**OFFICIAL Donald J. Trump vs. Joseph (Joe) R. Biden Thread - 2020 Presidential Election**

[limitles]

Again, wild speculation. 1943. A democratic President declares war against a foreign invader. But no member of the opposition was downplaying the events. No member of the opposition was declaring a Democratic hoax

Party lines evaporate when we're all in it together

No, he’s right. The same group of morons would have been even crazier really. It still would have been an election year, and the lockdown hurt small businesses the worst, who always are Republican, so they would have viewed it as an opportunity to beat her and blame her and it would have been nuts. Comparing 1943 when the country was sane to this divided country is apples and oranges. She would have said and did much smarter things, but in the end, the nutjobs would have acted probably even worse.

Why Trump failed so horribly is because he alone could have influenced these same morons who exist always. Had he been a leader, he might possibly be the only person in the world who could have gotten them to act responsibly.

It isn’t like Alex Jones and all the nutjobs arrived with Trump. That group already existed. Trump is one of them. He’s responsible for death because many would have listened to him and only him.

Missed the point. A pandemic is a threat to your nation. Could get much worse, who knows?
Such a threat cannot be seen as partisan
The difference is that the present leader chose to
make it political. He literally called it a Democratic hoax

[Rick Sanchez]

Yeah roll the dice on living/dying, killing someone else and/or get stuck not catching your breath for the rest of your life because dwai will call you a faggot if you don't use common sense. Gonna RIGHT on that.

BLAH BLAH BLAH SHUT IT DOWN FAGGOT

[rum dick]

Again, wild speculation. 1943. A democratic President declares war against a foreign invader. But no member of the opposition was downplaying the events. No member of the opposition was declaring a Democratic hoax

Party lines evaporate when we're all in it together

No, he’s right. The same group of morons would have been even crazier really. It still would have been an election year, and the lockdown hurt small businesses the worst, who always are Republican, so they would have viewed it as an opportunity to beat her and blame her and it would have been nuts. Comparing 1943 when the country was sane to this divided country is apples and oranges. She would have said and did much smarter things, but in the end, the nutjobs would have acted probably even worse.

Why Trump failed so horribly is because he alone could have influenced these same morons who exist always. Had he been a leader, he might possibly be the only person in the world who could have gotten them to act responsibly.

It isn’t like Alex Jones and all the nutjobs arrived with Trump. That group already existed. Trump is one of them. He’s responsible for death because many would have listened to him and only him.

There's zero point zero chance covid wouldn't have been handled better by Clinton. This trainwreck is the direct byproduct of having a batshit crazy idiot as president for the last 4 years. It's takes WORK to fuck things up this bad.

[Rick Sanchez]

Imagine if Obama had called Ebola a hoax, refused to attend task force briefings, dismantled infectious disease prevention programs, sidelined his top medical expert and replaced him with an African voodoo psuedoscience quack, encouraged his followers to engage in reckless behavior, and 250,000 people died on his watch.

Then imagine liberal apologists shrugging it off because Romney wouldn't have handled it any better, so none of that matters.

I'm sure Druff would find that excuse perfectly acceptable!

[limitles]

No, he’s right. The same group of morons would have been even crazier really. It still would have been an election year, and the lockdown hurt small businesses the worst, who always are Republican, so they would have viewed it as an opportunity to beat her and blame her and it would have been nuts. Comparing 1943 when the country was sane to this divided country is apples and oranges. She would have said and did much smarter things, but in the end, the nutjobs would have acted probably even worse.

Why Trump failed so horribly is because he alone could have influenced these same morons who exist always. Had he been a leader, he might possibly be the only person in the world who could have gotten them to act responsibly.

It isn’t like Alex Jones and all the nutjobs arrived with Trump. That group already existed. Trump is one of them. He’s responsible for death because many would have listened to him and only him.

There's zero point zero chance covid wouldn't have been handled better by Clinton. This trainwreck is the direct byproduct of having a batshit crazy idiot as president for the last 4 years. It's takes WORK to fuck things up this bad.

There is no sense in saying this person would have done this or that.
No way of knowing obv. But it is highly unusual for leader to
ignore and downplay a threat which has gripped the world.

