Page 1 of 6 12345 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 102

Thread: D Lucky: Social media slot player charging people over $1700 to spend 10 minutes with him

  1. #1
    Gold Forum Wars's Avatar
    Reputation
    1288
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Posts
    1,674
    Load Metric
    64840621

    D Lucky: Social media slot player charging people over $1700 to spend 10 minutes with him

    D Loser, er, D Lucky update from EZ Slots tonight...guy is a piece of work:

    Why why why do people fall for this crap?!!!:


     
    Comments
      
      JeffDime:

  2. #2
    Gold
    Reputation
    2150
    Join Date
    Nov 2020
    Posts
    1,364
    Load Metric
    64840621
    I watched the EZ Slots video tonight, which included two TikTok videos from people who lost with D Lucky. One guy described the process he went through just to get to the point where he actually met up with this scammer. It’s quite amazing how sophisticated the scam is. He’s got a few people working with him to set things up including communicating with the marks, making sure they show up at specific times and places, making them sign a (likely non-legal) NDA, and making sure they go to the cage and exchange cash for slot vouchers (not sure why this is done but oh well). From the sounds of it there must be at least a half dozen people involved in this scam. It’s a pretty well-oiled machine…minus the part where he apparently now is banned from all MGM peripheries. Seems like Wynn and Resorts for the moment don’t care.

    What I also found interesting is when the guy in the TikTok video describes the number of people that were actually waiting to meet with D Lucky. Is this guy seriously that popular? On that day alone it sounded like he met with 8-10 people That would be $15K of revenue just for those. Very disturbing that there are that many idiots who would fall for this on a daily basis. But then again…this guy is connected to Vegas Dave so I’m sure he’s been well schooled in how to make a scam like this work.

     
    Comments
      
      Tellafriend:
      
      JeffDime:

  3. #3
    Gold PositiveVariance's Avatar
    Reputation
    1976
    Join Date
    Jun 2020
    Posts
    1,580
    Load Metric
    64840621
    Great job by EZ Slots for exposing this D Lucky clown.

    It’s absolutely pathetic people fall for it.

    The dude in the second TikTok video shows up wearing a D LUCKY HAT! LOL

    He is all excited, then he gets a text saying his “experience” was being moved from the Wynn to EL CORTEZ LOL



    10:08 mark:

    Keep in mind they are playing $100 Spins.

    “We didn’t hit nuthin’, not a damn dollar...”
    “...I will say, he hooked it up with drinks”
    Is this dude not aware that the casino will give you anything you want by playing $100/spin?? This dude literally thinks D Lucky bought the drinks!

    I’m fucking speechless, this shit is unreal.


    In all seriousness, before I started following these gambling scammers, I had no idea that people actually exist that will give these people money.

    They are knowingly giving a guy money to pick a “winning machine”, then they show up wearing his apparel.




    EZ Slots, if you read this, I was somewhat surprised as well that the Wynn would take a sponsorship from him. These slot tournaments they will let anyone sponsor them. He will have to pay something like 15k up front, then he will get a commission on any number, let’s say over 100 entries (not sure the exact cutoff). I agree, Wynn should have done their due diligence. Hopefully if enough of us contact them they may pull the plug on this scamming piece of shit.

     
    Comments
      
      Forum Wars: Good Points PV
      
      BedWetterBettor: PV, there are people who troll casinos and practically live there by leeching off whales and naive slot players. I know a guy who does it every day and security does NOTHING! It’s shocking!!
      
      JeffDime:
    Last edited by PositiveVariance; 11-30-2022 at 01:55 AM.

  4. #4
    Gold PositiveVariance's Avatar
    Reputation
    1976
    Join Date
    Jun 2020
    Posts
    1,580
    Load Metric
    64840621
    Something that I found very telling is the fact that he moved the session from the Wynn to the El Cortez. If you arnt familiar with the El Cortez, it’s literally in the running for shittiest casino in Vegas.

    EZ says D Lucky is banned from all MGM properties. There certainly are better places besides El Cortez. I do think El Cortez was the planned casino all along, and it gets changed last minute to possibly prevent others from showing up.

