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    Exclamation Cloudbet Confiscating $15,000 In Bitcoin Cash (67BCH) Deposited By Efxes For USA Citizenship Documentation KYC

    this is a long post, please see the twoplustwo thread: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/4...s-kyc-1779353/

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    i initially lied about being in mexico and only having the one winning account but in reality i had ana ccount 18 months prior to this that was a USA account but they stopped accepting USA customers whil ei was betting ther eand kicked me off because of it
    so i VPN'd in 18 months later, won a bunch of money, they banned me and said they didn't owe me any money back. I deposited around 80 BCH and went to withdraw 67 BCH and they're confiscating all of it. Here's some of the info. I made a mistake lying about Mexico initially and it only being my one account. I shouldn't have lied initially but looking back it seems extremely common that people make up a story desperate to get paid what they feel is rightly theirs. Details below.


    I had an account 18 months before I made the efxes@producehits.com account. I hadn't bet at the site for 18 months and since I'm being truthful about EVERYTHING, one day I received a message when I went to log in that the account was closed or something due to being a USA customer.

    So 18 months later I made the efxes@producehits.com account on a VPN. I had never been KYC'd before.

    According to my tallies via my emails, example screenshot here:






    you can look at full transaction histories and tallies here from johncoltrane44@gmail.com 18 months before i opened the efxes account about 3 months ago: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing


    In total I tallied that I made 198 deposits and 37 withdrawals and

    Lost 2.6858 (negative -2.6858 BTC)

    Cloudbet: please feel free to verify the transaction history on that account. Here's a screenshot of one of the emails i used to tally this up.





    Here's the tallies from the official spreadsheet of the efxes@producehits.com account, sent to me by head of customer service:






    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing





    Here's what 10.7 bch is worth in bitcoin:





    So I am up 1.75 bitcoins total (that is including the value of the bch) in the Efxes@producehits.com account.



    I am down -2.6858 according to cloudbet's calculations in the johncoltrane44@gmail.com account.



    This puts me as a lifetime loser on cloudbet at



    1.75 profit minus 2.6858 losses











    I am adding the screenshots of each email to each line in the spreadsheet to verify that these emails are real. I am requesting that Cloudbet verify my lifetime losses on johncoltrane44@gmail.com over the 2-3 years I had the account. I made 198 deposits and 37 withdrawals and lost a total of 2.68 bitcoins there.



    Again:

    Unofficial johncoltrane44@gmail.com from 2017-2019 account deposits and withdrawals

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

    All email screenshots are being included, all 198 deposit email screenshots and 37 withdrawal screenshots.



    Official efxes@producehits.com from 6/22/20 to 9/22/20 here direct from Cloudbet:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing




    [size=24pt]So if this is the case, I was a long-time loyal customer 18 months before before I even thought to use a VPN in order to play on Cloudbet. They closed my account since I used it from USA. I shouldn't have, but I opened an account 18 months later in order to finally get back on Cloudbet. So yes, I had two accounts. But looking at my johncoltrane44@gmail.com account i had lost 2.7 bitcoins there anyways. So I'm down overall on the site so this means that I should be due my money back.[/size]




    If you don't want to click into the spreadsheet and you want to see all the proof of the deposits and withdrawals on the johncoltrane44@gmail.com

    here is the imgur post with 240 deposits from 2017 to January of 2019
    [size=20pt]https://imgur.com/a/cKScZIG[/size]


    Last edited by Efxes; 10-12-2020 at 08:05 AM.

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    You can follow this thread even though it's a mess with me initially just saying i have been in mexico desperate to get paid back what i deposited to the site that day.


    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5277995.new#new

    and in the official cloudbet thread everyone has flagged cloudbet because there's a bunch of other upset people about them confiscating my deposits. It's money I couldn't afford to lose. Here's why:


    Link to this below confession post here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?to...73#msg55353973

    Confession:
    OK guys, this is me coming clean. I'm an honest person and this whole case and the money lost has been eating me up inside. I haven't been honest about multiple things so it's time to come clean. I don't agree with freerolling a winning account's last deposits, and as a human being I can justify so many things and rationalize so many things in my head. But I can't stay in a lie, I am a free spirited musician and enjoy just living a peaceful life. So I have to confess multiple things to you guys, and I wish I did this from the start- I was desperate to get my money back and didn't know if I could get it back any other way. Money doesn't come easy to me.


