Originally Posted by
Dustin Mc
Holy shit Dan, I mustve glanced over this. Are you kidding me telling Hoosier dont bother contacting the FBI about this? Wow. I'm shocked you would advise him with such horrible advice "to just let it go".......BULL FUCKING SHIT! He absolutely needs to get that local police report and file a report with the Fbi. You just sounded like many others who told me "dont go to the FBI" or "youre just wasting your time, they wont do anything"...... If I had that mentality the morgenstern would still be monetarily and physically harming people to this date.....i will let it be known in your forum, THIS FUCKING PISSES ME OFF TO HIGH HELL YOU ADVISING HIM TO NOT GO TO FBI WITH THIS!
The FBI was doing something, aldeit keystone cops and the USAO was giving him green light to keep investigating, I just ran out of patience after that year long investigation ultimately which led to the USAO dropping my case
This is an internet matter, that Hoosier uncovered he went to a CM fake FB accounts posing as Bob Hesley. This also is a internet crime. So how many other fake FB accounts has he created with do you? That's what the FBI is for and it's up to them to decide what priority level this falls under. Yes, probably the lowest, but from gathering intel, he's duped approximately 90K + im as little as 5 months from people. My bet is in order to do that he's used fake fb accounts in his fb group in order to create fictitious events, fictitious stories in order to get people to go from giving him from their $750 worthless strategies to the $2500 1 on 1 coaching.
This is ILLEGAL internet fraud and is a felony. Again, still probably going to fall under the lowest priority, but Hoosier needs to atleast try which is calling the FBI and have their report takers document everything, including how he messaged Bob and it was CM doing more identity theft. If it doesnt land on a field officers desk, then atleast he tried as far as he could go, BUT ATLEAST TRY.
I can coach him through what now the report taker will do and how Hoosier needs to tell them his family is worried and are now being harassed
The Morgenstern thing was a much more serious matter, as you showed in your videos.
The FBI gets tonnnnnnnnnnnnns of reports every day about internet "crimes". You'd be shocked if you saw the vast number they get every day. That's why they made it very difficult to even find a phone number for them. If they made a phone number easily available, they would get inundated with phone calls all day.
The FBI would not even bother to touch a case like this, where a guy's social security number is exposed on a paper in a video that's up for 6 hours. It's one of these things which is technically illegal, but the FBI would never touch.
CM's scamming itself would possibly be caseworthy if it occurred on a greater scale. However, right now it's simply not big enough. It's a small-time operation, which is why CM isn't actually rich. The CM "coaching" matter is one which, right now, would best be handled by a civil lawsuit or a report to the local police by actual victims. (Sadly, you and I cannot report this, as we weren't victims of CM.)
There's the other problem that selling a "winning system" by itself isn't illegal, of course. Let's say I were to sell a variation of card counting which I believed gave people an additional edge, but it turned out I made a math mistake, and my system was actually -EV. This wouldn't be a crime -- at worst I could be sued for misrepresentation.
It's only a crime when you're knowingly selling a shit system and claiming it wins. Clearly that's what CM is doing. However, law enforcement could easily get confused by all of this, and simply believe it's a civil matter, like in my example above. A dedicated detective could put together a lot of CM's false claims (such as stories about winning "every time" or "winning $5,000 on average per session"), and connect that to his false claims about his system winning. Still, authorities don't usually touch stuff like this. That's how some of these scammer sportsbetting touts like Vegas Dave get away with it.
With YouTube, it's all about who you know. If I were friends with a middle manager at YouTube, CM's channel would be shut down today. There are plenty of violations he's already committed. Sadly, I'm not friends with a manager at YouTube, but if someone could connect us with one, attention could be brought to his channel, and it could be deleted.
You're correct that, in general, YouTube doesn't like removing controversial channels, especially when copyright issues are not in play. However, it can still be done if you reach the right people.