    I would like to know if the players used their own players card?

    I could see a situation where D Lucky has an agreement with EL Cortez to receive some type of kickback.

     
    Comments
      
      lck2000: Cortez is a magnet for low life losers
      
      JeffDime:

  5. #5
    Owner Dan Druff's Avatar
    Reputation
    10078
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Posts
    54,522
    Blog Entries
    2
    Load Metric
    64840621
    I'm going to do a radio segment about D Lucky next week.

    In the meantime, I want to let you guys know that a PFA Radio listener contacted the Wynn and killed that tournament at the Wynn. Apparently this person had some contacts over there, and was able to convince them that D Lucky was a fraud, and it would make them look terrible.

    LOL @ the Wynn not doing a simple google search before letting this shifty fool hold a tournament there. Dreadful.

  6. #6
    Owner Dan Druff's Avatar
    Reputation
    10078
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Posts
    54,522
    Blog Entries
    2
    Load Metric
    64840621
    D Lucky has a much slicker and more carefully constructed operation than Christopher Mitchell. The difference is that D Lucky is likely at least a semi-intelligent guy, whereas Christopher Mitchell is a certified idiot.

    Unlike Christopher Mitchell, D Lucky is very cautious in his language. He IMPLIES he is a big slot winner and is providing you with valuable information, but he does not directly state it. He also does not promise you will win (or be a favorite to win) if you do one his $1795 "experiences", where you spend a whopping 10 minutes with him.

    Let's start by looking at his claim on his "About" page:

    D LUCKY is regarded as one of the most elite slot machine players in the world after setting numerous records for consistent payouts in Casino Slot Play since 2006.

    Now D LUCKY brings his knowledge and expertise to the public so anyone who is interested in playing slot machines can do so with the inside tips and strategies from the most successful slot machine player in the world.
    Is he "one of the most elite slot machine players in the world"? Obviously not. Those would be advantage slots players, who painstakingly search for machines temporarily in +EV states. I doubt that D Lucky does this.

    But notice he does not directly claim to be a winning slots gambler! He only claims to have set "numerous records for consistent payouts in Casino Slot play since 2006". That doesn't mean he's winning -- just that he's getting consistent payouts. If you put in $100 every day and you cash out $50 in each session, you're losing $50 per day, but you're still getting "consistent payouts". In fact, he's not even talking about cashouts. He's talking about PAYOUTS, which means a single slot pull where you get more than zero. A $100 slot pull returning $1 would be considered a payout. So the above claim implies to novices that he's a winner, but the actual claims mean nothing and he can easily prove them via their literal meaning.


    Now let's take a look at the $1795 D Lucky Experience description:

    D Lucky Las Vegas Experience - $1,795.00 (PER PERSON) - NON REFUNDABLE!

    This is our most popular experience in Las Vegas.

    The D Lucky Experience is a great way to learn about Las Vegas. This experience is a meet and greet with D Lucky in a Las Vegas High Limit Slot room. Every day it will be a different High Limit slot room. D Lucky will take the time to show you around a High Limit Las Vegas slot room and what slot machines he really likes. Learn and have fun with D Lucky.

    This is a 10 min experience. Example of casinos we will meet at: Wynn, Bellagio, MGM Grand, Circa, The D, Downtown Casinos, Mandalay Bay, Aria, Cosmopolitan, Venetian, and Encore. (Every day will be a different casino and a different experience.)

    What's included in the D Lucky Las Vegas Experience?

    1. Thumbs Up Photo Op (1 Photo Per Person)
    2. Swag Bag (QTY: 1)
    3. Meet and Greet with D Lucky (10 Mins)
    This is only a promise of a meet-and-greet. Meeting D Lucky for 10 minutes for $1795 would be no different than paying $1795 to meet and take a photo with baseball superstar Aaron Judge. If you met with Aaron Judge, nobody would promise that you'd become a better baseball player, and by the same token, D Lucky is NOT promising above that you will win while gambling with him. This is being sold as a celebrity meetup, but it's implied that it's more. Let's read the rest of it:

    Optional Add on During the Meet and Greet - FREE (read below) – D Lucky Jackpot Experience

    D Lucky Jackpot Experience – FREE optional add on service

    KEEP 100% OF THE JACKPOTS YOU HIT.

