Originally Posted by
Dan Druff
"No evidence of fraud from mail-in voting" is such a misleading statement, and you are smart enough to know that, Mumbles.
There are certain crimes where little-to-no evidence is left behind, and voter fraud is one of them, unless there are highly organized efforts to do it.
If I go through the trash of Ken Scalir's large apartment complex on the day ballots are received in the mail, there will be a TON of them in there. Some will be from people who don't feel like voting, and others will be ballots for former residents whose information is still on the local voter rolls.
I could take all of these ballots, mark Trump, and send them all in.
There would be zero evidence that this happened, and even if it was known that it occurred, zero ability to catch who did it.
This does not require any level of sophistication or organization. You see ballots in the trash. You hate Trump (or, alternatively, hate Biden). You grab those ballots, fill them in, and mail them. Easy.
It's even easier to fill out ballots for relatives who have expressed no desire to vote. Maybe your senile father is living out his final days with you. Maybe your apathetic son registered at your house when he turned 18 many years ago, and he has told you for years that he thinks voting is a waste of time. Maybe you have family members who have no desire to vote, but are fine with you taking their ballot and doing what they want with it. Maybe the previous residents of your home or apartment keep getting ballots mailed to you.
You can't deny that this will be super easy to do, and people will do it. There is no way to tell how many will do it, but it will happen, and it's incredibly naive to say that it will be an inconsequential number.
Besides, didn't we have a Presidential election in 2000 which came down to about 500 votes in Florida?
The "no evidence of mail-in voter fraud" is such a bullshit Democratic talking point, because they perceive this scheme will benefit them, so they pretend the gaping security hole isn't an issue.
Do you understand how security works, Mumbles? Security isn't about closing vulnerabilities after you've been compromised. It's about closing them AFTER you've been compromised.
Just because a few states have been stupidly doing mail-in voting doesn't mean that it's the right thing for everyone else to do.
Druff, you can be a conservative and that's cool. I disagree with you but you have carefully considered and well-reasoned opinions. This on the other hand is beneath you. This is so thoroughly dishonest you should be embarrassed.
When a mail-in ballot is counted, the voter's signature on the ballot is matched to the signature on file. If it doesn't sufficiently match, what happens depends on the state. Some states allow the voter to correct the problem with an affidavit or appearing in person with ID. Some states just toss the ballot. Depending on the state 3-7% of mail-in ballots are invalidated due to insufficiently matching signature. That is a far bigger problem than the potential for fraud which is tiny. People don't sign identically every time, so almost 100% of those discarded ballots are real and they are discarded anyway. What's the chance that a ballot slips through with a forged signature? You'd have to be an expert forger.
It's also almost impossible to vote twice as the same person due to the safeguards in place. They record who has a mail-in ballot and if the voter tries to vote in person either they have to surrender the mail-in ballot, or the mail-in ballot is discarded after it is checked against the system's record of who voted in person. The latter happens in states where mail-in ballots are not counted until the polls close.
There are very stiff penalties for voting fraud. In your scenario, a person who collected a bunch of unused mail-in ballots and wants to cast them all:
1. Must forge the signature of the voter whose ballot it is, well enough to withstand scrutiny
2. Must hope that voter doesn't (or didn't) vote in person
3. Must be willing to risk going to prison in exchange for casting a handful of extra votes.
This is so absurd, and you know it is absurd. You should be embarrassed for even saying it.