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    Whatever the numbers are I am mighty relieved that Folks put the pond life videos up here for me to watch.
    It sticks in my throat me donating to this cock sucker even if it’s one miserable cent

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRivers View Post
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    The numbers just don’t add up. It doesn’t matter if it’s the casino or on YouTube. Christopher Mitchell is a pathological liar.
    These numbers actually do make a lot of sense. Most of his videos do fall into the 2K view range...so when you consider that YouTube pays per video and per 1K views (no pro-rating...I.e. if you don’t hit 2K you only get paid for 1K) the numbers flow from there. The rate they pay per 1K views can vary. I’ve heard that a really good rate would be in the $10-$15 range. So let’s say for arguments sake he is getting that $15 rate...

    With the average views being over 2K and he is putting out...let’s call it 20 videos per month. That would mean he’s getting $30 per video times 20 videos...a total of $600 each month.

    I don’t recall Chrissy ever bragging about how much he makes off of YouTube. He’s just said that his videos get viewed around 100K times each month...which actually would be true (2.4K views times 20 videos is just short of 100K.

    What number were you thinking should be different?

    Rivers, many of his subs were bought in the beginning. You could tell by the lack of engagement, even with him deleting most comments. The number of subs who are fake is impossible to say, but I believe substantial. He also bought many likes and views. Obviously he is not buying likes anymore as those have been disabled, but I do believe many of his views are from fake accounts.

    His audience duration retention number has to be very low. Too many videos where he is just talking to the camera saying the same shit. I would guess he makes a few hundred bucks a month. Which is a few hundred too many. We are in the same ballpark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRivers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Elmo View Post
    The numbers just don’t add up. It doesn’t matter if it’s the casino or on YouTube. Christopher Mitchell is a pathological liar.
    These numbers actually do make a lot of sense. Most of his videos do fall into the 2K view range...so when you consider that YouTube pays per video and per 1K views (no pro-rating...I.e. if you don’t hit 2K you only get paid for 1K) the numbers flow from there. The rate they pay per 1K views can vary. I’ve heard that a really good rate would be in the $10-$15 range. So let’s say for arguments sake he is getting that $15 rate...

    With the average views being over 2K and he is putting out...let’s call it 20 videos per month. That would mean he’s getting $30 per video times 20 videos...a total of $600 each month.

    I don’t recall Chrissy ever bragging about how much he makes off of YouTube. He’s just said that his videos get viewed around 100K times each month...which actually would be true (2.4K views times 20 videos is just short of 100K.

    What number were you thinking should be different?
    You’re close to the actual numbers but a little on the high side for your estimates.

    Here’s a verified website that gives a good breakdown. https://turbo.intuit.com/blog/relati...ers-make-5035/

    We know Chrissy doesn’t get more than 1000 legit views per video. So he’s making around $5-$10 per video after YT scrubs the real accounts and counts the hours viewed stats as well.

    So at best CM is getting $300 a month from YT or he’s scamming them for just under $600 with fake views and subscribers!

     
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      Elmo: Christopher scams in all aspects of life.

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    Chrissy has said, "I get over 100K people per month watching my videos."

    He fails to say that these are not 100K UNIQUE views. This is total views. Many of these are from the same people.

    In my opinion, once you subtract bought views, people that are there to witness the clown show, curiosity clicks, in my opinion you are left with a few hundred Fan boys with 1 brain cell that don't understand gambling. Many of these people have a "lottery mentality". Get rich quick type.

    I think the majority of these people are from overseas. They don't know its a scam. They don't understand how someone could live in a country with such great opportunities and have to resort to what Chrissy is doing.

     
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      BedWetterBettor: YT does use a stat called Total Hours Viewed for determining monetization. So ur correct in stating curious clicks and spam clicks don’t count as a full view, just partial ones.

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    Which video does he tell people to use their $600 stimulus money to purchase his stupid strategies? I know we were joking about it on here but dear Lord...people can’t even feed their kids or pay their mortgage or rent but he wants two-thirds of your small government stipend. What a real scumbag douchebag cunt.

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    Looks like Chrissy gets to stay another month in the condo for free, without being served eviction papers.

    The Eviction Moratorium was extended until January 31.

    Between that and the unemployment him and Stacy are collecting, they should at the very least pay Stacy's child support.