    1. i have never been to Mexico in my life. I have been playing out of San Francisco area the whole time through VPN.
    2. I'm a well-known poker player in the bitcoin community that goes by tennisCHAMP or tennis known as an all out degen. Used to be dice, but for the longest time it's been sports. I quit casino gambling a long time ago and I figured out how to pretty consistently win at tennis betting at the higher levels like ATP and WTA and Grand Slam. I've won SWC Poker BigBTC and streaming challenges for thousands in bitcoin , and I've been into bitcoin more than anything ever since I arrived there. I used to vlog a bit and I was driving full time Uber for years here in SF. $15,000 is a fortune to me and it scares me how much I was willing to lie about in order to get paid (even if I feel it's rightly mine, lying just isn't me and I couldn't really keep going with this without unravelling).

    3. I had an account a couple years ago on Cloudbet and they banned me for being a USA IP with no money in the account one day they just said we don't accept you, so I started VPN'ing in after a couple years off the site. I had lost so many bitcoins it was unbelievable.

    4. I sent in real documents from USA, thinking they'd just give me my money back and ban me from the site. That was not the case, so I started panicking and sent them in the fake note and stuff about Mexico. This really crossed my threshold for how far I was willing to go and I lost it after I sent in the utility bill with the changed address- I don't like dealing with fake documents and doing this stuff.


    5. The reality is that as I mentioned, I have been a tennis teacher and an Uber driver and a starving musician for years. A year and a half ago my Nissan Leaf got hit and I got an insurance check for $8,000 which I ran up to $150,000 in bitcoin on Nitrogen Sports within a few days betting tennis. I bet like $5,000 on Fabio Fognini to beat Nadal in the semi's of Monte Carlo and he hit straight sets and moneyline and I won like $75,000.. Nitrogen Sports has since severely limited my 2001 account (one of the first to register to Nitrogen Sports through Bitcointalk). I won and lost all that money within only 3 days, never even really cashing out to USD and a week later that money would have been worth $450,000. I've not had a day go by where I don't think about the money I missed out on every hour, especially being so job skill-less and only really having played poker and bet sports as a means of possibly some day making good money (though I do make websites and am getting better at that). When I just ran up $1,300 into $40,000 in a week at Cloudbet, constantly withdrawing in order to secure all the funds and re-depositing, I thought I'd never look back again. I was doing quite well managing but when I had the $15,000 stolen from Cloudbet, I went on tilt and lost the remaining $15,000 and am now back to square one as always have been my entire 34 years of existence.

    6. I am cloudbetscamsDOTCOM on bitcointalk and the person who put up cloudbetscams.com after being advised by people who dealt with the 330btc scam case from Cloudbet and other people in the poker community who said my only real recourse is to go out Cloudbet from all angles in order to hope to get their attention and get paid. The more shady stuff I uncovered, the more enraged I got and I really want people to know not to deposit to this site because of these things. I don't know what's going to happen with the site but I need to come completely clean.





    Now:
    Cloudbet, I will give you permission to post everything you want about me. I am well known as 'tennis' from SWC Poker and in the bitcoin community. Some people will recognize me if they are OG poker players. So I'm not really fearing anything. I feel awful about lying, not to you guys but to myself (and also to you guys). So I'm coming clean mostly because I live such a clean life free of doing bad stuff, I have so many interests and hobbies, degenerate sports betting is jsut one of them. Though I'm becoming massively sharp at betting tennis I will admit- every other sport I lose loads at. And I don't really even beat poker any more, though I do have an occasional God run on stream with people cheering me on at SWC poker.

    Cloudbet: feel free to post the information you need to the public about my USA IP's, as I admit I have never even been to Mexico in my life. I was born in Brazil and it's always been a dream to get back there, but I haven't done much traveling except for jazz band tours and stuff all over Europe having played with BB King and stuff in Switzerland in a fluke but was so fun, I'm a professional saxophonist and beat maker.