    No Guarantees No Guarantees No Guarantees

    This is just for fun.
    Slots is not a way to earn $$$ if you are in need of it.
    Odds are Against you.

    Most people that come to Las Vegas never get a chance to hit a jackpot on a slot machine. In Las Vegas there are thousands of Jackpots hit every single day. D Lucky by far hits more jackpots then anyone else in Las Vegas on a yearly basis. He's now giving everyone a chance to play slots the way he plays slots.
    This is why D Lucky is so much smarter than Christopher Mitchell. Rather than posing as a "gambling coach" and promising to "change your life" like Mitchell does, D Lucky is simply providing a "free optional add-on" where he suggests slots for you to play. He's VERY CAREFUL to state that there are "No Guarantees" and that "Odds are Against you".

    By making the slot play free, nobody can sue him for the $1795 back, claiming that he didn't live up to the promise of being a slot expert. You are paying the $1795 to simply meet him and take a photo with him, and the slot stuff is just an optional thing he'll do for you voluntarily, for no additional money. Clever!



    He goes on to write:

    WHY PLAY SLOTS WITH D LUCKY?

    FUN, EXCITING, CREATE MEMORIES, FRIENDSHIPS, AND EXPERIENCE THE THRILL OF POSSIBLY HITTING JACKPOTS AND LIGHTING UP MACHINES “JUST LIKE THAT!”



    How does the D Lucky Jackpot Playing Experience work?

    Jackpots hit very quickly just like the LIVE videos D Lucky shows on Instagram, Tik Tok, and Youtube. That means these sessions will be very quick between 5-10 minutes. If a jackpot doesn't hit within 5-10 minutes, it's not worth chasing after. You'll learn this and many other things in this D Lucky Slot Playing Experience. Bring $1,000 minimum up to $5,000.00 of slot play to hit a jackpot with D Lucky.

    You will bring $1,000 minimum up to $5,000.00.

    The optional free jackpot experience will consists of D Lucky picking out the best slot machines for you and explaining why he thinks these machines are the best ones to hit a jackpot on.

    You will play your $1,000 Minimum up to $5,000.00 MAX to hit jackpots u keep 100% of any jackpot hit.

    No Guarantees, however if you like slots this is your best opportunity to learn and play with the best! Possibly get a Jackpot!
    .
    .
    .
    This is a Free service. In the event that there are no good machines to play, D Lucky can reschedule the D Lucky Jackpot Experience or cancel the event at his own discretion.

    So again, this is just a "free service" where you play slots with him "for fun" for 5-10 minutes. Nothing is guaranteed, and D Lucky only promises to explain to you why he "thinks" certain machines are best. That's carefully phrased. Notice he's not purporting to TEACH you which machines are best, but rather just what he THINKS are best. Kind of like if someone asks me for a football pick for the upcoming Sunday, and I tell them, "I think the Bengals are the best bet this week." They couldn't sue me if the Bengals didn't cover, and they lost their money. I'm only giving them my free opinion on what I think is the best pick. Same thing here with D Lucky's description of his slot advice.

    This whole thing is highly implied to be buying the services of an expert helping you win, but is carefully worded to where he's only guaranteeing a meetup and a picture. However, make no mistake -- just about everyone forking over this $1800 is doing so because they believe he's really going to help them win at high limit slots!




    He also sells slot tips packages, which presumably come in some sort of written or video form.

    The most expensive one is the "ultimate bundle package of slot tips" for $995.

    It's described this way:

    SLOT TIPS ULTIMATE BUNDLE PACKAGE RETAIL PRICE $2,541.00

    NOW IT'S AVAILABLE FOR $995.00 FOR A LIMITED TIME ONLY.

