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    Quote Originally Posted by PositiveVariance View Post
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    Brian Christopher actually threw slot hustlers a bone. But it was probably a manufacturer's design not known by him. I recently ran across a bank of Brian Christopher slots. A pic of the game is below. It's not the main game that is exploitable. It's the Mystery Progressives up at the top of the machine.

    Must Hit By $50
    Must Hit By $300
    Must Hit By $1000

    From what I've seen so far it looks like random selection. They are $12 meters meaning it takes $12 of action to move the meters one penny. I was able to get the reset numbers on youtube. They were surprisingly high. The $1000 meter resets to $976.40. That would mean the average hit would be $988.

    It's a shared revenue game which generally means payback in the mid to high 80's.

    I assigned a 20% drop on payback between 1K hits and calculated that I would play when the number is at $92.50 or higher. It takes only about 1.4 cycles to put it on that number which is a fairly frequent occurrance.

    Disclaimer: The progressive meters may travel at different speeds in your neck of the woods....which would mean different playable numbers.

    PS: As graphics go on modern machines this one sux.
    Yeah that art work is pretty goofy lol

    Just a rough guess, what would you say the break even number is? $985?


    Thanks for posting this.
    I made a typo in the post where I wrote the playable number was $92.50. That number should read $992.50. I think the breakeven number is probably in the neighborhood of $992.

    With a shared revenue game we might have an overall payback of 87%. So what is the 1K meter worth as far as payback goes?

    Starts at 976.4. It take $12 in action to move the meter one penny. That's $1200 per one dollar meter movement. Percentage wise it's a .00083333% meter.

    Average hit would be halfway between $976.4 and 1000 so $988.20. That would be meter movement of $11.80.

    11.8 X 1200 means it takes $14,160 in action to move the meter to $988.20

    Dividing 988.20 by 14,160 means the 1K meter represents 7% of the payback.

    Subtracting that 7% from the assigned value of the game, 87% means an 80% return between meter hits. That means a 20% drop/cost between meter hits.

    If you were to enter the game at $992 the average hit would be $996. That's $4 meter movement. At $1200 in action per dollar movement it's a $4800 wager.

    4800 X 20% = $960. It would pay $988 so just an average $28 profit. The breakeven would be somewhere between $991 and $992.

    With an entry point of $993 the average cost would be reduced to $840 with an average pay of $996.50. So $126.50 in equity.

    With an entry point of $994 the cost would be just $720 or $274 in equity.

    This is all based on the game having an 87% overall return. The game may carry a little higher payback. If so then these playable numbers would show a much bigger profit.

    But the game may be as low as 85%. If that's the case the breakeven number would be up around $992.50.

     
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    Mickey, do you have a book where you have all the “playable numbers” written down?

    Or for the most part do you memorize the “minimum playable numbers” on the exploitable machines?

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    I don’t play must hits but I find them very interesting. I know the basic theory, but have never calculated the numbers for one.

    Mickey, I see you deducted 7% from the house edge for the equity between 1k hits. It took me a minute to think about this, I do realize why this is done now (Your getting the equity at the end when you hit the must hit. If you don’t minus it during coin-in, you will be getting it twice). Is it common for people to forget to minus the equity for the must hit from the house edge?

    I notice in this article below he doesn’t do it. This can easily make a -EV play appear to be +EV right?

    https://www.advantageslots.com/must-...u-should-play/
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    Quote Originally Posted by PositiveVariance View Post
    I don’t play must hits but I find them very interesting. I know the basic theory, but have never calculated the numbers for one.

    Mickey, I see you deducted 7% from the house edge for the equity between 1k hits. It took me a minute to think about this, I do realize why this is done now (Your getting the equity at the end when you hit the must hit. If you don’t minus it during coin-in, you will be getting it twice). Is it common for people to forget to minus the equity for the must hit from the house edge?

    I notice in this article below he doesn’t do it. This can easily make a -EV play appear to be +EV right?

    https://www.advantageslots.com/must-...u-should-play/
    He's off a little because he's counting the equity in the minor meter twice. He figures the overall payback at 85%. So he put up this equation:

    2500 X .85% = 2125

    But the equation should be:

    2500 X 83.8% = 2095

    Because the minor meter is worth 1.2% of the overall payback.

    The minor meter starts at $250 and must hit by $500. The average hit is $375. The meter moves $1 dollar per $250 wager. So the meter has to move $125 to move it to $375.

