Youtube Slot Community and SlotLady

[Mission146]

The comment about you saying you are blocking me, never speaking to me or about me again has me dying laughing but as I read on I see what did it. You said you immediately got pissed off with my first message in this thread about your site. If you watched more of my videos you would know one of my charming features is pushing peoples buttons ;-) I too am, a asshole.

It seems like we should get along quite nicely in the future now that we both know the other is an asshole. LOL

My big problem was that I thought you were implying that there is something nefarious about my contest. If there's a problem you have with the site advertising online casinos, then that's your opinion and I would have nothing to the contrary to say about that as the website does, in fact, advertise for offshore online casinos. The hell am I going to do? Say, "No, they don't!"?

I don't think such advertising, in and of itself, is illegal. I should assume they would have went after Wizard, who is in the U.S.A. and makes no secret of where he can be found, when he directly owned the sites if such advertising was illegal. That said, I can't categorically absolutely declare that the advertising is legal, my opinion is that it is, but it's none of my concern whether it is or not.

Again, I want to make it very clear that my compensation is in no way tied to affiliate performance and I have no ownership stake whatsoever in the sites.

[Mission146]

Quite a lot to unpack here and frankly I don't have the time for all of this back and forth, I come here from time to time to check up on anything I may have missed on ACA, since I do plan on doing another video on them in the future.

I am in no way shape or form asking for an amendment to the article, I even told you that privately. Just like people who I speak about open themselves up for it so do I. So have at it and I mean that in the nicest way possible.

The word group pull keeps getting thrown out a lot and my video is way beyond group pulls. This is Mary sending Bob $500 to play with. Bob takes 20% of the $500 and then plays the $400 for Mary. That is not a group pull. Bob is profiting, Bob is a bookie. That is illegal. That is what all these channels I discussed (and channels I didn't discuss) are doing. Which ties in those links I showed you. I hope this clarifies things.

Even with "Bob" above keeping a commission for the slot pulls, there is probably no law violation here -- or at least not one which would be likely to see action from law enforcement.

This is because the commission is a flat %, and not tied to the outcome of the gambling. In fact, something similar is done in poker staking, known as "markup". It is very typical that you would send $120 to a guy entering a $10,000 event to buy 1% of him, rather than $100. The extra $20 (20% markup) is there to both cover the poker pro's expenses AND because the poker pro claims to be a better than average player in the field, and thus is worth more. This has been long known to be legal.

As I mentioned, the illegality would be a Caesars rep allowing me to wire the company money so one of their employees can gamble-by-proxy for me. Same with wiring money for purposes of a guy booking a sportsbet on the other side of my pick, but even there, it would have to be a business operation, and not just betting between friends or acquaintances.

I am very much on your side regarding these slot pulls, though. Without anyone neutral there to witness them taking place, and because of virtually untraceable forms of trickery (even with so-called "live streams"), this is a bad way to spend your money, as you never know what's really happening on the other end. And there's a good chance a lot of these are shady.

This is where I think things can get messy with state laws.

For one example, I will present the State of Texas, which has some strict anti-gambling laws despite the fact that the fucking hypocrites sell $100 Instant Lottery Tickets:

https://saputo.law/criminal-law/texa...ing-promotion/

This is not a promotion of Saputo Law as I have no idea who they are.

They state:

The Gambling Promotion crime in the state of Texas gives police the right to arrest you if they believe you operate a variety of different gambling operations. Learn more detailed information about the Gambling Promotion offense below.

And then quote from the Penal Code Section 47.03:

(a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally or knowingly does any of the following acts:

(1) operates or participates in the earnings of a gambling place;

(2) engages in bookmaking;

(3) for gain, becomes a custodian of anything of value bet or offered to be bet;

(4) sells chances on the partial or final result of or on the margin of victory in any game or contest or on the performance of any participant in any game or contest or on the result of any political nomination, appointment, or election or on the degree of success of any nominee, appointee, or candidate; or

(5) for gain, sets up or promotes any lottery or sells or offers to sell or knowingly possesses for transfer, or transfers any card, stub, ticket, check, or other device designed to serve as evidence of participation in any lottery.