    PACKAGE INCLUDES:

    BRAND NEW - Over 12 Casinos, Over 10 different slot machines, and High Limit Dragon Cash, High Limit Dragon Link, and High Limit Dollar Storm slot machines.

    WE ARE INCLUDING THE DRAGON LINK HIGH LIMIT SLOT TIPS. THIS IS NORMALLY A STAND ALONE PACKAGE FOR $399.00. AFTER THIS SPECIAL THIS PACKAGE WILL NOT BE INCLUDED IN ANY BUNDLE:

    DRAGON LINK HIGH LIMIT SLOT TIPS - $399.00

    These slot tips can possible give you insights to how D Lucky plays the high limit dragon link machines and what he looks for.
    First off, LOL @ the "retail price" of $2541. How is that a "retail price" if it's only sold on this site for $995?

    That aside, notice he's only selling you "tips on 10 different slot machines" and 12 casinos (presumably the location of these 10 machines).

    These might actually be real tips, though likely not all that valuable. He probably provides at least very basic info of when to play/not-play certain progressive type slots machines, including must-hits and big/middle/small jackpots. It is true that these machines vary in their EV depending upon the current jackpot amount, from horrible to +EV. It is very possible that he provides you with those numbers as to when you can play these machines for them to be +EV.

    The problem here is that this is a lot easier said than done. These machines have to be painstakingly stalked in order to find them in +EV state, and often when they are, someone is already playing them (or has been stalking them before you).

    Advantage slot play is not fun or sexy. It's very boring, tedious, and requires a lot of walking around and casino hopping. That's not what gamblers enjoy.

    While it's possible he is (for once) providing useful info here which is worth SOME money, I doubt it's worth $995, and the customer base won't quite understand how boring/tedious/frustrating it will be to utilize if they just want to have fun gambling. Were this marketed to would-be advantage players who know what they're getting into, this would be different, provided the info was useful.


    But could you win a lawsuit against him for any of this? Probably not. Very slick.

     
    Comments
      
      Jayjami: I don’t see any fraud here.
      
      JeffDime: Great stuff Druff

  7. #7
    Diamond Tellafriend's Avatar
    Reputation
    1571
    Join Date
    Mar 2015
    Posts
    7,031
    Load Metric
    64840621
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    I'm going to do a radio segment about D Lucky next week.

    In the meantime, I want to let you guys know that a PFA Radio listener contacted the Wynn and killed that tournament at the Wynn. Apparently this person had some contacts over there, and was able to convince them that D Lucky was a fraud, and it would make them look terrible.

    LOL @ the Wynn not doing a simple google search before letting this shifty fool hold a tournament there. Dreadful.

    looking forward to your radio segment on this pos.

  8. #8
    Gold Forum Wars's Avatar
    Reputation
    1288
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Posts
    1,674
    Load Metric
    64840621
    I don't know if this is real, but apparently MGM stopped allowing filming of your play due to him...(pretty sure he used to operate outta MGM, but now is "on the run" to places like Resorts World and El Cortez)...



    And here someone has taken a video of D Lucky while he is filming one of his experience takers. That may or may not be a henchman beside him.

    https://www.tiktok.com/@motherofslot...=1670821553888

    Also, man is this guy popular with Hawaiians...what is up with that?

     
    Comments
      
      JeffDime:
    Last edited by Forum Wars; 12-11-2022 at 09:10 PM.

  9. #9
    Gold PositiveVariance's Avatar
    Reputation
    1976
    Join Date
    Jun 2020
    Posts
    1,580
    Load Metric
    64840621
    One of the things I initially suspected and I brought up previously in this thread is questioning if D-Lucky was using HIS players card when his clients are playing their money.

    I assumed he was as this would amount to 10’s of thousand of dollars monthly in free play for D Lucky on the clients play. The casino will not like this.

    The first video I watch he says “MY CARD”. So he is playing on HIS not the clients players card.

    If anyone in the casino industry is reading this you better lock his cards. This is another reason he probably changes casinos.

