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    Legendary Los Angeles radio station KROQ is effectively done

    Today, Variety magazine published an article about KROQ, a once-obscure but eventually highly influential radio station in the Los Angeles area.

    https://variety.com/2020/music/news/...ne-1234609654/

    KROQ is an alternative music station. Prior to the early 1980s, it was small and mostly unknown. They went to a "Rock of the Eighties" format in 1980, which mixed punk and new wave, and it quickly became very popular with Los Angeles area audiences.

    As the 1980s wore on, KROQ became the most influential alternative music station in the country, bringing the alternative format into the mainstream, as contradictory as that sounds.

    Many on-air personalities went on to much greater fame. Jimmy Kimmel got his start on KROQ as "Jimmy the Sports Guy", for example. Dr. Drew Pinsky and Adam Carolla also originated at KROQ, as did Carson Daly, Shadoe Stevens, Richard Blade, Swedish Egil, and Rodney Bingenheimer, the latter three all hosting alternative shows on Sirius-XM today. Ralph Garman of "The Ralph Report" podcast also began on KROQ.

    KROQ was also the originator of the highly popular Loveline program, which was developed accidenally.

    At the time, radio stations were required to devote a certain number of hours per week to "public service" programs. As these programs rarely fit in with the format of music stations, they would usually be placed during the dead-zone hours of very late night or early Sunday morning.

    A KROQ engineer and sometimes-DJ named Scott Mason volunteered to a dating call-in show called "Loveline" in 1983, in order to meet the public service requirement. Believing that it might actually have some moderate potential to generate okay ratings, they placed it on Sunday night, which is still a fairly dead time for radio, but not as bad as super-late-night or weekend mornings. At first, the show was hosted by Mason and another DJ named Swedish Egil, but the show was boring and bland. The morning surf reporter at KROQ named Jim Trenton was invited to co-host Loveline one night. Trenton brought a fun, outspoken, and cool vibe to the formerly monotone show, and it quickly took off.

    Within a year, Loveline became one of the most popular shows in the country. Finding himself unable to answer serious medical questions related to STDs and similar matters, Trenton was looking for a doctor to co-host with him. He met a young medical student named Drew Pinksy at a party, and offered him a position on the show as "Dr. Drew". That's where Dr. Drew got his start.

    Ten years later, on Trenton's 40th birthday, morning host Bean played a prank on him, where they sent an assistant to walk into one of Trenton's unlocked doors of his house, wake him up, and broadcast his reaction on air.

    Trenton was angry about this, feeling his privacy was violated. Rather than complain to station management, he invited all of his listeners that night to a "midnight party" at a certain address he gave out over the air. It turned out that it was Bean's home address. Bean was terrified by the mob in front of his house, especially after some of the people started to vandalize his property and demand he come out. The LAPD was called to break it up.

    Trenton was fired for this, and his career never recovered. Dr. Drew, his best friend at the time, promised at first to resign if they wouldn't hire Trenton back, but later thought better of it and stayed on. They first hired MTV VJ Riki Rachtman to take Trenton's place, but when Riki sucked, they replaced him with Adam Carolla. That's where Carolla got his start.

    Loveline eventually syndicated and had a slot on MTV, with Carolla and Dr. Drew hosting. Most people outside of LA never realized that it was actually Trenton who created the show. Trenton attempted to sue KROQ twice for this, and lost. He remains bitter about it to this day. Personally, I thought the show sucked once Trenton was fired.

    Morning host Bean had his own controversy. In 1990, a person called into the "Kevin & Bean Show" and confessed on-air to having committed a murder. The LAPD spent a lot of man hours investigating this murder, only to later find out that the entire thing was a hoax. They almost fired Kevin and Bean over this, who were relatively new at the station, but they stayed on.

    Kevin and Bean remained until 2019, when Bean retired in November. Co-host Kevin Ryder remained on, with two new co-hosts joining him.

    That was the beginning of the end. Influential and highly-paid program director Kevin Weatherly had been at his job since 1992, and was told in late February his pay was going to be cut by 30% if he stayed on -- kind of a soft firing. As expected, Weatherly quit. (Weatherly also created the popular and budget-friendly "JACK-FM", which runs with no DJs, and plays classic rock with snarky voice-over clips in between.)