As you can see, Section 3 would apply to this sort of activity. Where it gets a little murky is that the person in question is not actually gambling in the State of Texas as the only casinos there are a couple of Native American properties (therefore, sovereign) that have Electronic Bingo.

In any event, I could see where accepting money from individuals in Texas would cause the person becoming the custodian to be violating Texas law, even if that person is not physically in Texas.

The question becomes whether them selling chances from a different state being offered to residents of Texas causes the individual to be in violation of Texas law; I would be inclined to believe that the individual would be violating Texas law because that individual is still selling those chances within the State of Texas.

Now, could Texas try to have him extradited from whatever state into Texas? I don't think so. At least, not until such time that Texas has actually charged him with something. Still, I imagine that these sellers of the chances in gambling could get into some trouble should they ever go to Texas and are found.

The difference with the Poker is that you are investing into the poker player's results in the tournament, so the poker player has not become a custodian of money being bet; they have become a custodian of money being used to enter the tournament. I suppose one could claim that the tournament entry is itself a bet, but I think that would be a stretch.

Another quick code we can look at is that of Utah, specifically, 76-10-1104: Gambling Promotion:

https://le.utah.gov/xcode/Title76/Ch...egree%20felony.

(1) A person is guilty of gambling promotion if the person derives or intends to derive an economic benefit other than personal winnings from gambling or fringe gambling and:
(a) the person induces or aids another to engage in gambling or fringe gambling; or
(b) the person knowingly invests in, finances, owns, controls, supervises, manages, or participates in any gambling or fringe gambling.
(2) Gambling promotion is a class A misdemeanor, except that any person who is twice convicted under this section is guilty of a third degree felony.

As you can see, these sellers would immediately fall afoul of Section 1 in that they are deriving an economic benefit other that personal winnings from gambling. The people buying into the person gambling for them would not be doing anything wrong because the only benefit they would derive are personal winnings.

The seller would also be afoul of Section 1(a) in that they are inducing or aiding another person to engage in gambling. The person would be guilty of 1(b) due to multiple words in that subcategory.

As you can see just from these two examples, this sort of activity where one takes money from another, uses it to gamble, and profits can cause the person orchestrating the event to run afoul of several different state laws.

South Carolina law also addresses this directly:

https://www.scstatehouse.gov/code/t16c019.php

Section 16-19-130: Betting, pool selling, bookmaking and the like prohibited.

(4)Receives, registers, records or forwards or purports or pretends to receive, register, record or forward, in any manner whatsoever, any money, thing or consideration of value bet or wagered or offered for the purpose of being bet or wagered by or for any other person or sells pools upon any such result

(6) Aids, assists or abets in any manner in any of the aforesaid acts, which are hereby forbidden;

Shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction, shall be punished by a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars or imprisonment not exceeding six months, or both fine and imprisonment, in the discretion of the court.

Interestingly, the law starts by saying, "Any person within this state who...," so that creates a little ambiguity as to whether or not a person is violating South Carolina law if they are not physically located in South Carolina.

However, one interesting aspect of the South Carolina law is that it is illegal to, "Forward," the money to the person running the pool. In essence, I think a strong argument can be made that residents of South Carolina would be committing an illegal act simply by participating in this, even if they are not the orchestrator.

That's why I suggested (including in my article) that so much of this can come down to the laws of individual states. These guys could well be violating the laws of several different states, all in one event.

[Miss Fussy]

Even when victor isn't whinging on his own channel he has to inadvertently whinge on someone else's. on a slotty d's (now casino action) pre recorded video from about 5 months ago (I saw when first came out but just thought about it again recently) you can hear victor whining from another table. I feel for the couple on the channel (they seem quite lovely) and they tried to deal with it but it was kind of funny to hear him like that.

[JeffDime]

Here is the latest jizz-rag in the space to keep and eye on. Clearly in cahoots with D Lucky. This is propaganda piece Goebbels would approve of. Gross.

Fuck you Mr. Handpay.