    125 X 250 = 31250
    375/31250 = 1.2%
    85% minus 1.2% = 83.8%

    He's not discounting that 1.2% out before he figures the cost to spin it off.

     
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    One last question, I realize by including the equity twice, it obviously effected the end Expected Value. But let’s say he makes that same mistake, but on the 1k meter on the Brian Christopher machine.

    Your example:
    4800 x 20% = $960 - $988 = $28 profit

    Forgetting to take out the equity:
    4800 x 13% = $624 - $988 = $364 profit (overstates equity)

    If he were to do the math on the same Brian Christopher, 1k meter, he would incorrectly conclude there would be $364 in equity, when there is actually only $28.

    Questions:
    The guy that runs that website presents himself as an expert. How can an expert make this “mistake”?

    How can he be a successful slot AP if he is doing the calculations to determine equity incorrectly?

    Isn’t it the exact same formula to calculate all the must hits?

    If he calculates equity the same as in the example on the site, I would have to assume he is doing it this way every time he does the math to determine if a machine has positive equity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PositiveVariance View Post
    One last question, I realize by including the equity twice, it obviously effected the end Expected Value. But let’s say he makes that same mistake, but on the 1k meter on the Brian Christopher machine.

    Your example:
    4800 x 20% = $960 - $988 = $28 profit

    Forgetting to take out the equity:
    4800 x 13% = $624 - $988 = $364 profit (overstates equity)

    If he were to do the math on the same Brian Christopher, 1k meter, he would incorrectly conclude there would be $364 in equity, when there is actually only $28.

    Questions:
    The guy that runs that website presents himself as an expert. How can an expert make this “mistake”?

    How can he be a successful slot AP if he is doing the calculations to determine equity incorrectly?

    Isn’t it the exact same formula to calculate all the must hits?

    If he calculates equity the same as in the example on the site, I would have to assume he is doing it this way every time he does the math to determine if a machine has positive equity.
    A mistake like that is magnified on the Brian Christopher slot because that 1K meter represents 7% of the payback whereas the 500 meter that Advantage Play calculated represents only 1.2% of the payback.

    Meter speed is huge in progressive slots. The bigger the bettor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PositiveVariance View Post
    Mickey, do you have a book where you have all the “playable numbers” written down?

    Or for the most part do you memorize the “minimum playable numbers” on the exploitable machines?
    I have reference material for a lot of games that I wrote myself. For some games I'll put it in an email and gmail it to myself. Then I just move it to the archives and I can pull it up on my phone anytime I want to. My phone or computer can crash but I still have the gmail account.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by PositiveVariance View Post
    Mickey, do you have a book where you have all the “playable numbers” written down?

    Or for the most part do you memorize the “minimum playable numbers” on the exploitable machines?
    I have reference material for a lot of games that I wrote myself. For some games I'll put it in an email and gmail it to myself. Then I just move it to the archives and I can pull it up on my phone anytime I want to. My phone or computer can crash but I still have the gmail account.
    You can email it all to me, I will keep it safe for you :-)

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel72 View Post

    Not able to see this post but as far as these two go…. Pretty easy to surmise that Sarah didn’t enjoy gambling & all the bullshit she had to deal with the crazy simps. They both were able to enjoy the easy money & certainly weren’t going to get real jobs. They came to this agreement that Sarah would pass the torch to Victor. They both agreed that as obvious as it all was, they were going to deny that “Jenny” was Victor the whole time & were going to play the “I don’t discuss my relationship status card”.

    Through this they showed what absolute spoiled brats they really are. If you look at the thumbnails the torch has been successfully passed to Victor. He is a stone Degen so she surely keeps him on a strict gambling budget. Looks like boring ass nonsense. But wish them well. They def suck, but they are not robbing people like Slotty D or doing fake group pulls like Filthy Slots. So I say let them be.

    My epilogue on these two momos…

    I have to give credit to the creation of Slot Lady. It was most likely Victor but whoever cooked it up…it was clearly a great idea. As to the denial of the relationship. I think it was-two fold. On one hand they didn’t want to lose any simps. But on the other, they both truly believed they were righteous because they convinced themselves that people were wrongly “invading” their privacy.

    Nope, if your going to take all that Simp cheddar your relationship status is a completely fair question. There is always a price everyone who puts their life out on the internet for financial gain must pay. That’s why I don’t like them. Brats. Just spoiled fucking brats.

