Anyone want to shop at Target in Minneapolis today? (George Floyd police brutality death)

[Dan Druff]

So when local government officials intentionally cause damage to their own cities, the state should be required to foot the bill to repair it?

How is that fair to other Minnesotans who don't live in the Twin Cities area?

This wasn't a natural disaster. City officials in Minneapolis and St. Paul specifically instructed police to stand down, and let the rioting occur.

You don't really think their intent was to cause damage to their own city do you? Come back to reality Druff.

So what was their intent?

People were rioting, looting, and burning down buildings.

They told police to stand down. What was their expectation? That the buildings would stand up and defend themselves?

These city officials chose chaos and destruction over enforcing the law. Now it's time for them to deal with the consequences. They don't get to send the bill to Minnesota or Uncle Sam.

[Dan Druff]

New bill on the table to strip unemployment benefits from those convicted of rioting/looting in the 2020 protests.

Great idea!

https://nypost.com/2020/08/30/rioter...-new-bill/amp/

Also, they should be forced to pay restitution, even if it takes 30 years.

[limitles]

You don't really think their intent was to cause damage to their own city do you? Come back to reality Druff.

So what was their intent?

People were rioting, looting, and burning down buildings.

They told police to stand down. What was their expectation? That the buildings would stand up and defend themselves?

These city officials chose chaos and destruction over enforcing the law. Now it's time for them to deal with the consequences. They don't get to send the bill to Minnesota or Uncle Sam.

Hey brain dead. Do you know nothing about protests and or riots and looting?
People intent on looting/rioting are opportunists. They show up in many different
public gatherings such as Stanley Cup celebrations and civil rights protests.

This rioting looting mob you rail against do not don the letters R or L on their backs
as they go about their business. When you talk about decisive action by
governments and law enforcers they try to avoid the strafing of large groups
because they cannot define the real culprit in a turbulent scene.

You really should read what you write because others do.

[limitles]

Please don't use the word woke again. Coming from an old uptight white righty it's sounds pitiful.

Though DFL legislators have proposed creating a $300 million rebuilding fund to cover uninsured losses from the riots, the bill has stalled in the GOP-controlled Senate, which opposes requiring the state to pay for damage in Minneapolis and St. Paul.

You're older, whiter, and more uptight. And a lot more drunk.

The beauty of this medium is that you live and die by the sword and
here we have evidence of our "unsavoury" leader blowing an intellectual gasket.

Critical thinker, and all around big brain know it all, falls to the lowest
rung on the ladder that of the ad hominater.

[duped_samaritan]

You don't really think their intent was to cause damage to their own city do you? Come back to reality Druff.

So what was their intent?

People were rioting, looting, and burning down buildings.

They told police to stand down. What was their expectation? That the buildings would stand up and defend themselves?

These city officials chose chaos and destruction over enforcing the law. Now it's time for them to deal with the consequences. They don't get to send the bill to Minnesota or Uncle Sam.

You could've just looked up what their explanation was for yourself. They thought the risk of life was too high to justify stopping the chaos and destruction.

You'll prob respond "but that's why we have police, to enforce the law. They sent a message that it's ok to break the law now there's even more chaos".

That's a fair opinion, it's tough to quantify the value of human life or how many lives were actually going to be at risk. I assume you'd place the value of a rioters life at zero, but I'm sure other people would disagree, including the elected officials. If the Mayor of Minneapolis thought it was very likely that several cops would end up dead, would you be ok with the decision to stand down? What about 10? 50? What if he thought there were a decent chance that sending in the cops would only escalate the situation and prevent them from containing the riots which allow the chaos and destruction to spread.

What isn't fair point though is to accuse them of making the decision because they wanted all the destruction to happen. There were valid pros and cons to having the police stand down and sending them in.

[TheXFactor]

[dwai]

So what was their intent?

People were rioting, looting, and burning down buildings.

They told police to stand down. What was their expectation? That the buildings would stand up and defend themselves?

