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    BJ Baldwin, son of Bobby Baldwin, shot a man dead in a Vegas In-N-Out parking lot in April

    I meant to post about this at the time, but I forgot, and I just remembered to look this up and see what happened.

    BJ Baldwin is a 40-year-old truck racer, who is also obsessed with guns. He has some degree of notoriety in these communities, but isn't what I'd consider famous.



    To us, he's more notable for being the son of casino executive and 1979 WSOP Main Event champ Bobby Baldwin. In recent years, Bobby has been in the news because he abruptly left his highly-paid, high-profile position at MGM Resorts in 2018, and then took a job with "The Drew" -- a casino which won't even open until 2022 at the earliest. Presumably he took a pay cut, and also a year passed in between leaving MGM and signing on with The Drew. Many rumors went around that Bobby had done something wrong during his tenure at MGM, and they quietly parted ways. This was never fully fleshed out nor understood.

    Anyway, back to BJ.

    To BJ's credit, he didn't attempt to follow in his father's footsteps or use him to boost his career. BJ carved out a completely different path for himself, staying away from gambling, and instead getting big into trucks and guns. He runs a company called Baldwin Motorsports, based out of Vegas.

    On April 22, BJ and his girlfriend were eating at In-N-Out in the parking lot. He showed up just before closing at 1:30am, got burgers for both, and they were standing in the parking lot eating. At around 1:45am, BJ was still in the parking lot, and apparently nobody else was.

    Two black males approached him and his girlfriend. BJ saw the gun, drew his own, and then got into a shootout with the man. BJ admitted it was "unclear who shot first". Being the trained marksman he was, BJ riddled the dude with bullets and killed him, while he and his girlfriend remained unharmed. The other black male ran off.

    BJ did not call police. He drove away to his dad's house, asked what to do, and his dad immediately called him a lawyer, and they went to the police together.

    Here's an article about it from April 26: https://racer.com/2020/04/26/baldwin...-in-las-vegas/

    There was some initial skepticism about BJ's story.

    Why didn't he call the police right away? Why did a business owner and experienced gun aficionado in his 40s have to run home to Daddy first?

    And why did all of this happen in the first place? Was BJ really eating fast food in a parking lot, 15+ minutes after In-N-Out closed? Was it possible this was a drug deal gone bad?

    The police did not arrest or charge BJ. Some cried racism. Others said this was corrupt Las Vegas at work, where those connected to the rich and influential often escape consequences for their actions.

    Even I wondered about this. Was it possible that this really was a drug deal gone bad, but with the victim being an unsympathetic character, Bobby used his influence to make it go away?

    Keep in mind that there definitely IS still plenty of corruption and back-scratching in Vegas. It's no longer mob-run, but a lot of things go on in that town which wouldn't fly in other cities. In some ways, Vegas has changed tremendously since the '80s. In other ways, it's still the same place.




    Vindication came for Baldwin soon after, but not from the source you'd expect.

    The two men who approached BJ's girlfriend in the parking lot were brothers Kevin Smith and Joseph Smith. Kevin Smith was not the same guy as the portly actor-director, and Joseph Smith wasn't the same guy as the founder of Mormonism.

    Joseph Smith, 43, was the one BJ shot dead. Police picked up Kevin, and asked him what happened. They expected him to blame the entire thing on BJ, defending his now-deceased brother. Instead, he did the opposite.

    Kevin admitted that the two of them showed up to the parking lot looking for trouble. He said that they had attempted to buy a gun from a store located in that same parking lot earlier in the day, but were denied. (The reason for this denial wasn't stated -- perhaps they failed the background check.) They had earlier thrown a rock at the window at the gun store to get revenge, but Joseph wanted to return to the scene late at night to cause further trouble.

    Kevin claimed that he didn't realize Joseph was going to harm any innocent people, but had a feeling that he was going to do something bad. When they saw BJ and his girlfriend -- the only two remaining in the parking lot -- Joseph decided to go after them. He "smiled at the female after pointing his gun at her, then fired his gun at the male (BJ)", and the shootout ensued. Even though BJ didn't remember who fired first, Kevin remembered -- and he said it was Joseph.

    Kevin then said that BJ jumped behind a trashcan to take cover, and returned fire, hitting Joseph and killing him. Kevin stated that he felt it was self defense, and didn't want to see BJ charged for killing his brother! Wow!

    Police also found that Joseph's girlfriend showed up at the scene and removed his gun, but then later thought better of it and turned it in to police.