    Some felt that Weatherly's pseudo-firing was deserved and necessary. He seemed to have gotten bored of KROQ, and was spending more time on other projects over the last several years, which coincided with various strategic mistakes that hurt ratings.

    The new program director started demanding they play pop music, such as Post Malone, which had never before been played on the station.

    In March 2020, they fired Kevin after a long trend of plummeting station and show ratings. KROQ has trailed its Los Angeles alternative competitor "Alt 98.7" for years now, and it looks like they've finally given up on the format -- and their longtime morning show.

    KROQ is on its way out as an alternative station. If there were never a KROQ, it is unlikely that alternative music -- the genre which eventually gave rise to Coachella and Lollapalooza -- would have any more than a niche following.

    RIP KROQ

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    In the article, it describes Kevin Ryder's abrupt firing from his morning show in March, and how it angered him in the way it was handled:

    Instead, a stunned Ryder gave a quick on-air goodbye, expressing his disappointment with how the end of the show was handled. “I’m truly baffled by KROQ’s cold, heartless attitude toward the people who built this station,” he said on air. “They’ll say it’s just business, but for a long time, it wasn’t. For a long time, it was family and no business.”

    Because of the abrupt cancellation, KROQ listeners were alienated, and replacement show “Stryker & Klein” was forced to try and clean up the mess — and win back those fans who had kissed off KROQ for good.
    KROQ lost half its listeners after Kevin Ryder was fired.

    The idiot program director thought that Ryder would be okay with the firing, and would be willing to transfer within the company to podcasting.

    Yeah, right.


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    Master Scalir was obsessed with KROQ, to the point of calling himself "KROQ Ken" on his social media accounts, despite no official association with the station at any point.

    I did end up on the Kevin & Bean morning show in the '90s without even realizing it.

    Ken started talking to some girl from a newspaper personal ad who happened to be a screener at KROQ. He tried to call her on 3-way one night to introduce her to me, but we got her answering machine. When the beep came, I spontaneously pretended to be an Americanized version of Richard Blade (who is from England), starting off with, "It's the World Famous KROQ, I'm Richard Blade... I know I don't sound like Richard Blade, but let's not worry about the details here." Then Master Scalir and I bantered back and forth as if we were on a morning show.

    The girl was so baffled by this, that she brought it into work and played it for Kevin & Bean. They thought it was really funny, played the message on the air, and then advised her not to meet poor Master Scalir.

    Someone woke me up with a call that morning, saying, "You're on KROQ!"

    I responded, "No I'm not, I was sleeping."

    The person answered, "Seriously, you're on KROQ. Turn it on."

    I turned it on, and there was my voice. Surreal.

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    the 4 letter radio code thing is very strange, isn't it? must be a uniquely American thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrTickle View Post
    the 4 letter radio code thing is very strange, isn't it? must be a uniquely American thing
    It's North American.

    Canada and Mexico do it, too.

    In the US west of the Mississippi, the station starts with K.

    In the US east of the Mississippi, the station starts with W.

    In Canada, the station starts with C.

    In Mexico, the station starts with X.

    There are some stations broadcasting out of northern Mexico with the intended audience of the US market, and are owned by US companies. This is because Mexico didn't have the same power restrictions, and there are some grandfathered Mexican stations with a super-strong signal. These are called "clear channel" stations, where their range is so wide that no other market in a large radius is allowed to have the same frequency.

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    Here's the comment I posted at the end of the article:

    Very well researched article!

    KROQ is now destined for the scrap heap, for reasons cited in the article. They had a chance to transition away from Kevin and Bean and get more modern, but they messed it up royally, and let hapless Alt 98.7 eat their lunch.

    I liken this to the story of Myspace and Facebook. Facebook didn't beat Myspace -- Myspace beat themselves, and Facebook just picked up the ball and ran with it.

    They didn't understand that they had an older demographic which felt attached to longtime beloved personalities -- Lisa May, Ralph Garman, Rodney Bingenheimer, and especially Kevin & Bean. As the article noted, with each mishandling of the firing of these personalities, a segment of their audience got angry and never returned. Sadly, while all of this occurred, they also failed to innovate, so they didn't gain new audience to replace those they kept losing.