These city officials chose chaos and destruction over enforcing the law. Now it's time for them to deal with the consequences. They don't get to send the bill to Minnesota or Uncle Sam.

You could've just looked up what their explanation was for yourself. They thought the risk of life was too high to justify stopping the chaos and destruction.

You'll prob respond "but that's why we have police, to enforce the law. They sent a message that it's ok to break the law now there's even more chaos".

That's a fair opinion, it's tough to quantify the value of human life or how many lives were actually going to be at risk. I assume you'd place the value of a rioters life at zero, but I'm sure other people would disagree, including the elected officials. If the Mayor of Minneapolis thought it was very likely that several cops would end up dead, would you be ok with the decision to stand down? What about 10? 50? What if he thought there were a decent chance that sending in the cops would only escalate the situation and prevent them from containing the riots which allow the chaos and destruction to spread.

What isn't fair point though is to accuse them of making the decision because they wanted all the destruction to happen. There were valid pros and cons to having the police stand down and sending them in.

[nightmarefish]

[BiffCo99]

That’s literally what liberals want and what we’re headed towards. People need to wake up.

[Dan Druff]

So what was their intent?

People were rioting, looting, and burning down buildings.

They told police to stand down. What was their expectation? That the buildings would stand up and defend themselves?

These city officials chose chaos and destruction over enforcing the law. Now it's time for them to deal with the consequences. They don't get to send the bill to Minnesota or Uncle Sam.

You could've just looked up what their explanation was for yourself. They thought the risk of life was too high to justify stopping the chaos and destruction.

You'll prob respond "but that's why we have police, to enforce the law. They sent a message that it's ok to break the law now there's even more chaos".

That's a fair opinion, it's tough to quantify the value of human life or how many lives were actually going to be at risk. I assume you'd place the value of a rioters life at zero, but I'm sure other people would disagree, including the elected officials. If the Mayor of Minneapolis thought it was very likely that several cops would end up dead, would you be ok with the decision to stand down? What about 10? 50? What if he thought there were a decent chance that sending in the cops would only escalate the situation and prevent them from containing the riots which allow the chaos and destruction to spread.

What isn't fair point though is to accuse them of making the decision because they wanted all the destruction to happen. There were valid pros and cons to having the police stand down and sending them in.

Refusing to stop crime because you value the violent criminal's life is a very, very bad way to practice law enforcement.

There were non-lethal ways to stop this, especially at the beginning. These aren't Islamic terrorists. Nobody is there to die for the cause. That's why they all waited until it was "safe" to riot and loot. If they felt a clampdown was coming, they'd have backed down.

The truth was that the politicians were too afraid of the woke backlash for arresting black people looting and rioting, on the heels of the Floyd killing. They were even more worried about the backlash if any of them got hurt or killed in the process of arresting them, even if justified.

That's what this was about -- not fear for the value of rioters' lives or police lives. It was to save their own political asses.

[limitles]

Refusing to stop crime because you value the violent criminal's life is a very, very bad way to practice law enforcement.

There were non-lethal ways to stop this, especially at the beginning. These aren't Islamic terrorists. Nobody is there to die for the cause. That's why they all waited until it was "safe" to riot and loot. If they felt a clampdown was coming, they'd have backed down.

The truth was that the politicians were too afraid of the woke backlash for arresting black people looting and rioting, on the heels of the Floyd killing. They were even more worried about the backlash if any of them got hurt or killed in the process of arresting them, even if justified.

That's what this was about -- not fear for the value of rioters' lives or police lives. It was to save their own political asses.

This is insane logic...Are you out of your mind?



People intent on looting/rioting are opportunists. They show up in many different
public gatherings such as Stanley Cup celebrations and civil rights protests.

This rioting looting mob you rail against do not don the letters R or L on their backs
as they go about their business. When you talk about decisive action by
governments and law enforcers they try to avoid the strafing of large groups
because they cannot define the real culprit in a turbulent scene.