Forget about your yokels. They are still a minority luckily
but they would not affect the ultimate course of action

[BCR]

No, he’s right. The same group of morons would have been even crazier really. It still would have been an election year, and the lockdown hurt small businesses the worst, who always are Republican, so they would have viewed it as an opportunity to beat her and blame her and it would have been nuts. Comparing 1943 when the country was sane to this divided country is apples and oranges. She would have said and did much smarter things, but in the end, the nutjobs would have acted probably even worse.

Why Trump failed so horribly is because he alone could have influenced these same morons who exist always. Had he been a leader, he might possibly be the only person in the world who could have gotten them to act responsibly.

It isn’t like Alex Jones and all the nutjobs arrived with Trump. That group already existed. Trump is one of them. He’s responsible for death because many would have listened to him and only him.

Lotta wisdom here, as always.

I was one of those who hated Hillary. My hate was vested over decades though. Vince Foster sealed it for me after decades of her bullshit and financial shenanigans. I earned my hate through slow aging like fine whisky. She was one hell of a commodities trader too btw. Little known fact.

But the divisiveness in America is a phenomenon triggered by Bannon. Yes it’s internet/social media but Bannon & Breitbart/CA really went to work on Hillary and yokel voters like America never saw before.

Which brings us to Trump 2.0. The shadow government is gonna surprise those hoping for healing.

You can never go back.

Bannon and company took it to the next level, but it was already heavily entrenched. I was telling tyde to turn his site into a conspiracy theory site a decade ago. That it was the new religion. You could see all this coming.

When I try to play out how this goes down in a dem presidency, I see some smarter decisions in regard to testing and some early shit, but most likely Hillary would have been dealing with an even heavier Republican senate and possibly red House because that’s usually how mid terms roll.

So all this still happens at the beginning of an election year. All of a sudden she’s trying to deal with it as smartly as possible, but they would have seen it exactly as the Dems saw it, as an opportunity to take her out. They might possibly have not even helped with PPP and unemployment and such as much as they helped Trump.

I mean you’re the rare small business guy who has dealt with this hellish year and not completely lost your mind. Most small business guys I know don’t want anyone to die, but they also don’t want to go bankrupt. They didn’t like Hillary already. Getting killed all year while she shut stuff down and then the echo chamber of nut jobs calling it a hoax and wearing a mask or anything as an affront to personal liberty would have been even more pronounced under a Hillary presidency.

Any we would have done better under a Dem argument assumes she could have got shit done. She very likely would have struggled.

She clearly wouldn’t have said idiotic things like it’s a hoax or it will disappear magically, but the Alex Jones and Hannity’s of the world would have been blaming the whole thing on her. Four people died in Benghazi and they never shut up about it. They would have taken those early statements by dem politicians about Chinatown or whatever and turned it into she caused a holocaust and killed the economy all at once.

Trump was uniquely positioned to actually be able to influence the people most hurt, and those that are most insane and distrustful of the government and conspiracy theorists. If he wasn’t insane himself and saw it as an opportunity to lead, he alone could have truly changed the day in and day out behavior of those who have spread the virus the worst by thinking it’s all some hoax. That’s why he has so much blood on him imo.

[limitles]

Another thing. you guys are still arguing over a dead parrot

It's over, the insanity is done, at least for a while

Move on and grow up

[BCR]

No, he’s right. The same group of morons would have been even crazier really. It still would have been an election year, and the lockdown hurt small businesses the worst, who always are Republican, so they would have viewed it as an opportunity to beat her and blame her and it would have been nuts. Comparing 1943 when the country was sane to this divided country is apples and oranges. She would have said and did much smarter things, but in the end, the nutjobs would have acted probably even worse.

Why Trump failed so horribly is because he alone could have influenced these same morons who exist always. Had he been a leader, he might possibly be the only person in the world who could have gotten them to act responsibly.

It isn’t like Alex Jones and all the nutjobs arrived with Trump. That group already existed. Trump is one of them. He’s responsible for death because many would have listened to him and only him.

There's zero point zero chance covid wouldn't have been handled better by Clinton. This trainwreck is the direct byproduct of having a batshit crazy idiot as president for the last 4 years. It's takes WORK to fuck things up this bad.

I know she would have made much smarter choices. She would have said said smarter things and had a better plan. She would have faced even more fierce resistance to all of it imo. Most of what I said in post to San. We won’t ever know, but think about how they would have saw this an an opportunity to take her out and how they would have helped her try to straighten it out? They would have obstructed all of it imo

[limitles]

There's zero point zero chance covid wouldn't have been handled better by Clinton. This trainwreck is the direct byproduct of having a batshit crazy idiot as president for the last 4 years. It's takes WORK to fuck things up this bad.