    You can post the transaction histories to clear that up, Idunno about posting my home IP but you can feel free to post the general locations all that to show that i was in the USA.



    Beyond that, I still feel that I should be paid. I hope I am not upsetting people and I should have been forthright from the start. Money can truly bring out the worst in people, and it did in me. I wanted to say anything just to get paid because I thought I was justified. I felt like the angles and laws surrounding them preying on me for the TOS was not fair. Waiting for me to deposit a large sum, I was obviously trying to leave a dent in their book- so they played the we can actually legally steal this money back.

    But this is about the confession and the go ahead to release all the information. Like I said, I used to vlog as 'tennis' in the bitcoin community documenting my uber driving and saxophone playing and music making. Only a few people saw those but in general i'm not scared of a little fame or notoriety. I still feel I'm owed the deposits on the account and I hope that the community will agree with me on that. It's not fair to freeroll USA players so in my mind I justified lying to everyone, even if not so well on purpose, about being in "mexico" and stuff.


    I'm here to answer any questions all week now that I'm being honest. The monkey is off my back.

    I apologize to everyone. To SBR, to Twoplustwo, to Bitcointalk. It was not right for me to say wahtever i needed to say in order to try and get the money back. I still feel that I should be owed every penny. It's not fair.



    I'm here to answer any and all questions you have and giving Cloudbet the go ahead to release whatever they need to the public about why I shouldn't be due my deposits back. I still feel that I am owed them.

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    Including the 67bch ($15,000) that's being withheld from me, and then factoring in the fact that I owe them 0.26 BTC ($3,000) for a misgrade, I am down approximately $25k to the site. if they release these funds to me i will still be down approximately $11k (.9btc+) to the site. thus, their statement that i rcvd more in deposits than withdrawals is FALSE. i have proof, screenshots, showing that this is false. i apologize for lying in the beginning, i was scared, but now i am being completely truthful and showing proof. i am willing to take as long as it takes to resolve this, and would appreciate any kind words or support from anyone


    and i understand that i may not get anything back but i still hold my claim, and will forever hold it, unless they resolve this with me.

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    So long story short. You were on the site betting when you admit you shouldn’t have been. Attempted to circumvent their denial of US Players (which is kinda funny to me when they are using crypto which by definition of the US Govt Doesn’t equate to currency). You knew what you were doing. You couldn’t have been naive of how sites have handled situations like yours in the past. If this was even on one of those TV judge shows it would be a slam dunk “Judgement for the Defendant” (Cloudbet).

    Side note people give me shit for my rambling bouncing off the walls posts but damn I think you made me look totally coherent and logically even at my worse.

     
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      shoeshine box: Yes,sad story for sure. Alas no recourse, he broke the rules and his $ was seized. Gd lk tho.

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    VIP emails from the first account 2 years ago

    Look at all these VIP emails. They got me hooked on the site 2 years ago and then told USA customers they had to leave , so I made a new account 18 months later , the last time i did anything on the site was january 2019 then i made an account in I think June of 2020 and used VPN. Then I won some money, withdrew, and wound up re-depositing a few times, and then the last deposit has been confiscated (67 BCH or about $15,000 has been confiscated minus a .26 bitcoin mis-grade).


    Here's an imgur post with some VIP emails like below on the first account from VIP account manager Andy
    https://imgur.com/a/UyE5lng




    Last edited by Efxes; 10-13-2020 at 04:25 PM.

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    TL;DR Cliffs:

    - OP is USA citizen depositing on a offshore site that prohibits USA players as of 18+ months ago, using a VPN.

    -Site closes OP's account and confiscates funds because they say he's a USA player VPNing.

    -OP creates threads across multiple poker/gambling forums lying to everyone that he's in Mexico.

    -OP comes clean and admits he's lying and still wants his funds.

    -Site is refusing to refund OP for any deposits and confiscating all winnings.



    Conclusion:

    OP is an idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AhoosierA View Post
    TL;DR Cliffs:

    - OP is USA citizen depositing on a offshore site that prohibits USA players as of 18+ months ago, using a VPN.