You really should read what you write because others do.

[nightmarefish]

And just like that, progressives in Portland turn on the most progressive mayor in the country. Who could have seen this coming?
https://www.dailywire.com/news/portl...nd-resignation

Portland progressive groups have banded together to demand that Portland’s mayor, Ted Wheeler — a frequent foil for President Donald Trump on the issue of riot control — resign over his lack of leadership.

Other Portland progressives staged a massive demonstration outside Wheeler’s Portland condominium for his birthday, dancing in the streets outside Wheeler’s residence and tossing flaming objects at the building.

Portland’s chapter of the Democratic Socialists of America — one of the most active chapters of the political group in the country — declared their opposition to Wheeler over the weekend, demanding that he cede power to someone more willing and able to exert control over ongoing unrest — unrest that has now stretched into nearly its 100th night.

A deadly shooting, which saw a “right-wing protester” taking part in a counter-demonstration to ongoing “anti-Fascist” protests in the city’s downtown, attacked and killed, inspired the decision to call for Wheeler’s resignation, the group said.

“I don’t think we can see what happened last night in a vacuum or as an isolated incident,” the group told Oregon Live. “People are going to be killed on both sides of this because of the environment Ted Wheeler has been making in the city.”


“[T’he Oregon chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, the Oregon Justice Resource Center, the Portland Democratic Socialists of America NextUp Action Fund, [and] Portland’s Resistance and Popular Mobilization PDX,” issued their own letter demanding Wheeler resign.

“What took place last night was inevitable given Mayor Wheeler’s repeated failure,” the letter said, per Oregon Live. “He has not protected or supported Portlanders. We do not have confidence in his ability to course-correct. He must resign.”

Wheeler has certainly struggled to control violence in his own city and has been on the receiving end of harsh criticism from now less than President Donald Trump, who tweeted Monday that Wheeler had lost control over his city. Wheeler fired back, echoing national Democrats and blaming the president for “rhetoric” that he says inspired the unrest to begin with.


“It’s you who have created the hate and the division. It’s you who have not found a way to say the names of Black people killed by police officers even as people in law enforcement have. And it’s you who claimed that White supremacists are good people,” Wheeler said. “Your campaign of fear is as anti-democratic as anything you’ve done to create hate and vitriol in our beautiful country.”

“Do you seriously wonder, Mr. President, why this is the first time in decades that America has seen this level of violence?” he added.

Trump fired back, “Portland will never recover with a fool for a mayor…he tried mixing with the agitators and anarchists and they mocked him. He would like to blame me and the federal government for going in, but he hasn’t seen anything yet.”


But while it might seem the president and Portland progressives are on the same side, the progressive groups are actually pressing for a more lenient approach to ongoing protests and want Wheeler replaced by a mayor who will defund Portland’s police department and cede to protesters’ demands, on the theory that such action will put an end to ongoing unrest.

The group appears to be supporting a write-in campaign for community activist Teressa Raiford who “is the founder of nonprofit Don’t Shoot PDX, which has sued the city and federal authorities in recent months over police tactics during demonstrations such as using tear gas on crowds,” according to Oregon Live.

[nightmarefish]

Maybe this CHOP thing wasn't the summer of love the mayor said it was. Who could have seen this coming?

https://www.king5.com/article/news/l...9-907213a95696

SEATTLE — The father of a man shot and killed inside Seattle's Capitol Hill Organized Protest (CHOP) zone in June has filed three claims against local government amounting to $3 billion.

Horace Anderson, the father of 19-year-old Horace Lorenzo Anderson, filed claims Thursday against the city of Seattle, King County, and Washington state over the death of his son inside the CHOP zone.

The claim alleged that the actions and "inactions" by the local government are responsible for creating a "hazardous, and lawless situation" that resulted in the man's death, according to a statement released by the Oshan & Associates, P.C., the law firm representing Anderson.