    Im sure he’s getting HUGE free play. It Wouldn’t surprise me if he is getting at least 2k week 4x/month at EACH casino since they are running huge coin in on massive -EV. My guess is he is probably a degenerate and doesn’t know how to successfully convert the free play into cash and walk away with the money.

    He could easily be generating $100k month in free play with this scam.

    20 second mark: “My card” “So I can get the points” LOL




    The casino really doesn’t need a reason to 86 him.

    Whoever the reader was that talked to Wynn and got the slot tournament axed, you may want to tell them to axe his players card as well.

     
    Comments
      
      Forum Wars: Ah, these guys in this video are mocking him, PV. It's a parody video - that's not D Lucky off camera.
      
      JeffDime:
    Last edited by PositiveVariance; 12-12-2022 at 02:35 AM.

  10. #10
    Gold PositiveVariance's Avatar
    Reputation
    1976
    Join Date
    Jun 2020
    Posts
    1,580
    Load Metric
    64840621
    Forum Wars: Ah, these guys in this video are mocking him, PV. It's a parody video - that's not D Lucky off camera



    lol I should have known better!

    Watching theses scammers can make my blood boil at times, so I will only watch a limited amount of it. I should have watched a video from D Lucky Channel.

    Since the guy in the video playing DLucky used “his card”, I’m thinking that may be something D Lucky actually does.

     
    Comments
      
      Forum Wars: Totally get it: my blood temp gets high with these scammers too

  11. #11
    Gold PositiveVariance's Avatar
    Reputation
    1976
    Join Date
    Jun 2020
    Posts
    1,580
    Load Metric
    64840621
    I can only imagine what it would feel like be a victim of D Lucky. You pay $1700 and are very excited about winning. You meet him with your $3000 bankroll and wearing your D Lucky hat and T shirt.

    You give the machine 30 spins at $100 per spin and don’t win a single dollar! D Lucky shakes your hand as his handler guides the next person to the machine to meet D Lucky….

    You walk away in your D Lucky hat and T shirt DOWN $4,700…

    How are you not outraged? You have to feel you were scammed at this point.

    How do you even begin to process this?
    Last edited by PositiveVariance; 12-12-2022 at 08:02 AM.

  12. #12
    Bronze
    Reputation
    502
    Join Date
    Mar 2022
    Posts
    360
    Load Metric
    64840621
    Has it been confirmed that he's in cahoots with Vegas Dave or did that just get thrown around because there is a pic of them together?

     
    Comments
      
      PositiveVariance: I don’t think they work together. Vegas Dave would stay away from an obvious scam, even though to the majority of us VD’s scam is obvious.

  13. #13
    Gold PositiveVariance's Avatar
    Reputation
    1976
    Join Date
    Jun 2020
    Posts
    1,580
    Load Metric
    64840621
    BedWetterBettor: PV, there are people who troll casinos and practically live there by leeching off whales and naive slot players. I know a guy who does it every day and security does NOTHING! It’s shocking!!

    BWB, yeah I have seen these type of people. I hate the ones that stand behind you at a table and make small talk with you, then as soon as you hit something slightly above an average payout, they either ask for chips or ask to “borrow” chips. They then say something like, “See, I brought you good luck!” When they first walk up to you they may ask, “Any luck tonight?” to guage where you are at as well as when you hit a medium size win or better, they can hit you with the, “See, I brought you luck” line. It’s beyond annoying.

    There are people that will go to a craps table where there is a “high roller” playing, and when it’s their own turn to be the shooter, they will wager minimum bets and they say things to try and get the “high roller” to “tip” him for being a “Hot” shooter. Many of them fall for it.

    I guess everyone has their own hustle. But some of these guys definitely “cross the line”.

     
    Comments
      
      JeffDime: +1
    Last edited by PositiveVariance; 12-12-2022 at 08:42 AM.