    Now it looks like they're trying to be a bad hybrid of their existing selves and a top-40 station like KIIS, which isn't going to appeal to anyone.

    The fact that they're trying now to reach out to an "ethnically diverse" audience with a once-a-week Latin-themed show is cringeworthy. The KROQ brand is as lily white as it comes, and that ain't changing. The brand has been known that way for decades. If they want to appeal to a nonwhite demographic, they need to scrap the entire station and start over.

    Speaking of KIIS, they went through something similar when they treated legend Rick Dees poorly at the end, and slowly but painfully pushed him out the door in favor of Ryan Seacrest. It was shameful, and Dees deserved better after all he had done for them for the past 20 years. But you know what? At least KIIS had a plan. At least they knew where they were going, and as a result, the station survived. (They also weren't changing formats -- only the longtime morning show.)

    KROQ has no idea where it's going, no idea what it's doing, and even if they decide, it's too late.

    Time to shut it down and start over with new call letters and a new format. Stick a fork in KROQ. It's done.

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    Comment from one "Kenneth Scalir":

    I have mixed opinions about KROQ. KROQ has fired or eased out too many amazing DJs and personalities, from Ralph Garman, Rodney Bingenheimer, Jim “Poorman” Trenton, Freddy Snakeskin, Richard Blade, Jed the Fish, Kevin Ryder, and so many others. I wonder if Weatherly did not leave KROQ in February that Kevin Ryder and crew would still have their morning show. I also agree that classic KROQ played so many great bands, from the Smiths to Joy Division, the Strokes to the Replacements, the Cure to Ned’s Atomic Dustbin, Sonic Youth to Mary’s Danish. I am glad that Kaplan and Federman tried to freshen up the playlist by stop overplaying Foo Fighters, Sublime and the criminally overrated Red Hot Chili Peppers. However, playing rap and hip hop and sounds of Top 40 is a lousy replacement. Instead, KROQ should play more current indie rock and indie pop music, such as what Rodney Bingenheimer, Morning Becomes Ecclectic, Part Time Punks, and Henry Rollins play on their respective radio shows, and stations like XMU play on XM/Sirius radio. KROQ used to take chances musically, and they should again by embracing a lot of these up and coming indie bands that are still making some great music today. Leave the rap and top 40 bands for top 40, hip hop and “hot” AC radio station formats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrTickle View Post
    the 4 letter radio code thing is very strange, isn't it? must be a uniquely American thing
    Pretty sure we invented Radio and every fucking thing else that matters so we are gonna use as many or as few letters as we want if that's ok with you?

    The birth of public radio broadcasting is credited to Lee de Forest who transmitted the world’s first public broadcast in New York City on January 13, 1910. This broadcast featured the voices of Enrico Caruso and other Metropolitan Opera stars. Members of the public and the press used earphones to listen to the broadcast in several locations throughout the city. This marked the beginning of what would become nearly universal wireless radio communication.
    You collectivist losers ruining the planet are hilarious... Imagine being triggered by using call letters for a way of communicating we pioneered.

    Go cheer for Team Lockdown and let the capitalists fix the world like they always do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidewinder View Post
    Pretty sure we invented Radio and every fucking thing else that matters
    Matters to whom? The ancient Greeks invented gay porn, I bet that matters to OSA.

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    Every radio station you love eventually breaks your heart.

    I still miss everything about WBCN, Boston.

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    Coming soon to 106.7 FM ???


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    If they brought the "Roq of the 80's" format over from their HD2 channel, I'd listen all day, every day. They could brand it as Classic KROQ or something like that. Unfortunately, the chances of that happening are probably slim to none.

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    KROQ has been pretty terrible for the past 10+ years. To be fair terrestrial radio in Los Angeles has been going downhill fast. K-Earth 101 is literally playing the same songs as Jack FM. There was a really good classic rock station called the Sound that went DD in pretty shitty circumstances. I remember when in the mid 90s KNAC turned into KNACHO overnight which was a dark day.

    I wasn't much into Kevin and Bean as I was more of a Mark and Brian guy.