    Given all of this information, BJ was not charged, and the DA ruled it self-defense. BJ had a concealed carry permit in Nevada, so he was legally allowed to be carrying a firearm when this broke out. It turned out that this was a legitimate "good guy with a gun story", and that BJ and his girlfriend would likely be dead if he weren't armed at the time.

    Despite his cooperation, Kevin Smith is charged with conspiracy to commit robbery, attempted robbery and assault with a deadly weapon. It is not clear if Kevin had a weapon on him at the time this went down, but he definitely didn't point it at anyone.

    Here's the updated Review Journal article: https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/...fense-2020768/


    The NRA has seized upon this story, and Kevin is already featured in various promotions and commercials, where he tells this story.




    The In-N-Out is located on Tropicana and Fort Apache in western Las Vegas, several miles away from the strip.

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    Also, not to say we have any psychics here, but just 2 hours before this shooting, lol wow posted "BALDWIN NAILED IT"

    https://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sh...l=1#post894782

    How did he know?

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    I posted a link to this article on Real Grinders.

    A poster there named "Manny Perez" posted the following rebuttal to the story:

    Uhmm, okay. The girlfriend of Baldwin is never named in an article that only has six characters in it. The girlfriend of the dead guy magically shows up at the scene and picks up his gun which she hides in her vehicle only to tell the police about it.......because she sat there waiting for them to arrive? The brother gets picked up and throws his own dead brother under the bus without getting any kind of deal. The dead brother, who buy the way tried to buy a gun earlier in the day and was denied but somehow has another gun later that same day was there to get revenge on an empty store? Cough COVERUP cough!
    I'm no Baldwin fan boy, but I don't think this was a coverup.

    Regarding Baldwin's girlfriend, there was no reason to name her, as she did not commit a crime, nor was she involved in the shooting on either side.

    It's very possible that Kevin threw his dead brother under the bus because he was already dead, and perhaps it excused some of his own culpability. What if Kevin also was going to pull his gun and rob or kill BJ and his girlfriend, but thought better of it once the gunbattle took place? Could be easier to blame it on his brother. It's also possible his story was 100% true, and was afraid he was going to be charged with attempted murder if he didn't speak up and explain what happened.

    Just too many elements here for this to be a coverup -- the dead guy's girlfriend taking the gun, Kevin admitting his brother was guilty, the fact that the two brothers had an altercation at the gun store at the very same shopping center earlier that day (which I'm sure was verified in some way)...

    Too many small details would have to come together for this to be a cover-up.

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    they paid off the brother, sfo.
    "Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky

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    Druff- I’m gonna make you laugh and add a known poker player angle to Baldwin...


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    A PFA Radio listener texted me the following:

    Druff, I think you are correct it wasn't a drug deal, but there's something you are overlooking.

    I think it may have been a GUN deal! Remember BJ is very into guns and has said many times in his videos that he has a ton of them. The guys who approached him admitted they had been at a gun store earlier that day and were denied. Maybe that's what this was all about? Also maybe that's why he drove away to his dad's house after the shooting, to hide the guns he had in his trunk! Just a theory but something to consider!
    Interesting theory!

    Lots of things fit here. The thing that was strangest to me about BJ's story was that the dude just whipped out a gun and started firing. Why? He hadn't even gotten very close to them yet. Even if the plan was to mug BJ and his girlfriend, wouldn't it be smarter to pull the gun when you get nearby, so they don't run away?

    That part of the story didn't set well with me. Secondarily, the running home to Daddy thing -- while somewhat explainable (perhaps he didn't want to wait there for the other guy to come back with friends) -- also seems a bit suspicious for a 40-year-old businessman and gun enthusiast.

    If this was a gun deal, perhaps Joseph Smith and his brother Kevin planned to rob BJ of the guns, not knowing that BJ had a concealed weapon on him. Perhaps BJ shot Joseph dead during a robbery attempt of the guns, brother Kevin ran off, and BJ quickly booked it over to Daddy's house so he could hide the trunk full of guns he had.

    It would make sense for Kevin to back BJ's story, making him just a bystander for his reckless brother, rather than an attempted robber during an illegal gun sale.

    Meeting 15 minutes after In-N-Out closed also makes sense, because they could explain why they were all there if the cops rolled up, yet there was a good chance everyone else would be gone.

    The only part that doesn't fit? Would the brother really meet him in the SAME lot where they tried to earlier buy a gun, and threw a rock through the window after being denied?

    Anyway, very interesting theory.

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