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    BJ Baldwin, son of Bobby Baldwin, shot a man dead in a Vegas In-N-Out parking lot in April

    I meant to post about this at the time, but I forgot, and I just remembered to look this up and see what happened.

    BJ Baldwin is a 40-year-old truck racer, who is also obsessed with guns. He has some degree of notoriety in these communities, but isn't what I'd consider famous.



    To us, he's more notable for being the son of casino executive and 1979 WSOP Main Event champ Bobby Baldwin. In recent years, Bobby has been in the news because he abruptly left his highly-paid, high-profile position at MGM Resorts in 2018, and then took a job with "The Drew" -- a casino which won't even open until 2022 at the earliest. Presumably he took a pay cut, and also a year passed in between leaving MGM and signing on with The Drew. Many rumors went around that Bobby had done something wrong during his tenure at MGM, and they quietly parted ways. This was never fully fleshed out nor understood.

    Anyway, back to BJ.

    To BJ's credit, he didn't attempt to follow in his father's footsteps or use him to boost his career. BJ carved out a completely different path for himself, staying away from gambling, and instead getting big into trucks and guns. He runs a company called Baldwin Motorsports, based out of Vegas.

    On April 22, BJ and his girlfriend were eating at In-N-Out in the parking lot. He showed up just before closing at 1:30am, got burgers for both, and they were standing in the parking lot eating. At around 1:45am, BJ was still in the parking lot, and apparently nobody else was.

    Two black males approached him and his girlfriend. BJ saw the gun, drew his own, and then got into a shootout with the man. BJ admitted it was "unclear who shot first". Being the trained marksman he was, BJ riddled the dude with bullets and killed him, while he and his girlfriend remained unharmed. The other black male ran off.

    BJ did not call police. He drove away to his dad's house, asked what to do, and his dad immediately called him a lawyer, and they went to the police together.

    Here's an article about it from April 26: https://racer.com/2020/04/26/baldwin...-in-las-vegas/

    There was some initial skepticism about BJ's story.

    Why didn't he call the police right away? Why did a business owner and experienced gun aficionado in his 40s have to run home to Daddy first?

    And why did all of this happen in the first place? Was BJ really eating fast food in a parking lot, 15+ minutes after In-N-Out closed? Was it possible this was a drug deal gone bad?

    The police did not arrest or charge BJ. Some cried racism. Others said this was corrupt Las Vegas at work, where those connected to the rich and influential often escape consequences for their actions.

    Even I wondered about this. Was it possible that this really was a drug deal gone bad, but with the victim being an unsympathetic character, Bobby used his influence to make it go away?

    Keep in mind that there definitely IS still plenty of corruption and back-scratching in Vegas. It's no longer mob-run, but a lot of things go on in that town which wouldn't fly in other cities. In some ways, Vegas has changed tremendously since the '80s. In other ways, it's still the same place.




    Vindication came for Baldwin soon after, but not from the source you'd expect.

    The two men who approached BJ's girlfriend in the parking lot were brothers Kevin Smith and Joseph Smith. Kevin Smith was not the same guy as the portly actor-director, and Joseph Smith wasn't the same guy as the founder of Mormonism.

    Joseph Smith, 43, was the one BJ shot dead. Police picked up Kevin, and asked him what happened. They expected him to blame the entire thing on BJ, defending his now-deceased brother. Instead, he did the opposite.

    Kevin admitted that the two of them showed up to the parking lot looking for trouble. He said that they had attempted to buy a gun from a store located in that same parking lot earlier in the day, but were denied. (The reason for this denial wasn't stated -- perhaps they failed the background check.) They had earlier thrown a rock at the window at the gun store to get revenge, but Joseph wanted to return to the scene late at night to cause further trouble.

    Kevin claimed that he didn't realize Joseph was going to harm any innocent people, but had a feeling that he was going to do something bad. When they saw BJ and his girlfriend -- the only two remaining in the parking lot -- Joseph decided to go after them. He "smiled at the female after pointing his gun at her, then fired his gun at the male (BJ)", and the shootout ensued. Even though BJ didn't remember who fired first, Kevin remembered -- and he said it was Joseph.

    Kevin then said that BJ jumped behind a trashcan to take cover, and returned fire, hitting Joseph and killing him. Kevin stated that he felt it was self defense, and didn't want to see BJ charged for killing his brother! Wow!