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    Remember when KPPX went from metal to EASY LISTENING?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwai View Post
    Remember when KPPX went from metal to EASY LISTENING?????

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    I listened to the show in the morning the last couple years and on and off the last 30 years. I don't know why, but I actually remember one of Kevin and Bean (I dont remember who) getting a vasectomy on the air live when I was a kid.

    I actually thought the current show was good with Ally and Jensen, even after Bean and Ralph Garmin left. Seemed, the 3 of them (Kevin, Ally, Jensen) had good chemistry and were funny.

    But if the ratings were dropping it is what it is. I would guess the rating decline had more to do with changing demographics in So Cal (white people leaving and Hispanic Mexican speaking increasing) along with a shift away from terrestrial FM during commuting, more than the quality of the show dropping.

    Also, the morning show was shuttled right when Coronavirus started. I haven't been listening to KROQ since then, but I haven't been listening to anything because I don't drive anywhere in the morning anymore. I wouldn't read too much into the 50% decline because of this. I imagine this is across the board due to Coronavirus.

    I also think Stryker and Klein in the afternoon drive time slot are good. But again, I haven't listened in months because I don't drive anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Comment from one "Kenneth Scalir":

    I have mixed opinions about KROQ. KROQ has fired or eased out too many amazing DJs and personalities, from Ralph Garman, Rodney Bingenheimer, Jim “Poorman” Trenton, Freddy Snakeskin, Richard Blade, Jed the Fish, Kevin Ryder, and so many others. I wonder if Weatherly did not leave KROQ in February that Kevin Ryder and crew would still have their morning show. I also agree that classic KROQ played so many great bands, from the Smiths to Joy Division, the Strokes to the Replacements, the Cure to Ned’s Atomic Dustbin, Sonic Youth to Mary’s Danish. I am glad that Kaplan and Federman tried to freshen up the playlist by stop overplaying Foo Fighters, Sublime and the criminally overrated Red Hot Chili Peppers. However, playing rap and hip hop and sounds of Top 40 is a lousy replacement. Instead, KROQ should play more current indie rock and indie pop music, such as what Rodney Bingenheimer, Morning Becomes Ecclectic, Part Time Punks, and Henry Rollins play on their respective radio shows, and stations like XMU play on XM/Sirius radio. KROQ used to take chances musically, and they should again by embracing a lot of these up and coming indie bands that are still making some great music today. Leave the rap and top 40 bands for top 40, hip hop and “hot” AC radio station formats.
    I actually read this article and comment yesterday thinking "Damn that Ned's Atomic Dustbin reference was a super DEEP pull." Criminally overrated RHCP is fire lol.

    It sucks what has happened to KROQ. I mean the Kevin and Bean show clearly couldn't go on forever, but the way that they did that whole morning crew was just fucking dirty. Then leaving Stryker and Klein to clean up the mess is just wrong. For a show that literally launched some of the biggest careers in show biz to end so unceremoniously is just wrong.

    On the other hand the "Cart Narcs" bit on the Woody Show is genius.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bootsy Collins View Post
    KROQ has been pretty terrible for the past 10+ years. To be fair terrestrial radio in Los Angeles has been going downhill fast. K-Earth 101 is literally playing the same songs as Jack FM. There was a really good classic rock station called the Sound that went DD in pretty shitty circumstances. I remember when in the mid 90s KNAC turned into KNACHO overnight which was a dark day.

    I wasn't much into Kevin and Bean as I was more of a Mark and Brian guy.
    Yeah it was very disappointing how they slowly ruined KRTH. They decided they didn't want to keep playing '50s and '60s songs, because that made the audience too old. So then they added the '70s, which was kinda ok, but didn't really fit in with the longstanding theme. Then they added '80s and did away with the '50s and '60s. Now it's all '70s and '80s (mostly '80s), which as you said, is already done on JACK-FM.

    As much as I like '70s and '80s music, now there isn't a major LA station which plays '50s and '60s music, which sucks. I listen to Sirius XM for that now.

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    i ike this angry samoans song about rodney bingenheimer

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    Classic KROQ!!! Poorman makes an appearance near the end.


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