"It is important to hold our government leaders accountable so this will not happen again," said Attorney Evan Oshan in a prepared statement. "Those in positions of power must not be allowed to hide from their duty to act responsibly and protect citizens. With power and prestige comes responsibility!"

Anderson was one of two people shot inside the former protest zone during the early morning hours of June 20. Bystanders took Anderson to Harborview Medical Center where he died.

According to Seattle city officials at the time, Seattle Fire Department medics responded and were awaiting Seattle police to secure the scene before going into the CHOP, which is standard procedure for the fire department. Seattle police arrived at about 2:28 a.m. but they reported that the crowd prevented them from getting inside the CHOP zone.

In an interview with KING 5 on Thursday, Evan Oshan said that the lawsuit is about holding the agencies accountable for the younger Anderson's death.

“The thing that we really need to focus on is that there was a, an individual who lost his life unnecessarily and he, it was predictable, it was preventable, and this should have never happened,” Oshan said.

Oshan said that he and his client hopes that the discovery process will also uncover who was to blame.

"I do know is that there was a police precinct that was given up. What I do know is that EMS did not come in and take care of Lorenzo as he lay bleeding. This was a totally lawless situation. It puts him in great danger and it was just wrong,” Oshan said.

A city of Seattle official confirmed to KING 5 that the city has received the claim but said the city is not able to comment on pending claims or litigation. KING 5 has reached out to the state Attorney General's Office and King County but has not yet heard back.

Horace Lorenzo Anderson's mother filed a separate wrongful death lawsuit in July against the city, King County, and the state.

That claim alleged Seattle officials created a dangerous environment and city personnel "failed to protect or medically assist Anderson."

Earlier this month, the King County Prosecuting Attorney’s Office filed first-degree murder charges against the man accused of killing Anderson inside the CHOP.

The suspect, Marcel Levon Long, is still at-large. A warrant for his arrest has been issued.

According to charging documents, Long was seen on surveillance video approaching Anderson and pulling out a gun. Long is then seen then chasing Anderson, who ran away, and Long appears to shoot him.

[dwai]

Fentanyl Floyd and Jacob "rape and abuse women" blake deserve no attention or admiration.

Sad!

This cop was a hero, This is Biden's America.

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[duped_samaritan]

Refusing to stop crime because you value the violent criminal's life is a very, very bad way to practice law enforcement.

There were non-lethal ways to stop this, especially at the beginning. These aren't Islamic terrorists. Nobody is there to die for the cause. That's why they all waited until it was "safe" to riot and loot. If they felt a clampdown was coming, they'd have backed down.

The truth was that the politicians were too afraid of the woke backlash for arresting black people looting and rioting, on the heels of the Floyd killing. They were even more worried about the backlash if any of them got hurt or killed in the process of arresting them, even if justified.

That's what this was about -- not fear for the value of rioters' lives or police lives. It was to save their own political asses.

How confident are you that what you're describing is reality. Imagine we could run an accurate sim of sending in the cops, any chance we see a much worse outcome than where we're at now?

It just blows my mind how anyone can be so confident about things that they couldn't possible know.

[dwai]

Refusing to stop crime because you value the violent criminal's life is a very, very bad way to practice law enforcement.

There were non-lethal ways to stop this, especially at the beginning. These aren't Islamic terrorists. Nobody is there to die for the cause. That's why they all waited until it was "safe" to riot and loot. If they felt a clampdown was coming, they'd have backed down.

The truth was that the politicians were too afraid of the woke backlash for arresting black people looting and rioting, on the heels of the Floyd killing. They were even more worried about the backlash if any of them got hurt or killed in the process of arresting them, even if justified.

That's what this was about -- not fear for the value of rioters' lives or police lives. It was to save their own political asses.

How confident are you that what you're describing is reality. Imagine we could run an accurate sim of sending in the cops, any chance we see a much worse outcome than where we're at now?

