almost went busto, do you really think if he lost that bet he was gonna show it? we all know he has went busto so many times....
https://www.tiktok.com/@chrismitchel...54595712290094
almost went busto, do you really think if he lost that bet he was gonna show it? we all know he has went busto so many times....
https://www.tiktok.com/@chrismitchel...54595712290094
It seems that much like Chrissy doesn’t know the difference between a vacation and a “staycation” he also doesn’t know the difference between a “family night” and a “date night.”
But hey…you can’t blame Stacy for not wanting to be alone with him.
well i just couldn't help myself, if i'm getting out of line just let me know....
Originally Posted by BedWetterBettor
I heard this guy's name referenced on a webinar earlier this week, but he wasn't in on the call so I couldn't quite figure out how to spell it, so this was very helpful info.
Jake Fruge Jr (JFJ) is a Senior Vice President at Primerica, an insurance MLM, so he's pretty high up the food chain. A level of success that CM could never achieve in his many years in mlm.
So why is JFJ the insurance mlm guy speaking at CM's event?
It turns out that JFJ also owns a business called Champion Ecom selling websites ($7,000 each) and Amazon automation stores (for $45,000)
It also turns out that Kirstin and Jason Gills, the couple that has appeared on CM's Facebook page declaring that CM is the "real deal" and that they "want to do life" with CM and his family, are also both involved in the Primerica insurance mlm and Champion Ecom.
I attended a webinar recently and recorded it, so visuals will be better than hearing it from me.
Kirstin Gills is the COO of the company and Tessabella Jelten (who spoke at the APEX meeting that CM attended recently and also made a recent comment on CM's FB page) is the CMO of the company.
I was astonished to see Ryobi Guy on the webinar, but then it all started to make sense. (side note... Ryobi Guy outed himself and used his real name, but I blocked it out on the screenshot)
I think that CM's big investment back on June 16 was either in an Amazon automation store or purchasing a large amount of websites (they offer 1 free for every 10 purchased, so an outlay of $70,000).
Because of his purchase, they are letting CM become an affiliate for their products, which is why Ryobi Guy is there. There's plenty of commission for a $45,000 or $70,000 sale, I'm sure.
They did mention at the end of the webinar for affiliates on the call to stick around, but I didn't see CM on the call.
Here's the timeline:
June 16: CM puts out his "I'm afraid" video and tells us he's going on a Zoom call and making the biggest investment of his life.
(coincidentally, the Champion Ecom webinar I attended was on Zoom)
July 15: CM puts out his American Reporter FB post and Jason Gills pops up for the first time and says "Congratulations!"
July 21: CM puts out his Professional Gambler/Professional Athlete FB post and Jason Gills pops up for the 2nd time and says "You're the real deal. I'm honored to do life with you."
July 28: CM posts a FB photo of him, Stacy and Jason & Kristin Gills having dinner. CM must have paid because Jason says "Thank you" in the comments.
So the funny thing seems to be that there was maybe a little concern on this forum that these nice people who wanted to do life with CM should be warned about him, yet it seems that he's a minnow swimming among sharks and we wanted to warn the sharks.
PS I recorded the whole webinar, so I can clarify details if necessary.
Absolutely solid work Tariq.
And $45k to automate selling colouring in books would be a big (and terrible) investment by Chrissy.
When faced with a difficult decision, ask yourself "What would Micon do?", then do the opposite.
PFA Rookie of the Year Awards
2012: The Templar (unknown)
2013: Jasep $5000+
2015: Micon's gofundme legal defense $3k begging for 100k:
2018: 4Dragons
2019: Dutch Boyd: Mike Postle
2020: Covid19
2021: SMIFlorida and some sort of shit coins for $50k
2022: BDubs leaks chums club info
2023: 22nd Feb 4th Dec Youtube channels removed
2024: Dustin Morgan wins Chrissy's $1000 contest
And in case anyone doesn’t think there’s a problem with what these guys are selling:
https://expertuniversity.com/amazon/amazon-automation/
Last edited by TheRivers; 08-19-2022 at 06:44 PM.
So, he gave Chrissy money (and watched free videos) to be told "5 marties is your stop loss, because what sort of idiot cant peel a win in 6 bets.
He then ignoreds that, loses 7 progressions, and then figures "Huuuurrrrrrr durrrrrrrr what are the odds I'd lose 9 in a row after losing 7 in a row twice".
While some people are suggesting he might be faking some of this to set up a massive come back, praise Chrissy it doesnt work over night but it does work gimmick, he just got violated out of 70% of his roll in 1 day.
When faced with a difficult decision, ask yourself "What would Micon do?", then do the opposite.
PFA Rookie of the Year Awards
2012: The Templar (unknown)
2013: Jasep $5000+
2015: Micon's gofundme legal defense $3k begging for 100k:
2018: 4Dragons
2019: Dutch Boyd: Mike Postle
2020: Covid19
2021: SMIFlorida and some sort of shit coins for $50k
2022: BDubs leaks chums club info
2023: 22nd Feb 4th Dec Youtube channels removed
2024: Dustin Morgan wins Chrissy's $1000 contest
Yes sir. Zach is becoming a degenerate right before your very eyes. You know it’s bad when someone actually lines up 12 sessions just to try and win back the money they just lost in two sessions….and sure enough….he winds up with a 9 MARTY loss.