    -Site closes OP's account and confiscates funds because they say he's a USA player VPNing.

    -OP creates threads across multiple poker/gambling forums lying to everyone that he's in Mexico.

    -OP comes clean and admits he's lying and still wants his funds.

    -Site is refusing to refund OP for any deposits and confiscating all winnings.



    Conclusion:

    OP is an idiot.
    Very fair statement. Let's be friends..

    Please look at the fact sthat you left out: I was a losing player on their site and they're confiscating my deposits because they say I won on the site, but I am actually down a lot on the site. They were actively recruiting me with a VIP manager Andy before I got kicked off for being a USA customer when they started banning USA customers after already having an acccount there for a couple years.

    So therefor with those new facts they should really return the money I sent them the same day I requested the cashout.

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    [quote author=Cloudbet link=topic=333552.msg49817125#msg49817125 date=1550572558]
    Hi all,

    There has been some discontent in the forums and we would like to take this opportunity to clear a few issues up.

    Firstly, please be reminded that Cloudbet does NOT accept any USA players.

    USA players are blocked from registering accounts, and are blocked from making bets. If any player from USA attempts to make an account, they see a message saying USA players are prohibited and are not able to sign up.

    To reiterate, players from USA are NOT allowed on Cloudbet.

    If we have strong reason to believe that a player has deliberately and willingly circumvented our terms of service by connecting from USA (or another restricted territory), we freeze their account while we conduct an investigation, and ask the player to provide documentation on their residency. Please note that this is only when we strongly suspect that a player has connected from USA, ie, there is specific evidence to suggest this.

    In most cases, the player is cooperative and provides us with accurate documentation about their account and residency. If they are a USA resident, we close their account permanently, and return their account balance. This has been the case with several vocal users in the forum. Sometimes this can take some time, as every case is slightly different, but is always resolved eventually provided the player furnishes us with accurate information.

    If they are connecting from a non-restricted country, we reopen their account and they can resume using their account without limitation.

    Please note that in all cases where the player has cooperated, they have received their entire account balance, and had their accounts closed only if they were connecting from a prohibited jurisdiction (or there was a separate unrelated issue). If any forum members in this situation would come forward and confirm receipt of their account balances in full, this would be appreciated.

    However - on rare occasions, the player is NOT cooperative and provides us with deliberately falsified or fraudulent information. In these cases, our investigations are significantly more complicated and time consuming.


    There is one specific case that has received a lot of attention from the community - Swofty - as the dollar amount is particularly large. Here is our comment on the case:

    • [li]As we have a duty of privacy to all of our players, we are limited in what we can share. The player may have shared some details, but we are not able to share any specifics or personal data.[/li]

      [li]That said, we can share definitively that the player has knowingly and deliberately provided untruthful, falsified and fraudulent information to both Cloudbet and the community.[/li]

      [li]The account holder is NOT the person that he/she states it is, nor are they in the location they state.[/li]

      [li]The player also knowingly and deliberately circumvented our terms of service by connecting from a prohibited jurisdiction.[/li]

      [li]The reason the player has not been paid yet is entirely to do with them circumventing our terms of service and providing falsified and fraudulent information, and nothing to do with our bitcoin liquidity (more on that below).[/li]

      [li]As the customer provided us with definitively falsified information, we suggested they reach out to Curacao Egaming - with whom we hold a licence - for assistance. This is the correct escalation for any player issues.[/li]

      [li]We intend to resolve this issue in a manner completely fair to everyone once we receive truthful and accurate information from the player.[/li]

      [li]It appears as if the player is now cooperating, so we hope to have a resolution to this case soon.[/li]


    We have been encouraged by the way the community has responded to rally behind the player and help hold Cloudbet accountable, however in this case the player has not been truthful with the community. We encourage the player to share a more accurate story.


    Separately, concerns have been raised about Cloudbet's ability to service the player's withdrawal immediately. You needn’t be concerned - we hold enough funds to cover all of our player balances several times over, and we would never accept a bet that we could not pay in full immediately. We have been around since 2013 and have always celebrated our largest winners, and paid extremely promptly.