    A side note. I think the Eviction Moratorium and unemployment benefits are great programs for the folks that lost their jobs and really need them, but not for scum like Chrissy and Stacy.

     
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    The Smart Money group is a bit bewildering to me. They have used Chrissy’s name and in this video they claim to be a group of APs who are actually taking applications for members to join. They are doing a pattern recognition betting strategy. I have made it clear that I don’t believe in this voodoo reading the shoe shit. However, if people want to use a strategy when deciding what side to bet in baccarat that is fine with me. As long as they are not paying for such a thing. They make it clear that they are not charging anyone. They are kind of flexing a bit throwing the AP tag around. Just thought people should check it out and make their own judgment.

    At this point it seems like they are being sincere and just believe in this shit. I guess time will tell if they have other motives. The narrator does a good job of making this seem very intricate. If they do plan on selling systems they probably will make a few bucks.


     
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      Mrhorney: Pity you don’t believe in voodoo Mr Jeff you could make a Chrissy doll to stick pins in

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffDime View Post
    The Smart Money group is a bit bewildering to me. They have used Chrissy’s name and in this video they claim to be a group of APs who are actually taking applications for members to join. They are doing a pattern recognition betting strategy. I have made it clear that I don’t believe in this voodoo reading the shoe shit. However, if people want to use a strategy when deciding what side to bet in baccarat that is fine with me. As long as they are not paying for such a thing. They make it clear that they are not charging anyone. They are kind of flexing a bit throwing the AP tag around. Just thought people should check it out and make their own judgment.

    At this point it seems like they are being sincere and just believe in this shit. I guess time will tell if they have other motives. The narrator does a good job of making this seem very intricate. If they do plan on selling systems they probably will make a few bucks.


    Agreed! Anytime anyone claiming to be an AP brings up pattern recognition, they lose all credibility.

    I remember Rick Lee in his interview on PFA, said something to the effect of "I just cant win". Dude, you a playing a negative expectation game!
    Its like they hear all these people telling stories of how much they are winning, and they begin to believe it. Then when they try to produce these results for themselves, they think they are "doing something wrong". They just don't realize the other ploppy's at the tables and there friends aren't being completely honest about their results. Nothing against Rick Lee, I actually like the guy just not his strategies.

     
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    And on December 29tb, 2020 Chrissy declares himself “The People’s Champion.” Somehow he and The Rock don’t belong in the same sentence.

    And I love how in this video he actually violates one of his “five rules for success” that he claims to now be clinging to. He says he was down $1000 at Caesars. Well that would be 20% of his bankroll (aka his stop/loss). But yet he supposedly kept playing and won it back plus an extra $200. And notice no chips are being shown at Caesars (or at Aria or Bellagio). Me thinks he lost at all three places...or didn’t even play.


     
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      Mrhorney: $200 profit which is better than any 9/5 would pay me. At least you told the truth there Kyle because there isn’t an employer in the world who would pay your lying worthless scamming ass 200 bucks for a years work from you

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRivers View Post
    And on December 29tb, 2020 Chrissy declares himself “The People’s Champion.” Somehow he and The Rock don’t belong in the same sentence.

    And I love how in this video he actually violates one of his “five rules for success” that he claims to now be clinging to. He says he was down $1000 at Caesars. Well that would be 20% of his bankroll (aka his stop/loss). But yet he supposedly kept playing and won it back plus an extra $200. And notice no chips are being shown at Caesars (or at Aria or Bellagio). Me thinks he lost at all three places...or didn’t even play.

    He’s started wrapping the prop money in a $5000 band to hide it, also the chips at Orleans Casino had 1996 on them. So he could be buying older chips as it is very unlikely Orleans is still circulating near 25 year old chips! And if they are legitimately available to play with in the High limit room, how would he be able to play, “Win” and color up ALL his chips from the Exact SAME year??? A little too much of a coincidence if you ask me!

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    I realize they could be anniversary chips but if anyone who goes to or has been to Orleans can correct me or confirm this.

    But you can certainly buy Orleans chips online https://www.ebay.com/itm/one-dollar-...8AAOSwUjJe3B~5

    https://www.all-chips.com/chips.php?...1&CasinoID=101

     
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      TheRivers: Or leans opened in 1996. So this is now coming up on their 25th anniversary. Again...perhaps when he shows the chips he actually did win. When he doesn’t I’m guessing loss or no play.
      
