Official VP Debate Thread: Krazy Kamala vs Puritanical Pence

[Dan Druff]

That has been a concern, yes. Look at California where they banned guns with magazines over 10 rounds (lol). Then it was brought to court, and three situations were discussed -- two where women ran out of shots (after 10) and were killed by intruders, and one where a woman scared off 3 intruders in a firefight with them, where her 13th and 14th shots were what finally made them run off. That law was temporarily suspended.

But yeah, you can't give the left any concessions with gun control or they will parlay it into increasingly restrictive measures.

Two points. If you’re firing off ten rounds in a closed environment, you’re more a a danger to yourself with that gun than the intruder. A conservative, literal reading of the second amendment would never prohibit a state from banning assault rifles.

Not true. Once you start firing at the bad guys in your house, they assume their choices are to either run away or kill you. At that point, you want infinite rounds, no matter how closed the environment.

Mumbles is right, kinda (I can't believe I'm saying this). Limiting handguns to 10 rounds is just performative, and accomplishes nothing. They're attempting to lessen the number of rounds for spree killings, but what they don't understand is that the spree killer will prepare and bring several guns to do his murdering. So when handgun #1 runs out of ammo, he reaches into his bag and grabs #2, and tosses the first one aside. The homeowner with a single handgun is a different story. They're frantically trying to dial 911 with one hand while firing with the other. They aren't necessarily very good shots, especially with their nerves in this life-or-death situation.

More rake may not be better, but in a self defense situation with a handgun, more rounds are definitely better.

[Jayjami]

Two points. If you’re firing off ten rounds in a closed environment, you’re more a a danger to yourself with that gun than the intruder. A conservative, literal reading of the second amendment would never prohibit a state from banning assault rifles.

Not true. Once you start firing at the bad guys in your house, they assume their choices are to either run away or kill you. At that point, you want infinite rounds, no matter how closed the environment.

Mumbles is right, kinda (I can't believe I'm saying this). Limiting handguns to 10 rounds is just performative, and accomplishes nothing. They're attempting to lessen the number of rounds for spree killings, but what they don't understand is that the spree killer will prepare and bring several guns to do his murdering. So when handgun #1 runs out of ammo, he reaches into his bag and grabs #2, and tosses the first one aside. The homeowner with a single handgun is a different story. They're frantically trying to dial 911 with one hand while firing with the other. They aren't necessarily very good shots, especially with their nerves in this life-or-death situation.

More rake may not be better, but in a self defense situation with a handgun, more rounds are definitely better.

Lol. So you’ve fired 10 shot in your own home, haven’t hit a goddamn thing. I guess shot 11 is going to do the trick. Did you even consider that one of those bullets might ricochet and hit you? How many hand guns do you own, and what training have you taken to use them properly? Dialing 911 while shooting? Both hands on the gun sir!

[nunbeater]

Yes it's horrible that they would even think of packing the supreme court, the same way that the, uh checks notes, Republicans are currently trying to pack the court. fucking disgusting

No they're not.

What exactly would you call ramming through a SC justice before the election then? And also what about the 2 or 300 federal right wing judges that Trump/McConnel have appointed during his term? Do you really want your life to be run by these religious whackos as a Jew? Or are you ready to accept Jesus fucking Christ into your heart and soul?

[cleatus]

only take away from debate. pence comes across as a vampire who is a quart low. dreaming of his next child victim.

only take away from thread. todger thinks riots are second most important issue in usa. what the fuck has happened to you man?

[MumblesBadly]

only take away from debate. pence comes across as a vampire who is a quart low. dreaming of his next child victim.

only take away from thread. todger thinks riots are second most important issue in usa. what the fuck has happened to you man?

Druff has been infected with the Trumptard virus, which has severely distorted his view of political reality. His case isn’t as bad as most victims of it, but severe enough to dramaticly retard his perspective on political matters that might affect the viability of the Republicans continuing to control the White House come January.

[GrenadaRoger]

Not true. Once you start firing at the bad guys in your house, they assume their choices are to either run away or kill you. At that point, you want infinite rounds, no matter how closed the environment.

Mumbles is right, kinda (I can't believe I'm saying this). Limiting handguns to 10 rounds is just performative, and accomplishes nothing. They're attempting to lessen the number of rounds for spree killings, but what they don't understand is that the spree killer will prepare and bring several guns to do his murdering. So when handgun #1 runs out of ammo, he reaches into his bag and grabs #2, and tosses the first one aside. The homeowner with a single handgun is a different story. They're frantically trying to dial 911 with one hand while firing with the other. They aren't necessarily very good shots, especially with their nerves in this life-or-death situation.

More rake may not be better, but in a self defense situation with a handgun, more rounds are definitely better.

Lol. So you’ve fired 10 shot in your own home, haven’t hit a goddamn thing. I guess shot 11 is going to do the trick. Did you even consider that one of those bullets might ricochet and hit you? How many hand guns do you own, and what training have you taken to use them properly? Dialing 911 while shooting? Both hands on the gun sir!

now of course you know police miss more shots than they hit, and they are more trained than the average citizen https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...r-mark-gun-co/

cliffs: while there are no nationwide statistics for police shootings, there have been studies by various departments, and average is 30% hit/shot ratio (no stats on lethal hits to total hits)

qed: more rounds available the better

[limitles]

Lol. So you’ve fired 10 shot in your own home, haven’t hit a goddamn thing. I guess shot 11 is going to do the trick. Did you even consider that one of those bullets might ricochet and hit you? How many hand guns do you own, and what training have you taken to use them properly? Dialing 911 while shooting? Both hands on the gun sir!

now of course you know police miss more shots than they hit, and they are more trained than the average citizen https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...r-mark-gun-co/

cliffs: while there are no nationwide statistics for police shootings, there have been studies by various departments, and average is 30% hit/shot ratio (no stats on lethal hits to total hits)

qed: more rounds available the better

What are the "hit"numbers for point blank range situations and the target facing away?