    But there is true scumbaggery in the slot community. Criminal stuff. Actual theft. So these two can go on with their clearly transactional artificial relationship & be happy as clams (Just my read…if not for this channel these two would have been toast years ago). But we got bigger fish to fry….& hopefully filet.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffDime View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel72 View Post

    Not able to see this post but as far as these two go…. Pretty easy to surmise that Sarah didn’t enjoy gambling & all the bullshit she had to deal with the crazy simps. They both were able to enjoy the easy money & certainly weren’t going to get real jobs. They came to this agreement that Sarah would pass the torch to Victor. They both agreed that as obvious as it all was, they were going to deny that “Jenny” was Victor the whole time & were going to play the “I don’t discuss my relationship status card”.

    Through this they showed what absolute spoiled brats they really are. If you look at the thumbnails the torch has been successfully passed to Victor. He is a stone Degen so she surely keeps him on a strict gambling budget. Looks like boring ass nonsense. But wish them well. They def suck, but they are not robbing people like Slotty D or doing fake group pulls like Filthy Slots. So I say let them be.

    My epilogue on these two momos…

    I have to give credit to the creation of Slot Lady. It was most likely Victor but whoever cooked it up…it was clearly a great idea. As to the denial of the relationship. I think it was-two fold. On one hand they didn’t want to lose any simps. But on the other, they both truly believed they were righteous because they convinced themselves that people were wrongly “invading” their privacy.

    Nope, if your going to take all that Simp cheddar your relationship status is a completely fair question. There is always a price everyone who puts their life out on the internet for financial gain must pay. That’s why I don’t like them. Brats. Just spoiled fucking brats.

    But there is true scumbaggery in the slot community. Criminal stuff. Actual theft. So these two can go on with their clearly transactional artificial relationship & be happy as clams (Just my read…if not for this channel these two would have been toast years ago). But we got bigger fish to fry….& hopefully filet.
    I always thought they were siblings because they look the same. You don't need to be an attractive female to get a huge following in this niche. The top 3 slot streamers on YouTube are male and one of them is a homosexual. I like Victor much better than Sarah because he is a real degenerate and gambling addict.

    Based on what other slot YouTubers have revealed on their income, I am guessing they make between $30,000-$50,000 month. Victor probably dusts off 25-50% of that to be able to keep producing more content. But maybe he has a sweetheart deal with the El Cortez and gets a % of his losses back.

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    Major correction to post 411…

    They def suck, but they are not robbing people like Slotty D or doing fake group pulls like Filthy Slots. So I say let them be.

    D Lucky is the guy robbing people not Slotty D who apparently is some random chick who seems to just have a normal slot/table game channel. My bad. I got to say I watched my first D Lucky video because it was a short and it was so creepy & cringe…I am going to hit the shower right after this post. Amazing this guy was going to have a slot tournament at the fucking Wynn. Crazy times. This little short might make you puke. This guy is as creepy as it gets. Just a few minutes and I’m sure you will get the same vibe. This scumbag needs to not only be shutdown, but needs to face criminal/civil action.


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    Has there been any info posted about Lady Luck HQ? Is she as shady as I think she is? I have seen vlogs of her pushing the very questionable online Chumba Casino. If you are familiar with this online casino, then you know that they have ads with pictures of hllbillies holding up massive 5 and 6 figure checks for winning on their slot machines. The funny part to me is that when the photos were snapped, none of these people look happy. In fact, they look constipated! I went to their site and read the rules etc. In order for a person to receive monies won, they have to submit a copy of their bank statement for the entire month. Every page of the statement must be submitted. That means copies of any persoanl checks that you have written. Who in their right mind would give these scammers located in Malta this information? I used Google Maps tafter finding an address for them. What popped up was literally a run down house in a very shady area i might add.

    I have hundreds of reviews written by people who claim that they never received the winnngs. They basically were given the run around over and over. Some of these people that wrte the reviews were prerry much dumb asses but most were not. Chumba does not have a published phone number. That in itself is not good.

    Lady Luck HQ has been making pre-recorded videos and live videos playing slot machines on their site. I called her out on it on her YT channel about 6 months ago. I was surprised that she did not delete my comment. In fact, she answered it and said the site was legitimate. I do not believe the site is legitimate except for ripping people off and taking their every last dollar.

