what their personal relationship is, and it is none of my business. All I know is that Sarah tends to keep her private life, exactly that. From some of the comments I have seen on her channels, she has always indicted that she was not married. That is not the same thing as having a boyfriend, or being in a relationship with one. I have noticed that she tends to ignore personal questions, and that it her right to do so. If people are gullible enough to think that flicking her a couple of bucks in a chat line is going to win her heart, then more fool them. They found a way to market themselves, in a way that worked for them. Time will tell if they continue to be successful now that people are actually saying that Victor and Sarah are a couple. Maybe even some of her stalkers and weirdos might leave her alone. As I said in a previous post, every one has some kind of hustle going at some time in their life.
You might not be Victor, but you come across as someone who knows Victor and Sarah very well and have been asked by them to come into this thread to try and make them both seem like good honest people. This whole thing you about how you met her once and how wonderful she is? C'mon pal.
Look you can call me a conspiracy theorist but as others have mentioned, this is a scams and shadiness forum and those 2 fit right in here.
So please dude, your constant fawning over both of them at least to me doesn't add up and is nauseating.
You might not be Victor, but you come across as someone who knows Victor and Sarah very well and have been asked by them to come into this thread to try and make them both seem like good honest people. This whole thing you about how you met her once and how wonderful she is? C'mon pal.
Look you can call me a conspiracy theorist but as others have mentioned, this is a scams and shadiness forum and those 2 fit right in here.
So please dude, your constant fawning over both of them at least to me doesn't add up and is nauseating.
It is amazing how some people just cannot accept the truth of what I have said. Please show me where I said how wonderful she is. I wrote this before. "She took the time to talk to an elderly man (me) and was very pleasant." That is the only time I have spoken to either of them, and the conversation lasted between 5 and 10 minutes. Before Covid, I used to travel to the USA once a year, staying between 4 to 6 weeks and base myself in Downtown Las Vegas, because I like playing poker and blackjack. I find accommodation costs are cheaper Downtown, and I don't need fancy high class and expensive establishments when I travel alone. I was staying at El Cortez, and as I walked through the lobby area, I noticed a couple with photographic equipment. The female looked like Sarah from the Slotlady, a Las Vegas channel I often watch, so I walked up to her and asked her if she was Sarah. She said she was, I introduced myself and she introduced the male person she was with. As he was holding the photographic equipment, I assumed he was her assistant. That is it, my entire interaction with either of them. I still watch their channel, along with several other channels. I have never donated any money to any channel. I am not fawning over them. I am simply playing "Devils Advocate" that they have a right to do as they please. If you don't like it, don't get involved. Sex sells, just look at any advertisement in magazines or on TV. Some people may find her attractive and that is their right to give her a donation if they wish. Just don't be nasty about it.
Now that my Country has opened its International Borders and I am free to travel, I will be arriving in Las Vegas on May 29 for just under a 5 week stay, including staying at the El Cortez for a week. Hopefully I will have the chance to talk to them or other channel operators during my stay in Las Vegas. Have a nice day.
You're actually correct about that last part. Had they been honest from the start about being in a long-term relationship, that one creepy stalker of hers might not have developed his obsession. I assume that dude was one of the main reasons Sarah quit being the sole face of the channel, and brought Victor in. Prior to that, it looked like she was about done with the whole thing. (By the way, I'm not defending the stalker in any way. The dude comes off like an unhinged psycho.)As far as I am aware Sarah and Victor have both always said in the past that it is their money they use to gamble with. If they are being paid by the casino to promote their casino, and are paid for it, then it is money earned. I have no idea if they are actually handed a fist full of money by the casino as a pretense, and told to go gamble with it. That I imagine would be pretty hard to prove. If they are being comped accommodation and other benefits and living expenses by the casino for promoting the place, then that is part of the deal they have in place with that establishment. We all like to get comps and other freebies when we can. No doubt that you probably receive some kind of benefits some how from running this site, as it would probably be almost a full time job for you. And, good for you. You have found your niche. That is what they have done.
I have no idea what their personal relationship is, and it is none of my business. All I know is that Sarah tends to keep her private life, exactly that. From some of the comments I have seen on her channels, she has always indicted that she was not married. That is not the same thing as having a boyfriend, or being in a relationship with one. I have noticed that she tends to ignore personal questions, and that it her right to do so. If people are gullible enough to think that flicking her a couple of bucks in a chat line is going to win her heart, then more fool them. They found a way to market themselves, in a way that worked for them. Time will tell if they continue to be successful now that people are actually saying that Victor and Sarah are a couple. Maybe even some of her stalkers and weirdos might leave her alone. As I said in a previous post, every one has some kind of hustle going at some time in their life.
However, I can't agree with you about anything else. Whether she's married is/was immaterial. She is in a long term relationship which somewhat resembles a marriage. She's as unavailable as a married woman. It is very clear that Victor was hidden away because they figured that implying she was single was a way to better tips (and they were probably right!)
This isn't the worst transgression. Nobody was directly cheated in any way. Nobody forced these simps to donate, and Sarah never directly claimed she was single, nor did she ever imply that any of those simp viewers had a chance with her. However, it was still intentionally misleading.
The biggest problem was the dumb coverup. Once the truth got out, she should have just stepped forward, been honest about everything, and moved on. Instead, we got a lot of indignant attitude that nobody had a right to ask these questions in the first place.
I'm not really worried about the (likely) possibility of the El Cortez paying them, because that's pretty standard for all of these streamers, and Sarah/Victor indeed show losing sessions.
@PDEN. I don’t have much to add from what Druff has said. Easy money comes with a cost. What Victor & Sarah set-up was inevitably going to bring these creeps out. Even the name “Slot Lady” is a double entendre. You don’t need to be Colombo to know that all this was premeditated ( probably mostly by Victor).
This doesn’t make them bad people. I don’t think they even really talk about how this was all set-up in the first place. Sarah wants to be this serious business woman who knows about “corporate structure”. They just can’t embrace the reality of the situation. They signed up for this.
I am sure there are worse things she has dealt with that the public is not privy to. But again, they signed up for this. You want the easy money, you will have to pay the cost in other ways. It’s just the way it is. It’s the times we live in that allow them to do what they do. With that comes all the negative stuff as well.
I’m glad you find enjoyment in their content and have every right to defend them. But it won’t stop people from taking shots. They are public figures and that is just how it goes.
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