[2MuchFreeTime]

Victor has become a schadenfreude exhibition at my house. I’m surprised that for the most part with him taking the reigns, and no more pretty girl….his viewership has returned basically, after the initial post Sarah drop off. There are times he has more live viewers than any of the poker streams. Anyways, he’s been losing massive lately, 1,800-3,000 a stream. Victor is suffering, imo from significant gambling addiction at this point. In my prior life, I was an addiction specialist and though I didn’t deal with gambling addiction….I know an addict when I see one. (What I’m saying here is just for fun of course.) What is most notable to me at this point? He’s playing Ultimate Texas hold ‘em, and hits a straight flush, his biggest hand in months, there is basically no reaction…my observation he is getting bigger highs from losing then winning. He’s in practical ecstasy at this point when he runs bad and loses. (A small piece of course, is running bad on stream probably affirms his losses to Sarah, as I’m sure he’s dumping thousands of stream as well). According to some studies, some later stage gambling addicts had higher dopamine releases when they went on epic losing streaks vs winning a large hand, although they still aren’t sure why, and it isn’t the case across the board, one thing is that generally it happens when the addiction is pretty progressed…..which leads me to this…

The money he’s gaming with. I looked up his, paid subscriptions on YouTube and his donations, as well as what social blade estimates. (He’s losing subscribers again, apparently, down 2k this month according to social blade) . Anyways, this appears to be his and Sarah’s full time job. While, I do think the YouTube paid subscribers, the donations, the regular ads money and Patreon are giving him decent money….I don’t see how it can be enough to sustain them. Maybe someone can enlighten me. But in the last 10 days, he’s down 16-20k on the handful of live streams I just checked. Not to mention the fact, he’s gambling off stream. Does anyone know if he has a deal with the casino? I assume, he might be getting some percentage of his losses returned although I don’t know I’d he’s high enough stakes for that. Of course, they allow him to film, and I’m not sure if he gets paid as a casino promoter for them or it’s just we let you film/you give us the advertising.

Which leads me to the next thing, he’s losing so much that his comments are full of people believing the casino is cheating him lol. Normally the top comments on the post. Obviously, there’s a 0% chance they are cheating him. But the fact his followers, are convinced that he’s being cheated has to be negative for the casino, and the games he’s playing.

I saw today he was playing a table game. I’d never heard of, at a different casino, than the El Cortez. It was painfully obvious that the maker of that game, likely paid him to go play it and advertise. Just from the way he titles the video. I’ll admit, I’m extremely curious what something like that pays.


Anyways, it’s late and maybe I’ll write a bit more thoughtfully later….but I have to wonder at what point this ends up bad for El Cortez and is -EV for them. He’s not nice to the dealers, his viewers seem to think the game is rigged against him and they are cheating him (which gives me a great chuckle ngl), people see how quickly you can lose large sums of money because of his two hand play/bet sizes which “sours” (it’s killing me to use that word here) them to wanting to play (not so appealing to lose 3k in 20 minutes, def doesn’t make people want to run on down and play). But also, it’s clear he had a gambling problem, is there any chance this could lead to issues for the casino? It’s from my understanding that everyone who works at a casino is given training to be aware of problem gamblers. If they are paying him to be a rep, and he’s knowingly exhibiting signs of gambling addiction,(let’s say this hypothetically leads to financial ruin) is there any liability they could possibly have? My gut feeling is this partnership isn’t going to last much longer, tbh.

So yeah, that’s my essay. I thought for some reason Victor was my own little schadenfreude corner, so it’s interesting to see others talk about Victor and his capt—-friend, Sarah.

[Dan Druff]

Here is the latest jizz-rag in the space to keep and eye on. Clearly in cahoots with D Lucky. This is propaganda piece Goebbels would approve of. Gross.

Fuck you Mr. Handpay.

Yeah Mr. Handjob here looks like a big time shill.

The giveaway, aside from the obvious bullshit and false equivalence he's slinging, was the fact that he said he spent 3 hours with D Rucky.

The average person getting the experience gets 10 minutes.

So obviously he's either D Rucky's associate or friend. This is not a review of the typical experience. What an asshole.