    We would like to address this in the way requested by the community -- a signed message from a wallet that holds sufficient funds to cover any liabilities that may be due to this player.

    We have signed a message from a wallet holding ~1157 BTC. All outputs spent to this wallet are from wallets that belong to us, and had not moved in over a year (we sent them to a single wallet for the purpose of this exercise) so they are not newly acquired coins. We would be happy to sign another message from any of the source wallets to prove ownership if required.

    Wallet: 16vk7DahVgj4VsfKKdr1pG3QJ9FvzXpdJN
    Message: cloudbet.com // no USA players allowed
    Signature: HxO5QwkA/UNVePahBUzYgWL4Zz5syTC1H6/LeHICsvW0MYG9Q+PgOjNbzVXgXsLbadzFO2wLlz25nsbaXkeTX o4=

    You can verify the above message in your bitcoin client, or by using the web interface here

    I hope that addresses the community's immediate concerns. If anybody has any further questions or follow-up, please feel free to contact us directly via our support channels, or post a reply in this thread and we will do our best to address them in a timely manner.

    Once more, to reiterate, Cloudbet does NOT accept USA players.

    Thanks for your continued support, patience, and diligence.

    The Cloudbet Team

    [/quote]



    [size=10pt]here is the similar case, almost the SAME THING THAT HAPPENED WITH ME, AND THE GUY WAS EVEN UP https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?to...25#msg49817125 if cloudbet paid this guy 330btc why cant they pay me?[/size]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Efxes View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by AhoosierA View Post
    TL;DR Cliffs:

    - OP is USA citizen depositing on a offshore site that prohibits USA players as of 18+ months ago, using a VPN.

    -Site closes OP's account and confiscates funds because they say he's a USA player VPNing.

    -OP creates threads across multiple poker/gambling forums lying to everyone that he's in Mexico.

    -OP comes clean and admits he's lying and still wants his funds.

    -Site is refusing to refund OP for any deposits and confiscating all winnings.



    Conclusion:

    OP is an idiot.
    Very fair statement. Let's be friends..

    Please look at the fact sthat you left out: I was a losing player on their site and they're confiscating my deposits because they say I won on the site, but I am actually down a lot on the site. They were actively recruiting me with a VIP manager Andy before I got kicked off for being a USA customer when they started banning USA customers after already having an acccount there for a couple years.

    So therefor with those new facts they should really return the money I sent them the same day I requested the cashout.
    So when they allowed USA players, they "actively recruited you" with a VIP manager.

    They then stopped allowing USA players, and told you as such.

    Then 18 months later you break their TOS, lie to them, they happen to catch you the same day you make a deposit, and you think they should be obligated to return your money because you had a VIP manager 18 months ago? Gtfoh. LOL.

    You knew the risk, but you were such the degen you just couldn't stop.

    Take it on the chin champ.

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    I think we need to have Druff move this thread to Flying Stupidity where it obviously belongs apparently. The only shadiness was on OPs part.

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    The MORAL of this Sad Tale is Thus:

    Do not sign up to gamble on Sites that Do not accept US players when you are in the US.

    They shall and have seized the Funds.

    lesson learned here..I shall not use a VPN on Pokerstars as I was about to do until I saw this Post..
    I thank the OP for being man enough to share his plight.
    This could have been me.
    whew.
    I stick to the legal sites that suck. or Move to Mexico/Canada. Thank's again OP. Shoeshine
    Last edited by shoeshine box; 10-16-2020 at 03:39 PM. Reason: No fake VPN guys. whew.

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    I'm afraid I have to take Cloudbet's side here.

    There has to be a consequence for those caught VPNing into sites where they aren't allowed to play, or otherwise nobody will respect the rule.

    It doesn't really matter if you won or lost. You used a VPN to get there, they caught you, and that's that.

    The only way you'd have a valid claim is if they knew you were VPNing, allowed you on, and then banned you once you won.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shoeshine box View Post
    The MORAL of this Sad Tale is Thus:

    Do not sign up to gamble on Sites that Do not accept US players when you are in the US.