I know she would have made much smarter choices. She would have said said smarter things and had a better plan. She would have faced even more fierce resistance to all of it imo.

Most of what I said in post to San. We won’t ever know, but think about how they would have saw this an an opportunity to take her out and how they would have helped her try to straighten it out? They would have obstructed all of it imo

That's right..... "I know" but "we won't ever know"

Come on!

[nightmarefish]

Again, wild speculation. 1943. A democratic President declares war against a foreign invader. But no member of the opposition was downplaying the events. No member of the opposition was declaring a Democratic hoax

Party lines evaporate when we're all in it together

Why Trump failed so horribly is because he alone could have influenced these same morons who exist always. Had he been a leader, he might possibly be the only person in the world who could have gotten them to act responsibly.

This is something I hadn't thought about and 100% correct.

[big dick]

There's zero point zero chance covid wouldn't have been handled better by Clinton. This trainwreck is the direct byproduct of having a batshit crazy idiot as president for the last 4 years. It's takes WORK to fuck things up this bad.

I know she would have made much smarter choices. She would have said said smarter things and had a better plan. She would have faced even more fierce resistance to all of it imo. Most of what I said in post to San. We won’t ever know, but think about how they would have saw this an an opportunity to take her out and how they would have helped her try to straighten it out? They would have obstructed all of it imo

Donald Trump is biggest single source of coronavirus misinformation researchers say
President blamed for 38 per cent of Covid-19 ‘infodemic’


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...9-b742810.html

[nightmarefish]

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They have the old dude outnumbered like 40 to 1 yet look how many of these pussies hit him from behind.

Bump

Well the piece of shit that sucker punched the grandpa at the end got arrested. He also happens to like to fuck children, who could have figured?



Oh ya, and the ladies that were getting pushed that everyone was so concerned about, well they got arrested too.



Apparently they had been attacking people all day, who could have figured? You can see a few in the Crowder video below.

[duped_samaritan]

Either one or the other is living in a fantasy world:

A) All those doctors, scientists and public health experts with decades of experience from around the world.

B) A 48 year old with no background in public health that specializes in limit holdem, internet forums and pwning the libs.

Does B really make sense to you?

There's gotta be a little voice in your head that's disgusted with what you've become. Listen to it!

You can keep saying "listen to the experts", but that's nonsense unless you can explain it in common-sense fashion.

So B it is. Incredible.

COVID is not well-studied, even after 10 months. There simply hasn't been enough time. Many conclusions about COVID from the early months have been abandoned and deemed incorrect.

They weren't conclusions, they were hypothesis.

Try thinking of it like a poker hand. (put your critical thinking cap on for a second) After the first action, you put your opponent (covid) on a range, not a single hand (conclusion). As the hand (virus) progresses and you get more information, you narrow the range accordingly.

To assess your performance afterwards, you look at the decisions you made based on the information available at the time, not the cards that were eventually revealed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

Still waiting for someone with common sense to explain how we could have tested or contract traced ourselves out of this one in mid-February.

Ask someone you respect that is more qualified than you. There's 0% chance anyone with TDS will change your mind, and anyone without TDS will agree to pwn the libs.

[Dan Druff]

Democrat fantasy: Under a Dem administration, we would have followed the science, made all the right decisions, and saved mass lives.

Democrat reality: The deadliest mistake by US officials was mandating COVID positive patients be placed in nursing homes -- a mistake made by 3 large Dem-run states (NY, MI, PA), resulting in thousands of deaths. In January and February, Dems were far more concerned with "xenophobia" and insisted that fear was the enemy, not the virus. In June, no high profile Democrats spoke out against the 60,000 person, tightly packed packed protests.

Huge LOL reading these fantasies about how well and responsibly this would've been handled under Hillary.

SCIENCE!!!

[TheXFactor]

Who reports "the news" without checking facts?

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[Sanlmar]

Democrat fantasy: Under a Dem administration, we would have followed the science, made all the right decisions, and saved mass lives.

Democrat reality: The deadliest mistake by US officials was mandating COVID positive patients be placed in nursing homes -- a mistake made by 3 large Dem-run states (NY, MI, PA), resulting in thousands of deaths. In January and February, Dems were far more concerned with "xenophobia" and insisted that fear was the enemy, not the virus. In June, no high profile Democrats spoke out against the 60,000 person, tightly packed packed protests.

