how do you explain how well south korea did with covid? they say it was early testing and quarantining that did it.Originally Posted by Dan Druff
how do you explain how well south korea did with covid? they say it was early testing and quarantining that did it.
Druff, you do realize that covid is being spread by asymptomatic carriers, right? My wife's cousin came down with the sniffles, was tested for covid and was positive, his wife and kids who had no symptoms and were going about their lives also tested positive. Now they're all home not unknowingly infecting others.
them stupid chinks already wear masks, can't compare apples and orangeshow do you explain how well south korea did with covid? they say it was early testing and quarantining that did it.
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Different culture, different type of population.how do you explain how well south korea did with covid? they say it was early testing and quarantining that did it.
In general, Asian cultures are much more reverential of government and willing to be bossed around by those in authority. That has its upside and downsides, but in a pandemic, obviously such a culture has an advantage.
Basically everyone was told to stay home, and to quarantine if they even suspected symptoms. It wasn't the testing that did it -- it was the mass cooperation from a population from 51 million which you'd never get out here.
The US began via a distrust of government and the assertion of the rights of the individual. These themes have been with us throughout US history. It has produced the most free society in world history, and many other positive things, but it also lends itself to being tough to fully control. This has become even more true as the partisan divide has become sharper, and half the population doesn't trust the other half.
Anyway, the short answer is that it's societal differences, not leadership differences. What was done in South Korea would have never worked over here, no matter who was President.
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Unless something has changed since I last read about it, it's currently inconclusive whether or not asymptomatic people typically spread COVID. There are/were some theories (by well-respected scientists, not crackpots) that most of the spread comes from pre-symptomatic people -- ones destined to be symptomatic in 24-48 hours, but not asymptomatic.
Regardless, even if we want to say that asymptomatic people are spreading it, that just strengthens my point.
Your wife's cousin's family only tested because someone in their family had symptoms. However, if the entire family was asymptomatic (which it almost was), nobody would have tested, and they would have been spreading it without knowing it.
That's my entire point. If pre-symptomatic (and maybe asymptomatic) people are spreading it, and have no reason to test (because they are healthy and don't think they were exposed to COVID), then a well-executed testing plan for the citizenry isn't going to stop the spread.
If you think I'm making the case that testing is useless, I'm not. There's a difference between something being useful and game-changing. I'm stating that testing is useful, but not essential or game-changing when it comes to COVID.
By the way, go read my thread about Master Scalir and his experience with COVID. This was my first hands-on experience with trying to find testing in LA, and it was pretty shocking how bad the entire thing was. While there is no shortage of tests now, it was difficult and cumbersome to find and set up a test, and I imagine that a lot of people who aren't computer-savvy (or simply don't own one) simply give up and don't bother. The city of LA is run by Democrats, as you well know.
It's fantasyland to believe that someone other than Trump in charge would have resulted in a South Korea type result for the US.
Different culture, different type of population.
In general, Asian cultures are much more reverential of government and willing to be bossed around by those in authority. That has its upside and downsides, but in a pandemic, obviously such a culture has an advantage.
Basically everyone was told to stay home, and to quarantine if they even suspected symptoms. It wasn't the testing that did it -- it was the mass cooperation from a population from 51 million which you'd never get out here.
The US began via a distrust of government and the assertion of the rights of the individual. These themes have been with us throughout US history. It has produced the most free society in world history, and many other positive things, but it also lends itself to being tough to fully control. This has become even more true as the partisan divide has become sharper, and half the population doesn't trust the other half.
Anyway, the short answer is that it's societal differences, not leadership differences. What was done in South Korea would have never worked over here, no matter who was President.
Early on, Trump’s many rabid supporters would have gladly worn diapers over their street clothes in addition to wearing face masks as a precautionary measure against COVID if Trump had done so himself when out in public and called on his base to do so as “American patriots”, especially if he could then point to Dems as responsible for spreading COVID by them at best only wearing face masks.
But Trump massively fucked up early on by downplaying the threat of the virus for a number of reasons, and then could never bring himself to admit this initial mistake and get on board with taking the risk serious. So he had to continue acting like it wasn’t a big deal and tried to childishly wish the problem away, just like how he responded to the crises he had running his many businesses into the ground whenever he managed them himself.
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Different culture, different type of population.
In general, Asian cultures are much more reverential of government and willing to be bossed around by those in authority. That has its upside and downsides, but in a pandemic, obviously such a culture has an advantage.
Basically everyone was told to stay home, and to quarantine if they even suspected symptoms. It wasn't the testing that did it -- it was the mass cooperation from a population from 51 million which you'd never get out here.