    They shall and have seized the Funds.

    lesson learned here..I shall not use a VPN on Pokerstars as I was about to do until I saw this Post..
    I thank the OP for being man enough to share his plight.
    This could have been me.
    whew.
    I stick to the legal sites that suck. or Move to Mexico/Canada. Thank's again OP. Shoeshine
    Appreciate it; yep I am sharing it with the world so they can avoid this and not be me.

    This was a huge life mis-step.

     
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      shoeshine box: Learn and Move on.It coulda been worse.!!

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    I am further awaiting any updates on the case from team Cloudbet. I will keep the thread updated, however I have not received any response from Curacao gaming or Cloudbet in weeks, especially after presenting the updated facts and coming forth under my own accord to the community with provable facts with evidence, as some is listed above and will update as more info comes out. No problem, I understand these things take time and the delay is my fault due to presenting mis-leading facts and falsities, and blaming others for my own faults.


    Total account balance on the day was around $25,000 in bitcoin cash sent in the 24 hour period, and a $15,000 (67 BCH) cashout minus the $3,000 (.26 bitcoin) mis-grade which shouldn't be as hard as it has been to figure out.


    Will keep the community updated and appreciate your continued support.


    I have emailed cloudbet and curacao gaming the following statements:
    Haven't gotten an email back except canned response, but I am sending this statement from a previous case (the 330btc case I believe) about being honest, co-operating, and doing whatever they need me to do in order to co-operate.

    [size=15pt]Whatever I can do to co-operate from this point forward please let me know. I apologize for any blaming and overreactions and overreaching previously. I want to do what it takes to resolve this and co-operate fully with Curacao and Cloudbet. Thank you.
    [/size]


    I also included this with all of the notations from the important points about cooperation and precedent of past cases with account balances (they returned the winning balance and deposit of the past cases with co-operation)


    Other than that I am awaiting any word from Cloudbet on the updated facts and appreciate that these things take time to sort through, though I am confident we can come to a resolution with proper communication and have my confidence in Cloudbet especially given the past resolutions to cases after some back and forth with getting the facts right and co-operation.

    I am willing to cooperate fully in order to get this resolved and be 100% honest and forthright[/u] as I haven't been provably honest previously- and will do what it takes to co-operate and provide an accurate story. I appreciate your understanding and accepting any apologies for mis-behavior in the process of trying to get this resolved. I am willing to co-operate in whatever way you see fit in alignment with Curacao gaming as well. Thank you.[/font][/size][/i]

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    I hope your persistence Pays off and maybe I might suggest lightly, You contact correctly the Host first and ask him if he can expedite the refund you have a Poker radio show that would speak Favorably of their Network, they are Aware of the show and the man behind the scenes..
    When you are successful with that Pitch you perhaps DONATE some Jew Gold to The Poker Fraud alert Poker free roll.yes?.
    You tell Cloudbet host PFA show has thousands of listeners worldwide form a WSOP Bracelet Winner bro...
    Be humble and polite and affable and self depreciating etc etc..gd luck..I saved about 7500..whew....Ty man.

    O yea ask Todd,dandruff first prob.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shoeshine box View Post
    I hope your persistence Pays off and maybe I might suggest lightly, You contact correctly the Host first and ask him if he can expedite the refund you have a Poker radio show that would speak Favorably of their Network, they are Aware of the show and the man behind the scenes..
    When you are successful with that Pitch you perhaps DONATE some Jew Gold to The Poker Fraud alert Poker free roll.yes?.
    You tell Cloudbet host PFA show has thousands of listeners worldwide form a WSOP Bracelet Winner bro...
    Be humble and polite and affable and self depreciating etc etc..gd luck..I saved about 7500..whew....Ty man.

    O yea ask Todd,dandruff first prob.
    happy to do that but cloudbet has basically turned into an exit scam at this point. They aren't responding and they just keep fishing for deposits. They must be hurting for money. I haven't heard from them for weeks and they have completely changed their policy from "paying account balances only when flamed on forums" to "not paying account balances even when flamed on forums, and then sending in tons of shill accounts and goons to call you a psychopath and try and make you go away so they can evaporate the balance".