      Elmo: It wouldn’t surprise me if he bought them. They are selling for $7 a chip.
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    I'm guessing he didn't play at the Bellagio at all in today's video...let alone even walk on the casino floor. Here's most likely what he did. Took tram from Aria to Bellagio. Walked through the conservatory (he would have to from the tram) and right out the front door. @2:40 he's walking away from the conservatory (seen in the background) towards the front doors. @2:53 he's right outside of those same doors he was walking towards. All of this is south of the actual casino floor.

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    Not been following this thread or CM a whole lot lately but I did watch his 2 latest videos. He's now incorporating upbeat music along with the scenic LV strip pictures/videos. The least he could do would be synch up the pictures with the music.

    Also a key thing I took away from today's video, he says "who says I should be placing $1k-$5k minimum bets? You guys!!" And then goes on a rant about being humble and losing the ego.

    From what I recall, he never has claimed to make $1k-5k minimum bets, but he has claimed to make $100-$500 minimum bets multiple times in the past. Now he's down to $25-$200? Because he's now humble??? Let me brrak this down in a poker reference.

    You start out with a $5k bankroll (true definition of bankroll) and you're playing $1/$3 NLH. And you're a winning player that builds the bankroll to $10k.

    You then take a stab at $2/5 and start winning immediately and build your roll all the way to $20k. So now you stab at $5/$10 and start winning immediately and all of a sudden you have a $50k bankroll.

    You take some time to reflect about your recent success and then realize that you're building your bankroll too aggressively? So you jump back down to $1/3 with your $50k roll.....

    A friend asks "Hey, you've been crushing the higher stakes, why are you playing $1/3" and you respond, "who says I should be playing $25/$50 or $50/$100??? I never claimed I should be playing that high...that's why I'm playing $1/3!!!

    It doesn't make sense. If you were consistently winning...especially winning 99% of the time at $2/5 or $5/10, you would never go back to playing $1/3 regularly (maybe occasionally for fun with friends/fans)....

    Unfortunately the people that falls for his scams have an equal or lower IQ than him and are unable to think logically.

    I know it sounds like a broken record, but eventually he'll have to move on to a new scam, it's only a matter of time. And it's pretty clear he's getting pretty desperate for donations (his winning strategy) and less and less gambling time in casinos and more "scenic" videos

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by AhoosierA View Post
    Not been following this thread or CM a whole lot lately but I did watch his 2 latest videos. He's now incorporating upbeat music along with the scenic LV strip pictures/videos. The least he could do would be synch up the pictures with the music.

    Also a key thing I took away from today's video, he says "who says I should be placing $1k-$5k minimum bets? You guys!!" And then goes on a rant about being humble and losing the ego.

    From what I recall, he never has claimed to make $1k-5k minimum bets, but he has claimed to make $100-$500 minimum bets multiple times in the past. Now he's down to $25-$200? Because he's now humble??? Let me brrak this down in a poker reference.

    You start out with a $5k bankroll (true definition of bankroll) and you're playing $1/$3 NLH. And you're a winning player that builds the bankroll to $10k.

    You then take a stab at $2/5 and start winning immediately and build your roll all the way to $20k. So now you stab at $5/$10 and start winning immediately and all of a sudden you have a $50k bankroll.

    You take some time to reflect about your recent success and then realize that you're building your bankroll too aggressively? So you jump back down to $1/3 with your $50k roll.....

    A friend asks "Hey, you've been crushing the higher stakes, why are you playing $1/3" and you respond, "who says I should be playing $25/$50 or $50/$100??? I never claimed I should be playing that high...that's why I'm playing $1/3!!!

    It doesn't make sense. If you were consistently winning...especially winning 99% of the time at $2/5 or $5/10, you would never go back to playing $1/3 regularly (maybe occasionally for fun with friends/fans)....

    Unfortunately the people that falls for his scams have an equal or lower IQ than him and are unable to think logically.

    I know it sounds like a broken record, but eventually he'll have to move on to a new scam, it's only a matter of time. And it's pretty clear he's getting pretty desperate for donations (his winning strategy) and less and less gambling time in casinos and more "scenic" videos
    Not only is the music not synched up...it just cuts off at times. His Christmas lights video basically came to an abrupt end in the middle of a song. If he’s a SAG member he certainly didn’t hang out with too many film editors in his time.

