Setting up a private cash game on a free poker app

[Daly]

Of course it “can” work. You just need a pool of 12-20 local people who like to play cards for a few hours each night who have $500-$1000 of cash and OSA would need to have the trust of these people not to fuck them over.

What usually happens is you end up with a pool of players who pay up front (the pros) and a group of folks you want in the game as they are action (the fish) and get others to play but are good credit risks. OSA would need to help finance that part of it. Sometimes the pros are on credit and the fish pay up front but more often than not it’s the way I first described.

Despite some of the bad publicity on this board this model does work and there are folks who are making money both as agents and players.

There are more who have been scammed ... this model is for idiots

Find me someone who has been scammed and I’d be willing to bet they were playing for “real” money with people who lived outside of the local area.

If OSA from New York wanted me to play in a club that ran a 2-5-10 PLO game with people from around the world it would be a hard pass.

I know of three local clubs within my area that run like clockwork. No giganic games (ok one of them plays big) and I personally know the name and all the people they run with. Once every few weeks you hear a story about someone not being able to cover a 1-2K tab and they take a break. The agent pays everyone out with the rake that’s been collected and he has to track it down over time. The offending player turns up in another club or at one of the local card rooms everybody in the community knows within a day.

It’s really a lot like the local sports betting shops in many respects. It all comes down to the people involved like most other things in life.

[duped_samaritan]

First bagels and now this...

[OSA]

First bagels and now this...

I can show you my IG screenshot buddy. I understand these yokels from Indiana or Nebraska not donating, but shame on you for not helping out your fellow NY'ers. You could one day need their help, you never know

[OSA]

There are more who have been scammed ... this model is for idiots

Find me someone who has been scammed and I’d be willing to bet they were playing for “real” money with people who lived outside of the local area.

If OSA from New York wanted me to play in a club that ran a 2-5-10 PLO game with people from around the world it would be a hard pass.

I know of three local clubs within my area that run like clockwork. No giganic games (ok one of them plays big) and I personally know the name and all the people they run with. Once every few weeks you hear a story about someone not being able to cover a 1-2K tab and they take a break. The agent pays everyone out with the rake that’s been collected and he has to track it down over time. The offending player turns up in another club or at one of the local card rooms everybody in the community knows within a day.

It’s really a lot like the local sports betting shops in many respects. It all comes down to the people involved like most other things in life.

I would never run a game on credit. Waking up or going to sleep not knowing if you're going to get paid would be too much stress. I would only run a game based on cash upfront first.

[simpdog]

Find me someone who has been scammed and I’d be willing to bet they were playing for “real” money with people who lived outside of the local area.

If OSA from New York wanted me to play in a club that ran a 2-5-10 PLO game with people from around the world it would be a hard pass.

I know of three local clubs within my area that run like clockwork. No giganic games (ok one of them plays big) and I personally know the name and all the people they run with. Once every few weeks you hear a story about someone not being able to cover a 1-2K tab and they take a break. The agent pays everyone out with the rake that’s been collected and he has to track it down over time. The offending player turns up in another club or at one of the local card rooms everybody in the community knows within a day.

It’s really a lot like the local sports betting shops in many respects. It all comes down to the people involved like most other things in life.

I would never run a game on credit. Waking up or going to sleep not knowing if you're going to get paid would be too much stress. I would only run a game based on cash upfront first.

And I think Daly would say the game is the game.

If a fish loses $200 and is looking for credit you're waiting for them to send you $200? But what if they get paid tomorrow on Friday?

Have to keep the game going....

[peter mcneil]

I've been regularly playing in a home game on stars with play money and we e-transfer afterwards as well as another on pokerrrr2. Pokerrrr2 is the way better option. Tracks all results, very customizable, once you get used to software it feels at least a little bit realistic. The only downside is that some guys don't have a large screen device and it agitates them having to play on their phones, no option to play on a computer (that we know of). PokerStars home games are a miserable option, 8 second time clock, charges a large rake. Stars obviously making the home game option with play money as shitty as possible so people load up some money and pay stars to operate a real money home game.

We hop on zoom and the games are a lot of fun, tons of shit talk, some of the guys get pretty boozy. We play a 40 cent big blind game but there's always a straddle and it ends up playing closer to an aggro 1-2 game.

[peter mcneil]

Find me someone who has been scammed and I’d be willing to bet they were playing for “real” money with people who lived outside of the local area.

If OSA from New York wanted me to play in a club that ran a 2-5-10 PLO game with people from around the world it would be a hard pass.

I know of three local clubs within my area that run like clockwork. No giganic games (ok one of them plays big) and I personally know the name and all the people they run with. Once every few weeks you hear a story about someone not being able to cover a 1-2K tab and they take a break. The agent pays everyone out with the rake that’s been collected and he has to track it down over time. The offending player turns up in another club or at one of the local card rooms everybody in the community knows within a day.

It’s really a lot like the local sports betting shops in many respects. It all comes down to the people involved like most other things in life.

I would never run a game on credit. Waking up or going to sleep not knowing if you're going to get paid would be too much stress. I would only run a game based on cash upfront first.

We had one guy owing $1,350 to the game take 2 weeks to pay and it was fucking annoying. New rule we've implemented is you can't get into any new games without squaring up what you owe. Asking for cash up front or e-transfers for every top up or re-load is probably a good idea if the games play big.