    What does that say about Lady Luck's reputation? You know that she is receiving money for leading slot addicts to their site. Plus on YT, it appears that she only posts winning sessions when playing slot machines in real casinos as well as the online nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pickleball View Post
    Has there been any info posted about Lady Luck HQ? Is she as shady as I think she is? I have seen vlogs of her pushing the very questionable online Chumba Casino. If you are familiar with this online casino, then you know that they have ads with pictures of hllbillies holding up massive 5 and 6 figure checks for winning on their slot machines. The funny part to me is that when the photos were snapped, none of these people look happy. In fact, they look constipated! I went to their site and read the rules etc. In order for a person to receive monies won, they have to submit a copy of their bank statement for the entire month. Every page of the statement must be submitted. That means copies of any persoanl checks that you have written. Who in their right mind would give these scammers located in Malta this information? I used Google Maps tafter finding an address for them. What popped up was literally a run down house in a very shady area i might add.

    I have hundreds of reviews written by people who claim that they never received the winnngs. They basically were given the run around over and over. Some of these people that wrte the reviews were prerry much dumb asses but most were not. Chumba does not have a published phone number. That in itself is not good.

    Lady Luck HQ has been making pre-recorded videos and live videos playing slot machines on their site. I called her out on it on her YT channel about 6 months ago. I was surprised that she did not delete my comment. In fact, she answered it and said the site was legitimate. I do not believe the site is legitimate except for ripping people off and taking their every last dollar.

    What does that say about Lady Luck's reputation? You know that she is receiving money for leading slot addicts to their site. Plus on YT, it appears that she only posts winning sessions when playing slot machines in real casinos as well as the online nonsense.
    I don’t personally know much about that specific online casino. But I do know ladyLuckHQ is bringing in an absurd amount of money on a monthly basis.

    In this thread post #306 (page 16) I posted 2 videos that she made of the breakdown of just her YouTube and Facebook revenue. The videos were made 2 years ago when she had 120k subs.

    YouTube: $48,000/ MONTH
    Facebook: $21,000/Month
    Total $69,000/Month

    2 years later she has more than DOUBLE the amount of subs at 292k
    Adjusting for her current numbers:
    $167,000/MONTH. Not year, a MONTH

    Add in all other revenue sources and I wouldn’t be surprised if she’s over 250k Month.


    She’s obviously getting a huge revenue share/sign up bonus from the Rubes that sign up for the online casino, but every video she makes where she is not feeding $100’s into a real B&M slot, is money saved, since the money she wins or loses on the online slot doesn’t cost her anything.



    I do wonder how she is getting away with promoting this online casino, since YouTube doesn’t allow it. I haven’t looked at her page since I posted that last thread with the videos.

    Does she send you the link like Chrissy Mitchell does?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PositiveVariance View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Pickleball View Post
    Has there been any info posted about Lady Luck HQ? Is she as shady as I think she is? I have seen vlogs of her pushing the very questionable online Chumba Casino. If you are familiar with this online casino, then you know that they have ads with pictures of hllbillies holding up massive 5 and 6 figure checks for winning on their slot machines. The funny part to me is that when the photos were snapped, none of these people look happy. In fact, they look constipated! I went to their site and read the rules etc. In order for a person to receive monies won, they have to submit a copy of their bank statement for the entire month. Every page of the statement must be submitted. That means copies of any persoanl checks that you have written. Who in their right mind would give these scammers located in Malta this information? I used Google Maps tafter finding an address for them. What popped up was literally a run down house in a very shady area i might add.

    I have hundreds of reviews written by people who claim that they never received the winnngs. They basically were given the run around over and over. Some of these people that wrte the reviews were prerry much dumb asses but most were not. Chumba does not have a published phone number. That in itself is not good.

    Lady Luck HQ has been making pre-recorded videos and live videos playing slot machines on their site. I called her out on it on her YT channel about 6 months ago. I was surprised that she did not delete my comment. In fact, she answered it and said the site was legitimate. I do not believe the site is legitimate except for ripping people off and taking their every last dollar.

    What does that say about Lady Luck's reputation? You know that she is receiving money for leading slot addicts to their site. Plus on YT, it appears that she only posts winning sessions when playing slot machines in real casinos as well as the online nonsense.
    I don’t personally know much about that specific online casino. But I do know ladyLuckHQ is bringing in an absurd amount of money on a monthly basis.