    I agree....He’s getting to the end. How he portrays his supposed 40 person “boot camp’ will be interesting. He says he has a large penthouse suite for this, which I would think he’s no longer got the comps for....and it’s a Saturday night). And let’s not forget that large indoor gatherings in small areas are not currently allowed in Nevada

     
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    Just a quick follow on the Smart Money Group. It would appear it was started as a payment system. I am not that familiar with this stuff and it all seems a bit convoluted. This looked like a pivot as they have videos showing different betting systems for baccarat. Including....wait for it...the good old Martingale. Making a video mentioning or about Chrissy will of course accelerate their view count. It seems to have done just that looking at the trends.

    As I was writing this I saw they made a video about their mobile payment app. I have no idea if this product is any good, so I can’t comment. All just has been a little peculiar. I think it’s an upstart channel and they decided to move in both directions for the time being. Trying to gain traction. Like what Big Daddy Fat Stacks did but without buying that advertising. I wonder if he saw any return on those ads?

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    I watched the video where he went around to various casinos and supposedly booked various sub-$500 wins in "15 minutes" each.

    Here are my best-guess conclusions:

    1) He has $6000 to his name, and carried around his entire bankroll.

    2) He didn't actually play at Caesars. Perhaps he's 86'd from there? That's the only place where we never saw him inside, and never saw chips. He was either in the parking lot or outside of the property the entire time.

    3) He bought between $5100 and $5500 worth of chips at each place, sat around, and then filmed the fake "profit" in excess of the supposed $5000 buyin. He didn't play, or if he did, it was very little at low limits. All of the chips were real. Then he'd move on to the next place. Rinse and repeat.

    4) Back at home, he presented his $5000 buy-in and his $1000 "profit" -- which he actually brought there in the first place!!


    Of course, I could be wrong, but it really looks this way to me. The biggest tipoff is his $5000 supposed buyin at each casino. If you know you're going to be there for 15 minutes or less, and are betting $25/hand, why buy in for $5000? Even someone as dumb as Chrissy knows that isn't necessary.

    He brought the $5000 because he wants to look like a rich guy who walks in with a lot of money, buys in for a lot, and cashes out with more.

    He doesn't want to do a more realistic-looking video where he buys in for a few hundred, cashes out the profit, and shows people that he has backup funds in his pocket just in case he loses at first. Why?

    1) You're not supposed to think about the possibility of him losing at first, since you supposedly always win in the first 15 minutes (lol)

    2) He's afraid that showing a few hundred dollars as a buyin and $150 profit makes him look poor. And you know how much Chrissy despises looking poor!


    This does smell like big time desperation. He can't do in-person coaching at any strip properties. He appears to be running out of customers. He dropped the Facebook group price to $250 and kept repeatedly begging for customers, via "one-time specials" which kept getting renewed.

    I do wonder how much longer he has before the whole thing goes belly up -- or he gets arrested.

     
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      TheRivers: Not only is there the 15 minute limit but also the 20% stop/loss. Best way to have a stop loss is to not buy the chips above it at all. So...but in for $1000 (which you still would never use in 15 minutes)
      
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    I watched the video where he went around to various casinos and supposedly booked various sub-$500 wins in "15 minutes" each.

    Here are my best-guess conclusions:

    1) He has $6000 to his name, and carried around his entire bankroll.

    2) He didn't actually play at Caesars. Perhaps he's 86'd from there? That's the only place where we never saw him inside, and never saw chips. He was either in the parking lot or outside of the property the entire time.

    3) He bought between $5100 and $5500 worth of chips at each place, sat around, and then filmed the fake "profit" in excess of the supposed $5000 buyin. He didn't play, or if he did, it was very little at low limits. All of the chips were real. Then he'd move on to the next place. Rinse and repeat.

    4) Back at home, he presented his $5000 buy-in and his $1000 "profit" -- which he actually brought there in the first place!!


    Of course, I could be wrong, but it really looks this way to me. The biggest tipoff is his $5000 supposed buyin at each casino. If you know you're going to be there for 15 minutes or less, and are betting $25/hand, why buy in for $5000? Even someone as dumb as Chrissy knows that isn't necessary.

