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Brian Christopher actually threw slot hustlers a bone. But it was probably a manufacturer's design not known by him. I recently ran across a bank of Brian Christopher slots. A pic of the game is below. It's not the main game that is exploitable. It's the Mystery Progressives up at the top of the machine.

Must Hit By $50
Must Hit By $300
Must Hit By $1000

From what I've seen so far it looks like random selection. They are $12 meters meaning it takes $12 of action to move the meters one penny. I was able to get the reset numbers on youtube. They were surprisingly high. The $1000 meter resets to $976.40. That would mean the average hit would be $988.

It's a shared revenue game which generally means payback in the mid to high 80's.

I assigned a 20% drop on payback between 1K hits and calculated that I would play when the number is at $92.50 or higher. It takes only about 1.4 cycles to put it on that number which is a fairly frequent occurrance.

Disclaimer: The progressive meters may travel at different speeds in your neck of the woods....which would mean different playable numbers.

PS: As graphics go on modern machines this one sux.
Yeah that art work is pretty goofy lol

Just a rough guess, what would you say the break even number is? $985?


Thanks for posting this.
I made a typo in the post where I wrote the playable number was $92.50. That number should read $992.50. I think the breakeven number is probably in the neighborhood of $992.

With a shared revenue game we might have an overall payback of 87%. So what is the 1K meter worth as far as payback goes?

Starts at 976.4. It take $12 in action to move the meter one penny. That's $1200 per one dollar meter movement. Percentage wise it's a .00083333% meter.

Average hit would be halfway between $976.4 and 1000 so $988.20. That would be meter movement of $11.80.

11.8 X 1200 means it takes $14,160 in action to move the meter to $988.20

Dividing 988.20 by 14,160 means the 1K meter represents 7% of the payback.

Subtracting that 7% from the assigned value of the game, 87% means an 80% return between meter hits. That means a 20% drop/cost between meter hits.

If you were to enter the game at $992 the average hit would be $996. That's $4 meter movement. At $1200 in action per dollar movement it's a $4800 wager.

4800 X 20% = $960. It would pay $988 so just an average $28 profit. The breakeven would be somewhere between $991 and $992.

With an entry point of $993 the average cost would be reduced to $840 with an average pay of $996.50. So $126.50 in equity.

With an entry point of $994 the cost would be just $720 or $274 in equity.

This is all based on the game having an 87% overall return. The game may carry a little higher payback. If so then these playable numbers would show a much bigger profit.

But the game may be as low as 85%. If that's the case the breakeven number would be up around $992.50.