    I will for sure bring this up though. Prettty sure they're not paying at all costs because their business is belly up due to covid and increased competition in the space.


    how do i get in contact with you guys about doing that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Efxes View Post
    I am further awaiting any updates on the case from team Cloudbet. I will keep the thread updated, however I have not received any response from Curacao gaming or Cloudbet in weeks, especially after presenting the updated facts and coming forth under my own accord to the community with provable facts with evidence, as some is listed above and will update as more info comes out. No problem, I understand these things take time and the delay is my fault due to presenting mis-leading facts and falsities, and blaming others for my own faults.


    Total account balance on the day was around $25,000 in bitcoin cash sent in the 24 hour period, and a $15,000 (67 BCH) cashout minus the $3,000 (.26 bitcoin) mis-grade which shouldn't be as hard as it has been to figure out.


    Will keep the community updated and appreciate your continued support.


    I have emailed cloudbet and curacao gaming the following statements:
    Haven't gotten an email back except canned response, but I am sending this statement from a previous case (the 330btc case I believe) about being honest, co-operating, and doing whatever they need me to do in order to co-operate.

    [size=15pt]Whatever I can do to co-operate from this point forward please let me know. I apologize for any blaming and overreactions and overreaching previously. I want to do what it takes to resolve this and co-operate fully with Curacao and Cloudbet. Thank you.
    [/size]


    I also included this with all of the notations from the important points about cooperation and precedent of past cases with account balances (they returned the winning balance and deposit of the past cases with co-operation)


    Other than that I am awaiting any word from Cloudbet on the updated facts and appreciate that these things take time to sort through, though I am confident we can come to a resolution with proper communication and have my confidence in Cloudbet especially given the past resolutions to cases after some back and forth with getting the facts right and co-operation.

    I am willing to cooperate fully in order to get this resolved and be 100% honest and forthright[/u] as I haven't been provably honest previously- and will do what it takes to co-operate and provide an accurate story. I appreciate your understanding and accepting any apologies for mis-behavior in the process of trying to get this resolved. I am willing to co-operate in whatever way you see fit in alignment with Curacao gaming as well. Thank you.[/font][/size][/i]
    So in 24hrs we go from Cloudbet is being reasonable and I’ve been overreacting to back to now accusing them of being an exit scam.. I might suggest you consider some mental health assistance as your showing rapid cycling bipolar disorder in these posts. I mean ya go from hey they ripped me off to hey let me be honest I cheated to get into their to play and they aren’t at fault etc etc. and we’re back to they’re ripping everybody off again. I’ve got mental whiplash just reading this thread from you.

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    It's pretty simple: i'm trying to do what it takes to get paid man. it's important to me. Obviously i don't believe the bullshit i'm saying about how i'm apologizing to them. They accepted my bets for months until i won something, then they wait for me to deposit to steal it back. It's not okay. Pleaes don't attack me. What if I started a book and did this to people, everyone would be defending my book too?

     
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      shoeshine box: I attempted to advise you Machiavelli way alas.....you do it yr way..= no shot..my way was the right way son.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shoeshine box View Post
    I hope your persistence Pays off and maybe I might suggest lightly, You contact correctly the Host first and ask him if he can expedite the refund you have a Poker radio show that would speak Favorably of their Network, they are Aware of the show and the man behind the scenes..
    When you are successful with that Pitch you perhaps DONATE some Jew Gold to The Poker Fraud alert Poker free roll.yes?.
    You tell Cloudbet host PFA show has thousands of listeners worldwide form a WSOP Bracelet Winner bro...
    Be humble and polite and affable and self depreciating etc etc..gd luck..I saved about 7500..whew....Ty man.

    O yea ask Todd,dandruff first prob.
    ok i will work on this in the next few days to entertain if it is a possibility. I know this is an absurd case- I still feel things should be in my favor at this point but it's obviously never easy.

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    de-escalating until further word abt my case
    Last edited by Efxes; 10-21-2020 at 10:53 AM.

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