  14. #14
    Platinum JeffDime's Avatar
    Reputation
    1468
    Join Date
    Apr 2020
    Location
    Brick City, USA
    Posts
    2,695
    Load Metric
    64840621
    Really great to see all you crushers doing the Lord’s work here. Druff, you all & this site snuffs this shit out better than anyone out there. Hope to be a more active poster soon. But wish you all happy holidays. Just incredible one PFA listener torpedoed this whole thing out at the Wynn. Another win for the good guys. Great job by EZ always on top of the scumbaggery in the slot community.

     
    Comments
      
      PositiveVariance: Would love to see you participate JD. Miss your post and Chrissy Videos. They are GOLD!

  15. #15
    Owner Dan Druff's Avatar
    Reputation
    10078
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Posts
    54,522
    Blog Entries
    2
    Load Metric
    64840621
    Quote Originally Posted by PositiveVariance View Post
    BedWetterBettor: PV, there are people who troll casinos and practically live there by leeching off whales and naive slot players. I know a guy who does it every day and security does NOTHING! It’s shocking!!

    BWB, yeah I have seen these type of people. I hate the ones that stand behind you at a table and make small talk with you, then as soon as you hit something slightly above an average payout, they either ask for chips or ask to “borrow” chips. They then say something like, “See, I brought you good luck!” When they first walk up to you they may ask, “Any luck tonight?” to guage where you are at as well as when you hit a medium size win or better, they can hit you with the, “See, I brought you luck” line. It’s beyond annoying.

    There are people that will go to a craps table where there is a “high roller” playing, and when it’s their own turn to be the shooter, they will wager minimum bets and they say things to try and get the “high roller” to “tip” him for being a “Hot” shooter. Many of them fall for it.

    I guess everyone has their own hustle. But some of these guys definitely “cross the line”.
    The slot hustling is a whole different subject, and yeah, it's gotten to obnoxious levels.

    Here's how a lot of it occurs these days:

    Let's say Joe the Slot Hustler notices a machine in +EV state, but it's being played by a ploppy who doesn't know better. Rather than just stalk the machine and hope the ploppy stands up and leaves, Joe takes the matter into his own hands.

    He will approach the ploppy and say, "Hey, you know this machine isn't very loose. I lost a fortune on it yesterday. You want a good machine? I will bring you to it. I see it win all the time. I don't want any money from you, I'm just trying to help because I feel bad seeing you play this slot instead of the better one over there."

    Then they'll bring the person off to a machine in -EV state (usually in a different part of the casino), and either grab that seat, or have a partner grab it.

    Also, sometimes they will bring the ploppy over to a "must hit" or progressive machine in very -EV mode, simply to get the person to cycle through credits to get it closer to +EV. Shitty stuff like that goes on all the time.

    Sadly, this has caused casinos to 86 slot hustlers, even the "quiet" ones who just sit back and wait for seats to open of the machines in +EV state.

     
    Comments
      
      PositiveVariance: Yup, many levels of casino hustlers. Bottom feeders scrounging up the unwanted TITO’s, all the way up to highly sophisticated team hustles.

  16. #16
    Cubic Zirconia
    Reputation
    24
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    41
    Load Metric
    64840621
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by PositiveVariance View Post
    BedWetterBettor: PV, there are people who troll casinos and practically live there by leeching off whales and naive slot players. I know a guy who does it every day and security does NOTHING! It’s shocking!!

    BWB, yeah I have seen these type of people. I hate the ones that stand behind you at a table and make small talk with you, then as soon as you hit something slightly above an average payout, they either ask for chips or ask to “borrow” chips. They then say something like, “See, I brought you good luck!” When they first walk up to you they may ask, “Any luck tonight?” to guage where you are at as well as when you hit a medium size win or better, they can hit you with the, “See, I brought you luck” line. It’s beyond annoying.

    There are people that will go to a craps table where there is a “high roller” playing, and when it’s their own turn to be the shooter, they will wager minimum bets and they say things to try and get the “high roller” to “tip” him for being a “Hot” shooter. Many of them fall for it.

    I guess everyone has their own hustle. But some of these guys definitely “cross the line”.
    The slot hustling is a whole different subject, and yeah, it's gotten to obnoxious levels.