[OSA]

I would never run a game on credit. Waking up or going to sleep not knowing if you're going to get paid would be too much stress. I would only run a game based on cash upfront first.

And I think Daly would say the game is the game.

If a fish loses $200 and is looking for credit you're waiting for them to send you $200? But what if they get paid tomorrow on Friday?

Have to keep the game going....

They are all fish though. If I extend credit to one fish Ill have to extend it to many others. I am not running an aquarium lol. I took $100 and in 3.5 hrs, while tabling another tournament, cashed out $520, @ a .50/1 game. 5 or 6 people going to the flop is a thing that happens a lot on a $5-$8 raise. If they have to wait till Friday to get $200, they are a ticking time bomb and need to be dropped anyway, you know, a wasting asset.

[OSA]

So I have changed my business plan to start referring to this heavily trafficked poker club that has a ton of cash tables at limits starting from .01/.02 up to 5/10.

According to google the average 1/2 player pays $10 per hour in rake, so a typical 3 hr session would be $30 bucks.


They have already offered 50% of all the rake(portion of which will go to the person that gave me the players info) and I was thinking of asking for an additional referral bonus(something along the lines of $25 a player after they make their first deposit which will go directly to me). Any thoughts?

[blake]

So I have changed my business plan to start referring to this heavily trafficked poker club that has a ton of cash tables at limits starting from .01/.02 up to 5/10.

According to google the average 1/2 player pays $10 per hour in rake, so a typical 3 hr session would be $30 bucks.


They have already offered 50% of all the rake(portion of which will go to the person that gave me the players info) and I was thinking of asking for an additional referral bonus(something along the lines of $25 a player after they make their first deposit which will go directly to me). Any thoughts?

you have to give a full trip report after you're arrested

[ErickAA]

I have been invited to a couple of these through local bookies. It is all small cash game no limit, which bores the hell out of me, so I haven't bothered yet. Honestly, I would rather read preprint Coronavirus papers than play 1-2 NLHE online. To each their own.

They are all doing it on credit FWIW. But probably all the players are from the bookies sports betting stable, so their isn't a lot of concern of being stiffed, at least relative to the profit. I am sure all bookies get stiffed once and awhile. Just part of the business.

[BetCheckBet]

I've been regularly playing in a home game on stars with play money and we e-transfer afterwards as well as another on pokerrrr2. Pokerrrr2 is the way better option. Tracks all results, very customizable, once you get used to software it feels at least a little bit realistic. The only downside is that some guys don't have a large screen device and it agitates them having to play on their phones, no option to play on a computer (that we know of). PokerStars home games are a miserable option, 8 second time clock, charges a large rake. Stars obviously making the home game option with play money as shitty as possible so people load up some money and pay stars to operate a real money home game.

We hop on zoom and the games are a lot of fun, tons of shit talk, some of the guys get pretty boozy. We play a 40 cent big blind game but there's always a straddle and it ends up playing closer to an aggro 1-2 game.

My Group does the exact same. Play money game on stars and etransfers.

[peter mcneil]

I've been regularly playing in a home game on stars with play money and we e-transfer afterwards as well as another on pokerrrr2. Pokerrrr2 is the way better option. Tracks all results, very customizable, once you get used to software it feels at least a little bit realistic. The only downside is that some guys don't have a large screen device and it agitates them having to play on their phones, no option to play on a computer (that we know of). PokerStars home games are a miserable option, 8 second time clock, charges a large rake. Stars obviously making the home game option with play money as shitty as possible so people load up some money and pay stars to operate a real money home game.

We hop on zoom and the games are a lot of fun, tons of shit talk, some of the guys get pretty boozy. We play a 40 cent big blind game but there's always a straddle and it ends up playing closer to an aggro 1-2 game.

My Group does the exact same. Play money game on stars and etransfers.

What do you do with the rake after? We just split it evenly.

[OSA]

So the club I'm talking about has no credit. I join as an agent and send and receive money as normal. If anyone wants to join, Ill give them 50% RB

[blake]

OSA: why do you always have to troll

that really wasn't trolling. is there no risk of getting arrested?

[lol wow]

why do you have to always troll chang youre the father of 2 gross kids

[simpdog]

OSA: why do you always have to troll

that really wasn't trolling. is there no risk of getting arrested?

I don't believe any American affiliates of any major poker/gambling site were ever arrested?

I mean true affiliates not "affiliates" that really were running things.

[blake]

maybe i don't understand what OSA is doing. it sounds like he's recruiting players for am underground cardroom, albeit online. why is this different from operating an illegal brick and mortar casino?

i guess recruiting players even if you're getting a percentage of the house take might not be the same as spreading the games?

[simpdog]

maybe i don't understand what OSA is doing. it sounds like he's recruiting players for am underground cardroom, albeit online. why is this different from operating an illegal brick and mortar casino?

What I'm saying is they will bust the cardroom not OSA.

[blake]

maybe i don't understand what OSA is doing. it sounds like he's recruiting players for am underground cardroom, albeit online. why is this different from operating an illegal brick and mortar casino?

What I'm saying is they will bust the cardroom not OSA.

i'm definitely ratting out OSA though