    In this thread post #306 (page 16) I posted 2 videos that she made of the breakdown of just her YouTube and Facebook revenue. The videos were made 2 years ago when she had 120k subs.

    YouTube: $48,000/ MONTH
    Facebook: $21,000/Month
    Total $69,000/Month

    2 years later she has more than DOUBLE the amount of subs at 292k
    Adjusting for her current numbers:
    $167,000/MONTH. Not year, a MONTH

    Add in all other revenue sources and I wouldn’t be surprised if she’s over 250k Month.


    She’s obviously getting a huge revenue share/sign up bonus from the Rubes that sign up for the online casino, but every video she makes where she is not feeding $100’s into a real B&M slot, is money saved, since the money she wins or loses on the online slot doesn’t cost her anything.



    I do wonder how she is getting away with promoting this online casino, since YouTube doesn’t allow it. I haven’t looked at her page since I posted that last thread with the videos.

    Does she send you the link like Chrissy Mitchell does?
    Yes she provides a link under the vlog and encourages her subscribers to check out the site and sign up. I was a subscriber to her channel a year or so ago. After she started making live videos while playing their online slot machines, and promoting Chumba Casino, I called her out on it and unsubscribed. She replied in the comments to me and was very cordial. I still did not believe her about the reputation of Chumba. Especially the people who held up an exaggerated size check for up to 6 figures. You would think that they would be grinning from ear to ear but honestly they looked like they couldn't wait to be done with the photo session. I got the feeling that they were being paid a meager amount of money to pose with the bogus check. I just did a search for those online pictures with the sour faces while holding up large checks. I guess they removed those non-smling pictures and the new pictures are much improved. Still the guy is not exactly jumping for joy! Name:  045C9608-EADF-49DC-A307-77A8A01A6011.jpeg
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    That looks like the old " now if I can win another two hundred, I'll be almost even!" look.

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    I’ve never been on TikTok in my life but EZ has done more of God’s work here. It’s truly amazing to see how slot channels becoming normalized opened up this huge area of exploitation. Eventually every platform & angle will be exploited. It comes full circle and the casinos eventually have to shut all recording down and you can even see poker vloggers being effected. This is some grimy grimy stuff.

    But if you think about it poker has all these staking sites now. To my knowledge there has not been a big scandal and they seem to be operating above board. But it does remind me why people actually send money to these slot scammers for group pulls. The poker community is far more educated & well policed than these totally unschooled marks. But at the end of the day everyone is looking for the same thing…a sweat.


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffDime View Post
    I’ve never been on TikTok in my life but EZ has done more of God’s work here. It’s truly amazing to see how slot channels becoming normalized opened up this huge area of exploitation. Eventually every platform & angle will be exploited. It comes full circle and the casinos eventually have to shut all recording down and you can even see poker vloggers being effected. This is some grimy grimy stuff.

    But if you think about it poker has all these staking sites now. To my knowledge there has not been a big scandal and they seem to be operating above board. But it does remind me why people actually send money to these slot scammers for group pulls. The poker community is far more educated & well policed than these totally unschooled marks. But at the end of the day everyone is looking for the same thing…a sweat.

    Article written and submitted. I would expect it to be published Monday, if not tomorrow; Sunday would be doubtful.

    I agree with most of what EZ Life says in principle, but I do disagree with his blanket assertion that these sorts of group pulls are categorically illegal (I think they could occasionally be legal, depending on the circumstances); EZ also drops terms like, "Money Laundering," and, "WIRE Act," which I would think are almost never applicable, and potentially inapplicable, respectively. Certainly, for the WIRE Act to even theoretically come into play would require it to be an interstate transaction, which is probably is usually, but is not necessarily.

    EZ Life also stated, or strongly implied, that for one person to send another money for the purpose of gambling is itself illegal and I do not believe that statement is absolutely true. My article will offer an example of an extremely vanilla transaction where it would be hard to argue that an illegal act has taken place.

    Anyway, I can appreciate what EZ Life does in this video, and agree with a lot of what he says, but wouldn't want to take things so far that we're putting the fear of God in people when it comes to perfectly lawful acts, as well.

    ADDED: Oh, yes, I also link to this thread and to EZ Life's video, of course. It's not really my concern, but I think this might have been better to be its own thread only because Slotlady's handle is in the subject of this one, so that sort of indirectly links her to this sort of behavior.

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