    Police also found that Joseph's girlfriend showed up at the scene and removed his gun, but then later thought better of it and turned it in to police.

    Given all of this information, BJ was not charged, and the DA ruled it self-defense. BJ had a concealed carry permit in Nevada, so he was legally allowed to be carrying a firearm when this broke out. It turned out that this was a legitimate "good guy with a gun story", and that BJ and his girlfriend would likely be dead if he weren't armed at the time.

    Despite his cooperation, Kevin Smith is charged with conspiracy to commit robbery, attempted robbery and assault with a deadly weapon. It is not clear if Kevin had a weapon on him at the time this went down, but he definitely didn't point it at anyone.

    Here's the updated Review Journal article: https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/...fense-2020768/


    The NRA has seized upon this story, and Kevin is already featured in various promotions and commercials, where he tells this story.




    The In-N-Out is located on Tropicana and Fort Apache in western Las Vegas, several miles away from the strip.

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    Also, not to say we have any psychics here, but just 2 hours before this shooting, lol wow posted "BALDWIN NAILED IT"

    https://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sh...l=1#post894782

    How did he know?

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    I posted a link to this article on Real Grinders.

    A poster there named "Manny Perez" posted the following rebuttal to the story:

    Uhmm, okay. The girlfriend of Baldwin is never named in an article that only has six characters in it. The girlfriend of the dead guy magically shows up at the scene and picks up his gun which she hides in her vehicle only to tell the police about it.......because she sat there waiting for them to arrive? The brother gets picked up and throws his own dead brother under the bus without getting any kind of deal. The dead brother, who buy the way tried to buy a gun earlier in the day and was denied but somehow has another gun later that same day was there to get revenge on an empty store? Cough COVERUP cough!
    I'm no Baldwin fan boy, but I don't think this was a coverup.

    Regarding Baldwin's girlfriend, there was no reason to name her, as she did not commit a crime, nor was she involved in the shooting on either side.

    It's very possible that Kevin threw his dead brother under the bus because he was already dead, and perhaps it excused some of his own culpability. What if Kevin also was going to pull his gun and rob or kill BJ and his girlfriend, but thought better of it once the gunbattle took place? Could be easier to blame it on his brother. It's also possible his story was 100% true, and was afraid he was going to be charged with attempted murder if he didn't speak up and explain what happened.

    Just too many elements here for this to be a coverup -- the dead guy's girlfriend taking the gun, Kevin admitting his brother was guilty, the fact that the two brothers had an altercation at the gun store at the very same shopping center earlier that day (which I'm sure was verified in some way)...

    Too many small details would have to come together for this to be a cover-up.

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    they paid off the brother, sfo.
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    Druff- I’m gonna make you laugh and add a known poker player angle to Baldwin...


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    A PFA Radio listener texted me the following:

    Druff, I think you are correct it wasn't a drug deal, but there's something you are overlooking.

    I think it may have been a GUN deal! Remember BJ is very into guns and has said many times in his videos that he has a ton of them. The guys who approached him admitted they had been at a gun store earlier that day and were denied. Maybe that's what this was all about? Also maybe that's why he drove away to his dad's house after the shooting, to hide the guns he had in his trunk! Just a theory but something to consider!
    Interesting theory!

    Lots of things fit here. The thing that was strangest to me about BJ's story was that the dude just whipped out a gun and started firing. Why? He hadn't even gotten very close to them yet. Even if the plan was to mug BJ and his girlfriend, wouldn't it be smarter to pull the gun when you get nearby, so they don't run away?

    That part of the story didn't set well with me. Secondarily, the running home to Daddy thing -- while somewhat explainable (perhaps he didn't want to wait there for the other guy to come back with friends) -- also seems a bit suspicious for a 40-year-old businessman and gun enthusiast.

    If this was a gun deal, perhaps Joseph Smith and his brother Kevin planned to rob BJ of the guns, not knowing that BJ had a concealed weapon on him. Perhaps BJ shot Joseph dead during a robbery attempt of the guns, brother Kevin ran off, and BJ quickly booked it over to Daddy's house so he could hide the trunk full of guns he had.

    It would make sense for Kevin to back BJ's story, making him just a bystander for his reckless brother, rather than an attempted robber during an illegal gun sale.