But wait…what happened to the Chrissy 5 Marty stop loss? What happened to “you’ll never lose more than 5 in a row anyway.” Zach in one day had TWO 7 MARTY LOSSES and a 9 MARTY LOSS.
He will get a little of his money back because the Orioles and Braves both won. But on the day he was 2-3 in baseball bets (Brewers, Phillies, and Rays all lost).
Hope the rest of the inner circle were watching this
Hmm….and no interview with the wife after today’s events. Wonder why.
At the $1,750 mark, Zach tells us that he just finished date night with his wife so now he can focus on gambling for the rest of the night...?Hmm….and no interview with the wife after today’s events. Wonder why.
Is he telling us that he just boned his wife, then instead of snuggling & cuddling, he rolled out of bed and told her he needed to do some online gambling?
Or that she was so upset with his gambling so there was no sex at all?
Hopefully he'll save some of his money for marriage counseling.
and then he placed some stupid sports bets trying to catch up on losses most likely, i wonder if he got todays/tonights /tomorrows sports bets from the Billy GOAT himself? you know from the same 3% coloring book!!!?? oh and he uploaded the same exact video to his tiktok, i was so close to leaving a comment on either IG or tiktok, something along the lines of "how much did you pay that Billy GOAT for busto strategies, not only are you down 1.7k but also down xxx amount of $$ of worthless and dangerous advice etc..." but in fear of him blocking me and not being able to watch the circus show in the future, i didn't.....
Date probably does mean date for those two.At the $1,750 mark, Zach tells us that he just finished date night with his wife so now he can focus on gambling for the rest of the night...?
Is he telling us that he just boned his wife, then instead of snuggling & cuddling, he rolled out of bed and told her he needed to do some online gambling?
Or that she was so upset with his gambling so there was no sex at all?
Hopefully he'll save some of his money for marriage counseling.
The wife probably thought Zach would make his 3% and give her the good loving.
He might have even sweet talked her into trying a new position Chrissy taught him, and it isnt a sin as long as you REBUKE SATAN first.
When faced with a difficult decision, ask yourself "What would Micon do?", then do the opposite.
PFA Rookie of the Year Awards
2012: The Templar (unknown)
2013: Jasep $5000+
2015: Micon's gofundme legal defense $3k begging for 100k:
2018: 4Dragons
2019: Dutch Boyd: Mike Postle
2020: Covid19
2021: SMIFlorida and some sort of shit coins for $50k
2022: BDubs leaks chums club info
2023: 22nd Feb 4th Dec Youtube channels removed
2024: Dustin Morgan wins Chrissy's $1000 contest
out of reps again, i'll get y'all tomorrow
I wish there was a way to get through to these people. I find it unbelievable that anybody can think that flipping a coin with a <49% success rate could be profitable long term. And how do you just jump head-first into something like this without firing off a quick google search to see if it's mathematically possible to beat the house edge in these games?
Good news and bad news regarding the "ban Chrissy" effort.
The bad news is that the greedy LA Weekly doesn't seem to give a shit, and is not responding to my report about Chrissy. Credit to the NY Weekly for doing the right thing and killing the scam article he bought, but sadly the LA Weekly doesn't have the same standards as their sister publication, apparently.
The LA Weekly has always been a shit paper -- distributed for free around LA, full of porn/escort ads, etc. I guess they're now trying to survive online because most people don't pick up free newspapers anymore.
BUT.... as I said, I have some good news for you. A PFA Radio listener has been reporting Chrissy's Tiktok, and has had some moderate success.
Tiktok has a strict rule AGAINST gambling content. This is an easy way to get Chrissy whacked right the fuck off that platform.
This listener has already gotten 3 videos of his taken down, and a few more are presently under review.
I have to imagine they're going to close the channel after enough violations.
His channel is @chrismitchellthegoat -- https://www.tiktok.com/@chrismitchellthegoat
Feel free to report! Let's get his ass thrown off Tiktok! Report any video with gambling content -- which is pretty much most of them. I'm going to start doing it, as well.
Thanks for the link. I had never heard of Amazon Automation before. This blog really does make it sound like a complete scam, but one which barely has enough quasi-legality to where criminal charges would be unlikely, and even a civil case might be unsuccessful if not presented properly.
Now, admittedly the guy behind the above blog is selling his own "opportunity" on Amazon which he claims is more legit, but that doesn't mean he's lying about Amazon Automation being a scam. It just means he has motivation to convince you of that.
In general, any "huge selling opportunity" with an upfront cost tends to be scammy. So I'm inclined to believe that all or most of the info in the blog is true.
If Chrissy really bought into this, it's going to be hilarious.