[Miss Fussy]

Victor has become a schadenfreude exhibition at my house. I’m surprised that for the most part with him taking the reigns, and no more pretty girl….his viewership has returned basically, after the initial post Sarah drop off. There are times he has more live viewers than any of the poker streams. Anyways, he’s been losing massive lately, 1,800-3,000 a stream. Victor is suffering, imo from significant gambling addiction at this point. In my prior life, I was an addiction specialist and though I didn’t deal with gambling addiction….I know an addict when I see one. (What I’m saying here is just for fun of course.) What is most notable to me at this point? He’s playing Ultimate Texas hold ‘em, and hits a straight flush, his biggest hand in months, there is basically no reaction…my observation he is getting bigger highs from losing then winning. He’s in practical ecstasy at this point when he runs bad and loses. (A small piece of course, is running bad on stream probably affirms his losses to Sarah, as I’m sure he’s dumping thousands of stream as well). According to some studies, some later stage gambling addicts had higher dopamine releases when they went on epic losing streaks vs winning a large hand, although they still aren’t sure why, and it isn’t the case across the board, one thing is that generally it happens when the addiction is pretty progressed…..which leads me to this…

The money he’s gaming with. I looked up his, paid subscriptions on YouTube and his donations, as well as what social blade estimates. (He’s losing subscribers again, apparently, down 2k this month according to social blade) . Anyways, this appears to be his and Sarah’s full time job. While, I do think the YouTube paid subscribers, the donations, the regular ads money and Patreon are giving him decent money….I don’t see how it can be enough to sustain them. Maybe someone can enlighten me. But in the last 10 days, he’s down 16-20k on the handful of live streams I just checked. Not to mention the fact, he’s gambling off stream. Does anyone know if he has a deal with the casino? I assume, he might be getting some percentage of his losses returned although I don’t know I’d he’s high enough stakes for that. Of course, they allow him to film, and I’m not sure if he gets paid as a casino promoter for them or it’s just we let you film/you give us the advertising.

Which leads me to the next thing, he’s losing so much that his comments are full of people believing the casino is cheating him lol. Normally the top comments on the post. Obviously, there’s a 0% chance they are cheating him. But the fact his followers, are convinced that he’s being cheated has to be negative for the casino, and the games he’s playing.

I saw today he was playing a table game. I’d never heard of, at a different casino, than the El Cortez. It was painfully obvious that the maker of that game, likely paid him to go play it and advertise. Just from the way he titles the video. I’ll admit, I’m extremely curious what something like that pays.


Anyways, it’s late and maybe I’ll write a bit more thoughtfully later….but I have to wonder at what point this ends up bad for El Cortez and is -EV for them. He’s not nice to the dealers, his viewers seem to think the game is rigged against him and they are cheating him (which gives me a great chuckle ngl), people see how quickly you can lose large sums of money because of his two hand play/bet sizes which “sours” (it’s killing me to use that word here) them to wanting to play (not so appealing to lose 3k in 20 minutes, def doesn’t make people want to run on down and play). But also, it’s clear he had a gambling problem, is there any chance this could lead to issues for the casino? It’s from my understanding that everyone who works at a casino is given training to be aware of problem gamblers. If they are paying him to be a rep, and he’s knowingly exhibiting signs of gambling addiction,(let’s say this hypothetically leads to financial ruin) is there any liability they could possibly have? My gut feeling is this partnership isn’t going to last much longer, tbh.

So yeah, that’s my essay. I thought for some reason Victor was my own little schadenfreude corner, so it’s interesting to see others talk about Victor and his capt—-friend, Sarah.

Well said. In regards to the channel being sustained I think there is another source of money they use to keep the channel going. I don't think any potential of losses returned (which probably wouldn't be a big enough amount) along with everything else you have mentioned in regards to money coming in, comes close to what they gamble away. What that other source or sources are I don't know. There's been some rumours I have heard which includes Sarah being a trust fund baby (I have seen no merit in that one). I remember not too long ago Victor joked about how he got the money to gamble by stealing it from his mum's purse. My first thought was that it was a joke disguised as the truth but quickly realised that there would have had to been a shitload of money unless he was taking it over time. Or maybe they are simply getting paid by the El Cortez, but either way I feel there is a big hole in what is spent vs what comes in and you would be correct is saying it is their full time job. Sarah has been saying for years she's a full time youtuber and if I recall correctly, Victor said in a video a month or two ago that you don't need a job to gamble - something to that effect.