Situation involving stockamets - the resolution

[Dan Druff]

We just had a 3-hour Zoom call. Pahticipants were: Myself, SrslySirius, Drexel, sonatine, PLOL, and some weird almost naked muscular dancing guy behind sonatine for some reason.

The purpose of the call was to come to terms and restore good faith again. I didn't have a problem with any of these guys until recently, and I was hoping that we could both solve the current issue and repair any damage that had been done to how we felt about each other personally. I didn't expect to ever be in a feud with anyone involved here, and the events which transpired were highly disappointing to me for that reason most of all.

Therefore, we came to various agreements about how things with the two sites would be going forward, and I am satisfied with the conclusions we reached. I'm not going to outline them here, because that's between all of us.

I will say the following regarding how i will be treating sonatine's stockamets going forward:

- Links will be allowed here again, effective immediately.

- I am going to undelete the radio show post made by SrslySirius, and will let them make future posts about the show going forward.

- They have agreed to treat PFA respectfully, not to spam, and not to try and direct the site as a PFA replacement, because that's not what sonatine even wants it to be.

- I will allow mention/linking of stockamets when there's a purpose to do so, but not for gratuitous spamming'promotion. This goes for all users, not just the guys I mentioned. For example, linking a relevant thread on stockaments is fine. sonatine putting the URL in his signature is fine. Gratuitous advertising or trying to link it with an unfavorable comparison to PFA isn't fine. So, for example, if I see things like, "John Smith who left PFA is now posting at stockamets", I'm not allowing that (from anyone).

I feel this is a fair compromise.

sonatine has been a longtime great poster on PFA, and I will state that despite the fact that we rarely agree on things. I hope he continues to post here.

I sincerely hope that we can put this ugliness behind us, and operate both sites in a cooperative rather than competitive fashion. That is my intention.

Finally, I want to state something regarding my politics and how they affect PFA. No doubt you have seen by now that I'm a political conservative. I always have been, and I always will be. I express my views on this site in a sincere manner, and I try to explain where I'm coming from. I do this as a user here, and not as an owner.

This is not an alt-right site, and never will be an alt-right site. I'm not even alt-right myself. The alt-right would hate me, being a proud Jew. Free speech has always been important to me, which is why I welcome all political content, from the left, right, and center. My personal political views do not define what the site is about. The site is about free speech and free expression of ideas. I hate echo chambers, and I would never want the left wingers here to leave and deprive PFA of healthy debate of these issues.

I just wanted to get that out.

That is all.

So let it be written, so let it be done.

[zealanddonk]

So, did Zod get the $1300 back?

[RealTalk]

Lol at a 3 hour zoom call to reach these conclusions

[gauchojake]

Whose subscription was it on because you know damn sure Druff ain't paying for that shit

[Dan Druff]

Whose subscription was it on because you know damn sure Druff ain't paying for that shit

You have to pay? I don't use Zoom much, but I didn't realize it requires a subscription to start a conference.

But you're right, I joined someone's conference (I think Brandon's). And you're also right, I ain't paying for that shit.

[Dan Druff]

So, did Zod get the $1300 back?

He didn't.

Dell wouldn't give it to him. They were assholes. I felt bad for him.

Doing your own radio show requires Stereo Mix. He can tell you more, but he was told in advance that the computer had stereo mix, and then it didn't, and there was no way to enable it. They wouldn't take it back.

Brandon said in his post that it was some requirement I had for the way I do radio, but that's not true. It's impossible to run an audio radio show and take calls without stereo mix, unless you're doing it over some third-party platform like Blogtakradio (which sucks balls, by the way).

This was also going on at the same time I had my major psychological issues in August/September/October 2018, so I could only be of limited help as it was going on.

[Bootsy Collins]

Whose subscription was it on because you know damn sure Druff ain't paying for that shit

You have to pay? I don't use Zoom much, but I didn't realize it requires a subscription to start a conference.

But you're right, I joined someone's conference (I think Brandon's). And you're also right, I ain't paying for that shit.

You are not going to get charged by Zoom since it is a subscription based service and not like the old long distance per minute deal. Someone has a connection to Zoom and is using a friends and family type Covid deal.

[Texter]

Whose subscription was it on because you know damn sure Druff ain't paying for that shit

You have to pay? I don't use Zoom much, but I didn't realize it requires a subscription to start a conference.

But you're right, I joined someone's conference (I think Brandon's). And you're also right, I ain't paying for that shit.