    Meeting 15 minutes after In-N-Out closed also makes sense, because they could explain why they were all there if the cops rolled up, yet there was a good chance everyone else would be gone.

    The only part that doesn't fit? Would the brother really meet him in the SAME lot where they tried to earlier buy a gun, and threw a rock through the window after being denied?

    Anyway, very interesting theory.

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    honestly that really does work doesnt it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    A PFA Radio listener texted me the following:

    Druff, I think you are correct it wasn't a drug deal, but there's something you are overlooking.

    I think it may have been a GUN deal! Remember BJ is very into guns and has said many times in his videos that he has a ton of them. The guys who approached him admitted they had been at a gun store earlier that day and were denied. Maybe that's what this was all about? Also maybe that's why he drove away to his dad's house after the shooting, to hide the guns he had in his trunk! Just a theory but something to consider!
    Interesting theory!

    Lots of things fit here. The thing that was strangest to me about BJ's story was that the dude just whipped out a gun and started firing. Why? He hadn't even gotten very close to them yet. Even if the plan was to mug BJ and his girlfriend, wouldn't it be smarter to pull the gun when you get nearby, so they don't run away?

    That part of the story didn't set well with me. Secondarily, the running home to Daddy thing -- while somewhat explainable (perhaps he didn't want to wait there for the other guy to come back with friends) -- also seems a bit suspicious for a 40-year-old businessman and gun enthusiast.

    If this was a gun deal, perhaps Joseph Smith and his brother Kevin planned to rob BJ of the guns,
    not knowing that BJ had a concealed weapon on him. Perhaps BJ shot Joseph dead during a robbery attempt of the guns, brother Kevin ran off, and BJ quickly booked it over to Daddy's house so he could hide the trunk full of guns he had.

    It would make sense for Kevin to back BJ's story, making him just a bystander for his reckless brother, rather than an attempted robber during an illegal gun sale.

    Meeting 15 minutes after In-N-Out closed also makes sense, because they could explain why they were all there if the cops rolled up, yet there was a good chance everyone else would be gone.

    The only part that doesn't fit? Would the brother really meet him in the SAME lot where they tried to earlier buy a gun, and threw a rock through the window after being denied?

    Anyway, very interesting theory.

    So they had money to buy it from a store not a guy? Robbery doesn't add up.


    Every (good) father tells their son, no matter what shit you're in or just did, you call me first and i will come no questions asked.

    His father is like what almost 80? Dunno what he could do to help. Might be like the father in Billions lol
    It is in my bones which sucks so can make it hard to move sometimes. Trying to spend as much time with friends and family.

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    I do not consider myself an "expert", but been deep into the 2A community for years and been shooting since 1991. I have also held a CCW for Sac County, CA and the state of Arizona. My take is from some of my past training and when you shoot and kill someone, it is a homicide that will usually lead to the shooter (good guy) being arrested or detained for investigation. The key here is the investigation where they will ask you your story 8-10 different times and look for any difference in details, change, etc. The other key is why did he leave he scene? He should have known better to retreat back to a save location and call 911. All of that training and he left he left the scene?? The more information, witness testimony and you cooperating with LE helps out more. I would not have left the scene. Also, dont know if it was covered yet, but were there any active cameras in the INO parking lot? Did they catch anything?

    Bottom line- Do not leave the scene of a shooting if you dont have to. Stay and be a good witness, especially for yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by desertrunner View Post
    I do not consider myself an "expert", but been deep into the 2A community for years and been shooting since 1991. I have also held a CCW for Sac County, CA and the state of Arizona. My take is from some of my past training and when you shoot and kill someone, it is a homicide that will usually lead to the shooter (good guy) being arrested or detained for investigation. The key here is the investigation where they will ask you your story 8-10 different times and look for any difference in etails, change, etc. The other key is why did he leave he scene? He should have known better to retreat back to a save location and call 911. All of that training and he left he left the scene?? The more information, witness testimony and you cooperating with LE helps out more. I would not have left the scene. Also, dont know if it was covered yet, but were there any active cameras in the INO parking lot? Did they catch anything?