This exact same thing boggles my mind. The worst part is Zach bounces between Roulette and Baccarat. When will these Morons learn? If you absolutely insist on Martingaling, you play Baccarat, simple as that. Only has a 1% edge. Roulette, with an American Double green wheel has a 5.26% house edge. So the “coin flip” is now <45%.I wish there was a way to get through to these people. I find it unbelievable that anybody can think that flipping a coin with a <49% success rate could be profitable long term. And how do you just jump head-first into something like this without firing off a quick google search to see if it's mathematically possible to beat the house edge in these games?
Interesting Fact:
When martingaling Roulette vs. Baccarat, (without boring you with the math) your chances of losing 7 in a row playing Baccarat are about the same as losing 9 in a row playing Roulette due to the house edges of each game. 2 free “levels” just by changing games. So in theory, if Zach would stick to Baccarat, he would likely still be in it. Yes, he would eventually go BUSTO, it just takes a little longer. Once again, this shows how stupid Chrissy is by playing Roulette, even if it happens to be single zero Roulette - house edge is still double that of Baccarat. Double Zero Roulette has a house edge of 5x that of playing Baccarat. Does Chrissy The Sissy know this? Of course not, the guy won’t double down or split cards in Blackjack. This is on another level to him. Kinda how the green slot in Roulette “doesn’t matter” since it “doesn’t happen very often.”
I think Zach going busto, shows that he was just another sucker that Chrissy sucked in - similar to TJ and Trucker Jeff but at least Zach wasn’t stupid enough to quit his day job. ZD brought up a potential argument about them setting up a possible “comeback”. The issue with Chrissy is he wants this to seem very easy - you pay him money and you win from day #1. In the beginning, That’s why he had the 99% winning strategy, then he got desperate and eventually claimed 100%. He doesn’t want to suggest that there is a likelihood that you may lose, but you can “comeback” from that and eventually win. People are not attracted to that and Chrissy knows this. They want immediate results, fast money, no risk. As we know, this is only possible in the little brain of Christopher P. Mitchell.
Also, this “Do whatever it takes”. He never had this mentality the first 2+ years of the scam. He only started saying this in the last 6 months or so. So why does he say this? I think he started saying this because the inner circle fucks were losing at gambling using his system, so he started with the “Do whatever it takes” as well as “You must be in the right mindset”. Both of these are bullshit. He says both of these for 2 reasons. First, to buy time. Second, to put some or all the blame on the client (sucker). This way it’s not his fault, and if they are losing money gambling then they MUST not have the right mindset. If they continue to lose at gambling, well do what it takes. Do 15 step Marty instead of 9. It sounds so fucking retarded, well that is because it is, but this is Chrissy’s Go-To as unbelievable as it sounds.
So where does Zach eventually go from here?
I say within a month he will be gone, just like every other scam victim of Chrissy.
Chrissy’s biggest issue now, that he didn’t have before is all these people from the church and Crafts Mastermind all know each other, or are basically in the “same circle”, whereas before all his scam victims came from all over the country, even some from out of the country such as Lucy. I think when Zach does go away, I think he will quietly disappear.
For certain sheltered individuals like Zach, it is unfathomable that an individual like Chrissy exist. Then to meet the Devil himself in your church is as close to unlikely as possible.
Like FW says, I really believe Zach is a good guy, just very gullible. He is still young, and the few grand that this cost him will be likely be a very valuable learning lesson. Hopefully he cuts Chrissy off after this and doesn’t let him extract more money out of him.
I really do hope Chrissy dumped all his cash into this automated Amazon scam bullshit. Watching him get scammed would be beyond satisfying!
Last edited by PositiveVariance; 08-20-2022 at 04:20 AM.
An update on Chrissy’s Coloring book for sale on Amazon:
A thanks to Forum Wars, for introducing the thread to the following site awhile back that estimates sales per day/month...
Chrissy’s current rank is #231,215 which puts him at about 14 book sales per month. This is a big drop from Chrissy’s claim (lie) he made in NYweekly of it being on the top 10 list Baaaahahaha...
Now, how much does he make?
After a little research, I found most paperback publishers will receive 60% of the sales price after printing cost (since they print it for you as well).
Chrissy’s book in paperback is $29.99
A rough estimate on printing is around $5.00 per book. (If it had color pages as well it would be a little more)
$29.99 - $5.00 = $24.99 x .60 = $14.99
Every book he sells, he is getting about $15.
It’s likely Amazon will take their normal selling fees off as well.
Let’s assume $15 x 14 copies = $210
$210 monthly for a coloring book full of nonsense isn’t bad!
More documented income for the Federal Government to use, to build a TAX FRAUD case against him!
Last edited by PositiveVariance; 08-20-2022 at 05:16 AM.
A little more on Amazon Automation. Turns out this practice is actually against Amazon’s terms of service and they can shut your account down if they find out you’re doing this. There are all sorts of articles on the web that mention this…but this guy explains it very well (including how the automation “brokers” make you sign a waiver so you can’t sue them if/when your account is shut down). So you potentially are on a race agains the clock to make money before Amazon figures you out. Therefore it’s not going to be a long-term passive income source like these folks are selling.
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