It just blows my mind how anyone can be so confident about things that they couldn't possible know.

yeah and if the big bang didn't happen, we wouldn't have any of these problems, run a sim on that stooge

[BiffCo99]

Refusing to stop crime because you value the violent criminal's life is a very, very bad way to practice law enforcement.

There were non-lethal ways to stop this, especially at the beginning. These aren't Islamic terrorists. Nobody is there to die for the cause. That's why they all waited until it was "safe" to riot and loot. If they felt a clampdown was coming, they'd have backed down.

The truth was that the politicians were too afraid of the woke backlash for arresting black people looting and rioting, on the heels of the Floyd killing. They were even more worried about the backlash if any of them got hurt or killed in the process of arresting them, even if justified.

That's what this was about -- not fear for the value of rioters' lives or police lives. It was to save their own political asses.

How confident are you that what you're describing is reality. Imagine we could run an accurate sim of sending in the cops, any chance we see a much worse outcome than where we're at now?

It just blows my mind how anyone can be so confident about things that they couldn't possible know.

This fool trying to argue that surrendering the police station to the violent mob to be burned was a good idea. What a weak-kneed soy-boy argument. If the cops were allowed to do their job from the start the city would have been saved and a tough governor would have immediately called in the National guard for backup.

Stop making excuses for poor Democratic leadership and people who are too weak and scared to do their jobs.

[big dick]

NG should be brought in now to clean up these scumbags who are throwing shit @ the cops and burning garbage cans
That or set the cops loose and start arresting and beating their asses in for them

Apparently there about a 150 or so of these assholes so it shouldn't be too hard to take care of.


These 150 assholes aren't d's or r's they are criminals .

These dirtbags prob don't even vote

[Dan Druff]

Refusing to stop crime because you value the violent criminal's life is a very, very bad way to practice law enforcement.

There were non-lethal ways to stop this, especially at the beginning. These aren't Islamic terrorists. Nobody is there to die for the cause. That's why they all waited until it was "safe" to riot and loot. If they felt a clampdown was coming, they'd have backed down.

The truth was that the politicians were too afraid of the woke backlash for arresting black people looting and rioting, on the heels of the Floyd killing. They were even more worried about the backlash if any of them got hurt or killed in the process of arresting them, even if justified.

That's what this was about -- not fear for the value of rioters' lives or police lives. It was to save their own political asses.

How confident are you that what you're describing is reality. Imagine we could run an accurate sim of sending in the cops, any chance we see a much worse outcome than where we're at now?

It just blows my mind how anyone can be so confident about things that they couldn't possible know.

Of course there was a "chance" that there could have been a bad outcome.

There was a much higher chance that it would have been silenced, and set an example for what would happen to assholes showing up to riot and loot, and the entire thing would have died down.

Instead, we've had 3+ months of constant rioting/looting/arson in various parts of the country, and more of a general feeling that it's okay (and in some cases, celebrated) to do.

A similar decision was made in 1992 regarding the LA Riots -- to let it go unchecked for awhile -- but it didn't infect the entire country, nor last for more than a week or so. Why? Because the media in 1992 was responsible:



This wasn't a right-wing fringe report. This was the NBC Nightly News in 1992. Everyone got together -- Republicans, Democrats, and the media -- and spoke out against the rioting and looting. Only a few fringe weirdos dared praise it (and nobody took them seriously).

Fast forward 28 years, and we had the media justifying/praising the rioting as "understandable", "a response to oppression", and "simply people trying to make themselves heard when peaceful protest in the past failed". Democratic politicians did the same, and at best simply stayed silent about it (but were LOUD about any attempts to stop it, such as the federal troops in Portland).

Now, of course, with the country fed up and swing voters starting to consider voting for Trump again, the Democrats are putting out the message that looting is bad, with the asterisk that it's Trump's fault, and that most of the violence is really from the right.

As I've said many times, Democrats are really, really, really, really bad at crime and punishment.

[big dick]

Since were doing the blast from the past as a way to tear into a current political party
here's some right wingers from back in the day