Zoom is free for 30 minutes...longer you gotta pay

[Bootsy Collins]

You have to pay? I don't use Zoom much, but I didn't realize it requires a subscription to start a conference.

But you're right, I joined someone's conference (I think Brandon's). And you're also right, I ain't paying for that shit.

Zoom is free for 30 minutes...longer you gotta pay

Nope it ends the call.

[blake]

We just had a 3-hour Zoom call.

you guys had a 3 hour call to discuss whether or not links to stockamets will be permitted on this website.


how is that possible

[mulva]

Lol at a 3 hour zoom call to reach these conclusions

it was 5 hrs for venom and 2% of the profit for cross promotion

[Sanlmar]

Lol at a 3 hour zoom call to reach these conclusions

it was 5 hrs for venom and 2% of the profit for cross promotion

Well, first there was the reading of the agenda.....

[Dan Druff]

We just had a 3-hour Zoom call.

you guys had a 3 hour call to discuss whether or not links to stockamets will be permitted on this website.


how is that possible

It was actually about 2 hours of that, and the last hour just mostly bullshitting about random things.

The discussion was about everything related to the situation. I wanted to understand where they were coming from, they wanted to understand where I was coming from, etc.

I didn't just want it where people begrudgingly agreed to things they really were opposed to, and then we'd be going through the same bullshit a month from now when someone gets pissed off again.

It was also about making an attempt to get along personally in the future. That was important to me, as I really didn't want bad blood with any of these guys.

[dwai]

it was 5 hrs for venom and 2% of the profit for cross promotion

Well, first there was the reading of the agenda.....

post of the year

[blake]

i need for sonatine or srsly to come in here this instant and explain how the fuck that conversation lasted 3 hours

edit -- i see druff added to this

[Drexel]

Whose subscription was it on because you know damn sure Druff ain't paying for that shit

SrslySirius paid $20 for a premium version of zoom in which you can conference for an unlimited amount of time.

[Crowe Diddly]

for at least a little while longer, I'm just gonna call the new site *REDACTED*

its weird that all this played out the way it did for such a reasonable-sounding outcome, but I enjoyed it, especially since it played out so quickly, there was no time to get sick of it. I commend and thank all involved.

[Drexel]

i need for sonatine or srsly to come in here this instant and explain how the fuck that conversation lasted 3 hours

edit -- i see druff added to this

The first hour was basically the airing of grievances.

The second hour was how we planned on dealing with said grievances.

The last hour was more of a potpourri of topics such as famous Jews and gays in sports, Sonatine’s favorite milk steak recipes, srsly doing tremendous amounts of Ecstasy while producing and recording “Party at the DOJ”

[Krypt]

Druff, would you concede that this site has fomented its fair share of hate speech directed towards blacks and minorities vis a vis incessant n-bombs and other racial epithets? Consequently, the very kind of speech you champion is muzzling many prospective posters who are either members of minority groups or just simply detest racist hate speech.

By not censoring even in a minimalist fashion, you have tacitly laid the foundation for an alt-right poker site. Now, I don’t personally think the majority of this site’s posters are deplorable racists, but I can easily see why an outsider would get that impression. Why would they bother posting in a hostile environment? This is the reason why the vast majority of free speech sites on the internet are dominated by white supremacists.

This is your site and I won’t tell you how to run it (not that you would actually listen), but this is one of the many reasons why this site has failed to grow. Again, I enjoy these forums for what they are, but let’s not pretend to stand on the illusory moral high ground of free speech with absolutely no limitations.

[blake]

Druff, would you concede that this site has fomented its fair share of hate speech directed towards blacks and minorities vis a vis incessant n-bombs and other racial epithets? Consequently, the very kind of speech you champion is muzzling many prospective posters who are either members of minority groups or just simply detest racist hate speech.

By not censoring even in a minimalist fashion, you have tacitly laid the foundation for an alt-right poker site. Now, I don’t personally think the majority of this site’s posters are deplorable racists, but I can easily see why an outsider would get that impression. Why would they bother posting in a hostile environment? This is the reason why the vast majority of free speech sites on the internet are dominated by white supremacists.

This is your site and I won’t tell you how to run it (not that you would actually listen), but this is one of the many reasons why this site has failed to grow. Again, I enjoy these forums for what they are, but let’s not pretend to stand on the illusory moral high ground of free speech with absolutely no limitations.

such a good post people