[Dan Druff]

Not true. Once you start firing at the bad guys in your house, they assume their choices are to either run away or kill you. At that point, you want infinite rounds, no matter how closed the environment.

Mumbles is right, kinda (I can't believe I'm saying this). Limiting handguns to 10 rounds is just performative, and accomplishes nothing. They're attempting to lessen the number of rounds for spree killings, but what they don't understand is that the spree killer will prepare and bring several guns to do his murdering. So when handgun #1 runs out of ammo, he reaches into his bag and grabs #2, and tosses the first one aside. The homeowner with a single handgun is a different story. They're frantically trying to dial 911 with one hand while firing with the other. They aren't necessarily very good shots, especially with their nerves in this life-or-death situation.

More rake may not be better, but in a self defense situation with a handgun, more rounds are definitely better.

Lol. So you’ve fired 10 shot in your own home, haven’t hit a goddamn thing. I guess shot 11 is going to do the trick. Did you even consider that one of those bullets might ricochet and hit you? How many hand guns do you own, and what training have you taken to use them properly? Dialing 911 while shooting? Both hands on the gun sir!

Ideally, I would have already called 911 and could have both hands on the gun while fending off the criminals. It doesn't always work out that way.

There's always a risk when using a gun. Yes, the bullet could bounce and hit you. However, once you fire that first shot, you are signaling to the criminals in your home that you're trying to kill them. If they don't run, they are going to attempt to kill you before you can kill them. At that point, the risk of being shot dead by one of them is far higher than the risk of hurting yourself with your own gun.

More bullets is better.

[limitles]

Lol. So you’ve fired 10 shot in your own home, haven’t hit a goddamn thing. I guess shot 11 is going to do the trick. Did you even consider that one of those bullets might ricochet and hit you? How many hand guns do you own, and what training have you taken to use them properly? Dialing 911 while shooting? Both hands on the gun sir!

Ideally, I would have already called 911 and could have both hands on the gun while fending off the criminals. It doesn't always work out that way.

There's always a risk when using a gun. Yes, the bullet could bounce and hit you. However, once you fire that first shot, you are signaling to the criminals in your home that you're trying to kill them. If they don't run, they are going to attempt to kill you before you can kill them. At that point, the risk of being shot dead by one of them is far higher than the risk of hurting yourself with your own gun.

More bullets is better.

If you're so worried about home invasions where the culprits are on a killing spree or whatever
just buy a Doberman. They'll let you know ahead of time (no alarm needed) and no thief wants to deal with the rest

How wrong could the German's be?

[Jayjami]

Lol. So you’ve fired 10 shot in your own home, haven’t hit a goddamn thing. I guess shot 11 is going to do the trick. Did you even consider that one of those bullets might ricochet and hit you? How many hand guns do you own, and what training have you taken to use them properly? Dialing 911 while shooting? Both hands on the gun sir!

Ideally, I would have already called 911 and could have both hands on the gun while fending off the criminals. It doesn't always work out that way.

There's always a risk when using a gun. Yes, the bullet could bounce and hit you. However, once you fire that first shot, you are signaling to the criminals in your home that you're trying to kill them. If they don't run, they are going to attempt to kill you before you can kill them. At that point, the risk of being shot dead by one of them is far higher than the risk of hurting yourself with your own gun.

More bullets is better.

More bullets better? Not without proper training. It’s like giving a chainsaw to a 5 year old.

If you want to scare an intruder, here is his nightmare scenario: He is in a dark unfamiliar environment and he hears the sound of pump action shotgun. It is unmistakable and absolutely terrifying. You still didn’t answer my question: how many handguns do you own and what kind of training have you had? If you think you’re out gunned lol, keep 2 clips in your nightstand.

[sonatine]

[sonatine]

Pence is a fucking moron.

The question was “When you and Trump lose the election are you going to leave the fucking White House?”

Kamala Harris response should have been “We will take the take the White House by force” Biden and Harris have the support of many Generals. Military tanks, armed drones, F-35 fighters jets and armed special forces will remove Donald Trump by force and take him to prison.

The Trump/Pence administration is almost over and the politicians who supported them now need to be punished.

People that argue that Trump won't leave office if he loses the election are the stupidest of the stupid. It's magnitudes of stupid. You have to take stupid and multiply it to the 29th power to get to that level of stupidity. Wise up.

[PLOL]

People that argue that Trump won't leave office if he loses the election are the stupidest of the stupid. It's magnitudes of stupid. You have to take stupid and multiply it to the 29th power to get to that level of stupidity. Wise up.

Lol, things that didn't age well.

[shoeshine box]

"If you want to scare an intruder, here is his nightmare scenario: He is in a dark unfamiliar environment and he hears the sound of pump action shotgun. It is unmistakable and absolutely terrifying."

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