    Here's how a lot of it occurs these days:

    Let's say Joe the Slot Hustler notices a machine in +EV state, but it's being played by a ploppy who doesn't know better. Rather than just stalk the machine and hope the ploppy stands up and leaves, Joe takes the matter into his own hands.

    He will approach the ploppy and say, "Hey, you know this machine isn't very loose. I lost a fortune on it yesterday. You want a good machine? I will bring you to it. I see it win all the time. I don't want any money from you, I'm just trying to help because I feel bad seeing you play this slot instead of the better one over there."

    Then they'll bring the person off to a machine in -EV state (usually in a different part of the casino), and either grab that seat, or have a partner grab it.

    Also, sometimes they will bring the ploppy over to a "must hit" or progressive machine in very -EV mode, simply to get the person to cycle through credits to get it closer to +EV. Shitty stuff like that goes on all the time.

    Sadly, this has caused casinos to 86 slot hustlers, even the "quiet" ones who just sit back and wait for seats to open of the machines in +EV state.

    Disagree on the last sentence. In fact, I have had many arguments with people I know who work in casinos in regards to the casinos not doing anything about slot hustlers, even the ones referred to as "creators", which is the scummy practice of forcing a rec player from a machine as you described. The employees claim that they have been told by management that while they are encouraged to make the slot hustlers uncomfortable by standing close to them, pushing in a chair near them, etc., they are not to ban any slot hustlers. While the reasons given have varied, the most common one is that the casino does not want to get involved with deciphering who is an advantage slot player and who is a selective gambler who knows about +EV states of machines. Additionally, the majority of professional slot players are horrible money managers and shoot off their winnings in the pit or sportsbook, so the casino is still getting plenty of -EV action, albeit indirectly.

    The exception to this that has baffled me for a long while is the fact that Allen Kessler has not been banned from any casinos (at least to my knowledge). The guy is a clear cut case of a leechy nit who has made most of his money as a slot hustler for the last 25 years and NEVER gives it back to the casinos on -EV gambles. He will enter poker tournaments sure, but the house makes very little on those. Additionally, he can be the most obnoxious insufferable douchebag to other players and staff. He berates the fish and harasses casino workers to seemingly no end and to no consequence.

    If there were ever a case to be made for 86'ing an advantage player who is undesirable in every way to a casino and its bottom line, it's Kessler, and he walks around casinos with impunity literally every day of the year, so I think your point about casinos really caring about advantage slot players is inaccurate. Otherwise, good post.

  17. #17
    Gold PositiveVariance's Avatar
    Reputation
    1976
    Join Date
    Jun 2020
    Posts
    1,580
    Load Metric
    64840621
    I agree with your statement how many slot hustlers will donk off their winnings in the pit or sports book. Same as for card counters for every 10 slot hustlers 3 may be profitable, 3 break even and 4 playing -EV.

    From the casinos prospective, unless the slot hustler is being aggressive with ploppies, just let them play. Remember, Slot Hustlers do not cost the casino any money since each +EV machines would otherwise be paid to a ploppy. The RTP is still the same. The only argument that can be made is that since a slot hustler is cashing out some +EV situations, the ploppies win less, therefore may not return as much to that casino. This is somewhat of a weak argument. The overall impact of machine hustlers “taking” +EV situations is minimal when you divide it between all slot players playing within the casino.

    Every casino has their own policies, I believe as long as slot hustlers are being respectful- let them stay.

    I believe management at some casinos, don’t like the idea of someone being a “Slot Pro” (Shoutout Mickey Crimm), from a management and financial perspective let them stay.

     
    Comments
      
      tbuck27:

  18. #18
    Owner Dan Druff's Avatar
    Reputation
    10078
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Posts
    54,522
    Blog Entries
    2
    Load Metric
    64840621
    Here is a 2 minute video (thanks to JeffDime for pointing this out) where a woman shows up to $100 slots with a "budget of $1500", and of course hits a $5000 jackpot.