    He brought the $5000 because he wants to look like a rich guy who walks in with a lot of money, buys in for a lot, and cashes out with more.

    He doesn't want to do a more realistic-looking video where he buys in for a few hundred, cashes out the profit, and shows people that he has backup funds in his pocket just in case he loses at first. Why?

    1) You're not supposed to think about the possibility of him losing at first, since you supposedly always win in the first 15 minutes (lol)

    2) He's afraid that showing a few hundred dollars as a buyin and $150 profit makes him look poor. And you know how much Chrissy despises looking poor!


    This does smell like big time desperation. He can't do in-person coaching at any strip properties. He appears to be running out of customers. He dropped the Facebook group price to $250 and kept repeatedly begging for customers, via "one-time specials" which kept getting renewed.

    I do wonder how much longer he has before the whole thing goes belly up -- or he gets arrested.
    I've never played baccarat in my life so I'm totally ignorant how fast the hands are dealt. But he claimed to lose 5 hands @ $200/hand in a row but made the miraculous come back and profited $200...all while flat betting and all in 15 minutes.

    This would be at a minimim of 11 hands played in 15 minutes, 5 straight losers and 6 straight winners....

    Is that even possible? 11 hands in 15 minutes?

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    Is that even possible? 11 hands in 15 minutes?





    Yes, Baccarat is a fairly fast game.

    Average is 70-80 HPH

    Someone that plays a fast heads up game can do well over 250 an hour.

    The actual game is dealt in under 5 seconds. Start to finish the outcome is determined very quickly if the game is just dealt out, and the cards opened by the dealer.

    What tends to move the game at a slower pace is 2 things:

    1. Players deciding where to place their next bet. The overwhelming majority watch the board for "patterns", which is complete voodoo nonsense. Baccarat has more superstitious players than any other game in my opinion. Its common for everyone but one player to have their bet placed, only to be waiting for one player to finish their "Read" of the board. I like to ask them, "What are you looking at?" They reply "The pattern". I say "Yes, the pattern very important" LOL LOL But I am laughing internally since I know its 100% bullshit. But I want to be a good sport, so I don't say anything out loud. LOL

    2. They allow the player that has the highest bet on each side (player/banker) to "Open" the cards. Its similar to a face down blackjack game where they will slowly turn them over or "peel" them open. Many people will "open" one card at a time, they just wont turn the card over - many will turn the card every which way to try to read the PIP'S on the cards then bend it a little - even rip off a corner off the card (In Baccarat they don't reuse the cards, to an extent they allow the players to destroy them - as long as they do not get carried away)

    Its all this crazy nonsense voodoo shit that slows the game down. Its this and the low house edge which are the primary reasons why you cant find to many Baccarat tables below a $25 minimum. More profit is made off Baccarat than blackjack in Vegas with only one-tenth the number of tables.




    BTW I have no issue with players who “read” the board who are there for entertainment and to have a good time. It’s the ones that swear they can get an edge by doing so.

     
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    Don't do it Smart Money Group Please no no no!

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    You broke my heart.

     
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      shoeshine box: I knew it as soon as you posted it. Very Sophisticated tho,..They will thrive..let us shut them down & ppl be better off .
      
      Elmo: The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. More leeches and scumbags trying to extort innocent people.
      
      Forum Wars: But I thought it was "Smart Money", how'd I lose? Nice investigations JD

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    I’m praying this day comes soon...2021 will be better for us. It will be even better when Christopher Mitchell’s strategies and scams are gone. The world will be a better place. Fuck you Christopher Mitchell.
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    I honestly don’t know what this guy is trying to say...but another newcomer challenging CM. He has other videos where he sits there dealing BJ hands in his little bedroom and shows he can make money. So I’m not sure if he’s trying to expose Chrissy or if he wants to be Chrissy


     
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      PositiveVariance: I agree, this guy makes no sense to me either.
      
      shoeshine box: Speed kills..wow...
      
      JeffDime: Millennial Lack of Communication Skill rep
      
      BedWetterBettor: Sounds like a rival scammer, nothing more nothing less. Which may be good as it will take business away from Chrissy and expose the entire operation to police/feds quicker!
      
      Forum Wars: Too much drugs in LV
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