Huge LOL reading these fantasies about how well and responsibly this would've been handled under Hillary.

SCIENCE!!!

Why are you grinding on this?

The virus hasn’t been a partisan issue. This was a Trump issue. He ignored and dismissed the health crisis. Combined with his character issue he lost the election.

Trump has famously survived one impeachment, two divorces, six bankruptcies, twenty-six accusations of sexual misconduct, and an estimated four thousand lawsuits. Few people have evaded consequences more cunningly. Until now.

[big dick]

Democrat fantasy: Under a Dem administration, we would have followed the science, made all the right decisions, and saved mass lives.

Democrat reality: The deadliest mistake by US officials was mandating COVID positive patients be placed in nursing homes -- a mistake made by 3 large Dem-run states (NY, MI, PA), resulting in thousands of deaths. In January and February, Dems were far more concerned with "xenophobia" and insisted that fear was the enemy, not the virus. In June, no high profile Democrats spoke out against the 60,000 person, tightly packed packed protests.

Huge LOL reading these fantasies about how well and responsibly this would've been handled under Hillary.

SCIENCE!!!

You gonna take the vaccine?

[Dan Druff]

Democrat fantasy: Under a Dem administration, we would have followed the science, made all the right decisions, and saved mass lives.

Democrat reality: The deadliest mistake by US officials was mandating COVID positive patients be placed in nursing homes -- a mistake made by 3 large Dem-run states (NY, MI, PA), resulting in thousands of deaths. In January and February, Dems were far more concerned with "xenophobia" and insisted that fear was the enemy, not the virus. In June, no high profile Democrats spoke out against the 60,000 person, tightly packed packed protests.

Huge LOL reading these fantasies about how well and responsibly this would've been handled under Hillary.

SCIENCE!!!

You gonna take the vaccine?

Haven't decided.

If I were 68, the answer would be 100% yes.

If I were 28, the answer would be 100% no.

Since I'm 48, it's a toss-up. At least in the early stages. The longer it goes where the vaccine looks safe, the higher chance is that I'll take it. I am not giving it to Benjamin, though.

[Dan Druff]

Democrat fantasy: Under a Dem administration, we would have followed the science, made all the right decisions, and saved mass lives.

Democrat reality: The deadliest mistake by US officials was mandating COVID positive patients be placed in nursing homes -- a mistake made by 3 large Dem-run states (NY, MI, PA), resulting in thousands of deaths. In January and February, Dems were far more concerned with "xenophobia" and insisted that fear was the enemy, not the virus. In June, no high profile Democrats spoke out against the 60,000 person, tightly packed packed protests.

Huge LOL reading these fantasies about how well and responsibly this would've been handled under Hillary.

SCIENCE!!!

Why are you grinding on this?

The virus hasn’t been a partisan issue. This was a Trump issue. He ignored and dismissed the health crisis. Combined with his character issue he lost the election.

Trump has famously survived one impeachment, two divorces, six bankruptcies, twenty-six accusations of sexual misconduct, and an estimated four thousand lawsuits. Few people have evaded consequences more cunningly. Until now.

The virus has been a highly partisan issue. Which country were you living in 2020? Doesn't seem like it was the US.

Anyway, we are discussing whether or not a Democrat as President in early 2020 would have prevented a lot of the COVID deaths which happened in the US. I am arguing that they wouldn't have. Trump's bankruptcies and divorces have no bearing on this.

Democrats, when put to the test with COVID, have failed repeatedly.

In February, they were obsessed with xenophobia, and felt that was the more important issue deserving focus.

In April, they were mandating that nursing homes take COVID-positive patients, despite the nursing homes literally begging to let them keep these people out. Many thousands died as a result.

In June, they were repeatedly praising (and in some cases organizing) social protests of 60,000+ people, packed shoulder-to-shoulder.

Sorry if I don't trust this party to "follow the science" and do the responsible thing. They're too busy being woke and walking on eggshells not to offend people.

[Dan Druff]

I want to be clear here, though. Trump made some mistakes with this -- many of them in areas of messaging and leadership. I'm not even trying to defend his handling of COVID.

I'm just not going to sit by and listen to this BS that Democrats would have done better, because they've pretty much fucked this up royally every time they had a chance to make decisions about this matter.

Also, as I said, Trump's mistakes didn't result in a lot of extra deaths. He just sounded idiotic at times.