    Not that this matters, but D Lucky has a gay sounding voice. Anyone know if he is gay? Maybe he was inspired by Brian Christopher.

    Once again, notice that he is not promising this woman will get rich, nor is he claiming that others who do the "D Lucky Experience" will have similar results. It's all implied. This allows him to avoid any kind of successful lawsuits by any disgruntled customers.

    Very slick.

    By the way, I don't see why he would recommend this particular slot machine. It does not appear to be one which varies regarding its EV state. Seems to just be a standard reel machine where occasionally it will trigger the "wheel" spinning for a potential jackpot. So he can't even claim he's using his slot expertise to lead people to machines temporarily in +EV (or at least close to 0 EV) states.

    It's no coincidence that he doesn't show his face on camera. Secrecy is very important to someone with a racket like this. He doesn't want to be identified and people digging into his background (or his gambling results).

     
    Comments
      
      Rockasilly: I notice he has QUITE the following in Hawaii... A lot of his videos are with tourists from Hawaii. Hawaii The Ploppy State??
      
      TheRivers: Unlike Christopher Mirchell rbis guy goes not work alone. He has a bunch of folks who set up his suckers for him and make sure nobody approaches him that shouldn’t be. CM on the other hand had to always be looking over his shoulder.
      
      Bilbodoggins: Las Vegas gets more visitors from Hawaii than any other state except California. They often come on group junkets so it's not surprising that they often end up doing the same stuff together.

  19. #19
    Gold The Boz's Avatar
    Reputation
    783
    Join Date
    Jul 2020
    Posts
    1,028
    Load Metric
    64840621
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Here is a 2 minute video (thanks to JeffDime for pointing this out) where a woman shows up to $100 slots with a "budget of $1500", and of course hits a $5000 jackpot.




    Not that this matters, but D Lucky has a gay sounding voice. Anyone know if he is gay? Maybe he was inspired by Brian Christopher.

    Once again, notice that he is not promising this woman will get rich, nor is he claiming that others who do the "D Lucky Experience" will have similar results. It's all implied. This allows him to avoid any kind of successful lawsuits by any disgruntled customers.

    Very slick.

    By the way, I don't see why he would recommend this particular slot machine. It does not appear to be one which varies regarding its EV state. Seems to just be a standard reel machine where occasionally it will trigger the "wheel" spinning for a potential jackpot. So he can't even claim he's using his slot expertise to lead people to machines temporarily in +EV (or at least close to 0 EV) states.

    It's no coincidence that he doesn't show his face on camera. Secrecy is very important to someone with a racket like this. He doesn't want to be identified and people digging into his background (or his gambling results).
    I’m sure this will be controversial but seeing these idiots reminds me of the glory days of fish in Vegas poker rooms 15 years ago. All those tourists wanted to play that “Texas Hold ‘Em” they saw on TV and casinos were more than willing to oblige. How many daily tournaments were run for $40-$150 at Flamingo, O’sheas, Paris, etc that sharks lived off of?

    Hell I remember Gus Hanson playing at O’sheas at one point and people lining up to give him their money.

    Yes this is different but suckers will always be suckers and there will always be people willing to take advantage of them. And in this case it shows occasionally they actually can win.

  20. #20
    Owner Dan Druff's Avatar
    Reputation
    10078
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Posts
    54,522
    Blog Entries
    2
    Load Metric
    64840621
    Did a fairly long radio segment on this guy:

    https://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sh...r-I-Mean-Ma-am!

    Go to 3:51:45 mark

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. Official Trump Social Media Thread
    By splitthis in forum Flying Stupidity
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 09-13-2023, 11:17 PM
  2. Poker Room Updated - you lucky people
    By Belly Buster in forum Flying Stupidity
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 08-22-2022, 12:34 AM
  3. Replies: 13
    Last Post: 08-22-2019, 04:07 AM
  4. Your google and social media history
    By DRK Star in forum Flying Stupidity
    Replies: 18
    Last Post: 03-28-2018, 08:36 AM
  5. Replies: 1
    Last Post: 07-30-2013, 01:50 AM