    Bottom line- Do not leave the scene of a shooting if you dont have to. Stay and be a good witness, especially for yourself.
    indeed they do...the reason is a truth teller will always answer the same because he remembers/lived the story, l lie-teller will have to make up stuff and will get confused. Realize what the cops are up to when they do this to you...
    (long before there was a PFA i had my Grenade & Crossbones avatar at DD)

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    And then to have daddy’s lawyer be the one to call the police , lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by desertrunner View Post
    I do not consider myself an "expert", but been deep into the 2A community for years and been shooting since 1991. I have also held a CCW for Sac County, CA and the state of Arizona. My take is from some of my past training and when you shoot and kill someone, it is a homicide that will usually lead to the shooter (good guy) being arrested or detained for investigation. The key here is the investigation where they will ask you your story 8-10 different times and look for any difference in details, change, etc. The other key is why did he leave he scene? He should have known better to retreat back to a save location and call 911. All of that training and he left he left the scene?? The more information, witness testimony and you cooperating with LE helps out more. I would not have left the scene. Also, dont know if it was covered yet, but were there any active cameras in the INO parking lot? Did they catch anything?

    Bottom line- Do not leave the scene of a shooting if you dont have to. Stay and be a good witness, especially for yourself.
    I have also wondered about the cameras. They have not reported anything about them. Were there no cameras in that mini mall? That part is kinda odd, though I guess it's possible.

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    If it was a gun deal, the brothers might have come to the realization that they were never going to be able to purchase a gun legally ever again, and figured they might as well stock up illegal guns.

    Maybe they googled Vegas gun enthusiasts, found BJ, messaged him in some way, and arranged this meetup. Perhaps the goal really was to just buy the guns from BJ, and then Joseph abruptly decided to just rob him of them, and it ended badly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by desertrunner View Post
    I do not consider myself an "expert", but been deep into the 2A community for years and been shooting since 1991. I have also held a CCW for Sac County, CA and the state of Arizona. My take is from some of my past training and when you shoot and kill someone, it is a homicide that will usually lead to the shooter (good guy) being arrested or detained for investigation. The key here is the investigation where they will ask you your story 8-10 different times and look for any difference in details, change, etc. The other key is why did he leave he scene? He should have known better to retreat back to a save location and call 911. All of that training and he left he left the scene?? The more information, witness testimony and you cooperating with LE helps out more. I would not have left the scene. Also, dont know if it was covered yet, but were there any active cameras in the INO parking lot? Did they catch anything?

    Bottom line- Do not leave the scene of a shooting if you dont have to. Stay and be a good witness, especially for yourself
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    staying at the scene and dealing with cops is a reverse freeroll - get out of there and get your shit together FIRST, everything else comes second

    if i had just shot someone justified or otherwise and my dad was one of the most powerful people in nevada i'd go straight to him

    guy has millions of dollars, and is a champion racer with sponsors - why in the hell would he need or want to sell guns to some street thugs at an in-an-out after midnight?

    drug deal gone bad? def possible, or at least more probable than any of the above


    the guy is a hell of a shot, you can tell he's put THOUSANDS of rounds down range

    dan b wishes he could shoot like that (and also kill someone legally)
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    Hi Lew!!!

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    The separated from his girl in a closed place parking lot and not call it in part means it’s likely something else. Gun deal feels wrong. What rich kid makes a gun deal with random black dudes when every camo wearing guy in town has a trunk full of AR-15s?

    It feels like a drug deal. If you have your girl you tell her go stand in the corner and I’ll do this. Doesn’t really change the dynamic whatever it is. He’s the easy guy white mark who wasn’t so easy and was justified, so it’s kind of irrelevant.

    That brother backing up every part of the story to their mutual benefit and his girl grabbing gun, then having some crisis of conscious just isn’t the real world. I feel a bunch of phone calls made behind the scenes. Whatever deal he was making, someone set it up, so he had a contact, and you say, hey he’s dead, yet this can work out for all of us. He took the shot. Even the brother sees the logic in making this all go away.

    I won’t pretend to know exactly, but that official version being 100% kosher is real small.

    The one factor is even if it wasn’t a drug deal, that he’s fucked up. It was nearly 2 AM.

    A few times I’ve witnessed something I couldn’t stick around to talk with cops about because I was fucked up, or had something fucked up on me. No murder, just accidents and fights that I couldn’t hang around and give details on without getting myself in trouble.

    There’s more to the story, but I’m sure it’s buried in the desert and we won’t hear it.

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    It's possible the gun deal wasn't really because BJ needed the money, but maybe he was sympathetic to the guys claiming to need the guns. Maybe they gave him a story about failing a background check because of some silly thing they did 25 years ago, and said all the right pro-gun, anti-government-regulation stuff to get BJ wanting to help them out.

    Kind of like, "I got you, brother, meet me at In-N-Out about 15 minutes after they close at 1:30, I'll take care of you."

    Could've even had a COVID-19 angle to it. Something like, "I want to protect my family when Vegas starts breaking down with everyone unemployed here, and I can't because of this stupid background check thing."

    Just seems like a huge coincidence that the two brothers had failed to buy guns earlier in the day, then one of them indiscriminately fires on a big guns rights activist and firearms enthusiast.

    I agree that the story probably isn't 100% as told, but also that BJ very likely acted defensively, so it doesn't matter a whole lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    It's possible the gun deal wasn't really because BJ needed the money, but maybe he was sympathetic to the guys claiming to need the guns. Maybe they gave him a story about failing a background check because of some silly thing they did 25 years ago, and said all the right pro-gun, anti-government-regulation stuff to get BJ wanting to help them out.

    Kind of like, "I got you, brother, meet me at In-N-Out about 15 minutes after they close at 1:30, I'll take care of you."

    Could've even had a COVID-19 angle to it. Something like, "I want to protect my family when Vegas starts breaking down with everyone unemployed here, and I can't because of this stupid background check thing."


    Just seems like a huge coincidence that the two brothers had failed to buy guns earlier in the day, then one of them indiscriminately fires on a big guns rights activist and firearms enthusiast.

    I agree that the story probably isn't 100% as told, but also that BJ very likely acted defensively, so it doesn't matter a whole lot.
    ZERO POINT ZERO

    just NO WAY he risks everything to help out a couple thugs

    you saw in the video how many guns this guy has, and is a multi-millionaire

    zero chance he'd let a gun go that could very well come back to haunt him - for what??? a few hundred bucks???

    he's a public figure with lucrative sponsorships
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    Quote Originally Posted by WillieMcFML View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    It's possible the gun deal wasn't really because BJ needed the money, but maybe he was sympathetic to the guys claiming to need the guns. Maybe they gave him a story about failing a background check because of some silly thing they did 25 years ago, and said all the right pro-gun, anti-government-regulation stuff to get BJ wanting to help them out.

    Kind of like, "I got you, brother, meet me at In-N-Out about 15 minutes after they close at 1:30, I'll take care of you."

    Could've even had a COVID-19 angle to it. Something like, "I want to protect my family when Vegas starts breaking down with everyone unemployed here, and I can't because of this stupid background check thing."


    Just seems like a huge coincidence that the two brothers had failed to buy guns earlier in the day, then one of them indiscriminately fires on a big guns rights activist and firearms enthusiast.

    I agree that the story probably isn't 100% as told, but also that BJ very likely acted defensively, so it doesn't matter a whole lot.
    ZERO POINT ZERO

    just NO WAY he risks everything to help out a couple thugs

    you saw in the video how many guns this guy has, and is a multi-millionaire

    zero chance he'd let a gun go that could very well come back to haunt him - for what??? a few hundred bucks???

    he's a public figure with lucrative sponsorships
    Agree with WillieMcFML. Also what a NRA GUN SHOOTING TRUCK DRIVING WET DREAM. I mean that NRA AD IS TITS. I mean fuck. its more likely he hired them himself.

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    God bless the NRA.

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    And then to have daddy’s lawyer be the one to call the police , lol.
    Smart people don't talk to cops. Nothing good comes from talking to cops and they can twist your words around or you can incriminate yourself. It's almost entirely downside with almost no upside. All it will do is potentially complicate things down the road for BJ.

    People say that he fled the scene to daddy as if that was a bad move but it makes perfect sense to me. With one other guy still somewhere on the scene, potentially armed, and potentially more people he didn't see, I would be getting the hell out of that area ASAP and daddy and lawyer seem like a much better destination than some random McDonalds/whatever. He went to the best possible place.

    Smart people know that your lawyer is there to help you and fight for you. Smart people know that cops are not there to help you and cops owe you nothing.

    Result? BJ got the best outcome possible. This could've dragged on a lot longer and became much more complicated if he started to blabber out his story in the heat of the moment to the cops. On the other hand, the guy who talked to the cops - probably without a lawyer - got the worst outcome possible.

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