The US began via a distrust of government and the assertion of the rights of the individual. These themes have been with us throughout US history. It has produced the most free society in world history, and many other positive things, but it also lends itself to being tough to fully control. This has become even more true as the partisan divide has become sharper, and half the population doesn't trust the other half.
Anyway, the short answer is that it's societal differences, not leadership differences. What was done in South Korea would have never worked over here, no matter who was President.
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And forget how dumb your population is for a second, please state for the record the downside of wearing a mask? Even the experts admit they cannot be certain on many things Covid related, so if you are in charge, do you promote erring on the side of caution or just doing your own thing?
Early on, Anthony Fauci said people weren't supposed to wear masks.
Early on, Trump’s many rabid supporters would have gladly worn diapers over their street clothes in addition to wearing face masks as a precautionary measure against COVID if Trump had done so himself when our in public and called on his base to do so as “American patriots”, especially if he could then point to Dems as responsible for spreading COVID by only wearing face masks.
Remember that?
How many fucking times do you need to be corrected on this matter??? For the fucking Nth time... Fauci said that the availability of masks was so low that the existing supply needed to be saved for health workers to have to use. If he had encouraged the general public to rush out and get masks at that time, health workers would not have had enough and the health care system would have been in much greater danger of collapsing if too many of them got COVID.Early on, Anthony Fauci said people weren't supposed to wear masks.
Early on, Trump’s many rabid supporters would have gladly worn diapers over their street clothes in addition to wearing face masks as a precautionary measure against COVID if Trump had done so himself when our in public and called on his base to do so as “American patriots”, especially if he could then point to Dems as responsible for spreading COVID by only wearing face masks.
Remember that?
Seriously, Druff! Do you have some kind of brain damage or something? I must be the 10th person on here who has corrected you on this matter!
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How many fucking times do you need to be corrected on this matter??? For the fucking Nth time... Fauci said that the availability of masks was so low that the existing supply needed to be saved for health workers to have to use. If he had encouraged the general public to rush out and get masks at that time, health workers would not have had enough and the health care system would have been in much greater danger of collapsing if too many of them got COVID.
Seriously, Druff! Do you have some kind of brain damage or something? I must be to 10th person on here who has corrected you on this matter!
what part of what druff said was inaccurate?
you are making it sound like fauci was honest and came out and told the public that "masks will help protect you but don't buy them because the hospital workers need them."
that's not what he did.
he just told the public that masks won't really help.
i'm sure he did this because he didn't want a shortage for hospitals, but that doesn't change the fact that he lied to the american public, even if it was for the right reasons.
Can you read, did you try? Doesn't look like it.
what part of what druff said was inaccurate?
you are making it sound like fauci was honest and came out and told the public that "masks will help protect you but don't buy them because the hospital workers need them."
that's not what he did.
he just told the public that masks won't really help.
i'm sure he did this because he didn't want a shortage for hospitals, but that doesn't change the fact that he lied to the american public, even if it was for the right reasons.
:TDS
Early on, Trump’s many rabid supporters would have gladly worn diapers over their street clothes in addition to wearing face masks as a precautionary measure against COVID if Trump had done so himself when out in public and called on his base to do so as “American patriots”, especially if he could then point to Dems as responsible for spreading COVID by them at best only wearing face masks.
But Trump massively fucked up early on by downplaying the threat of the virus for a number of reasons, and then could never bring himself to admit this initial mistake and get on board with taking the risk serious. So he had to continue acting like it wasn’t a big deal and tried to childishly wish the problem away, just like how he responded to the crises he had running his many businesses into the ground whenever he managed them himself.
Unless something has changed since I last read about it, it's currently inconclusive whether or not asymptomatic people typically spread COVID. There are/were some theories (by well-respected scientists, not crackpots) that most of the spread comes from pre-symptomatic people -- ones destined to be symptomatic in 24-48 hours, but not asymptomatic.
Regardless, even if we want to say that asymptomatic people are spreading it, that just strengthens my point.
Your wife's cousin's family only tested because someone in their family had symptoms. However, if the entire family was asymptomatic (which it almost was), nobody would have tested, and they would have been spreading it without knowing it.
That's my entire point. If pre-symptomatic (and maybe asymptomatic) people are spreading it, and have no reason to test (because they are healthy and don't think they were exposed to COVID), then a well-executed testing plan for the citizenry isn't going to stop the spread.
If you think I'm making the case that testing is useless, I'm not. There's a difference between something being useful and game-changing. I'm stating that testing is useful, but not essential or game-changing when it comes to COVID.
By the way, go read my thread about Master Scalir and his experience with COVID. This was my first hands-on experience with trying to find testing in LA, and it was pretty shocking how bad the entire thing was. While there is no shortage of tests now, it was difficult and cumbersome to find and set up a test, and I imagine that a lot of people who aren't computer-savvy (or simply don't own one) simply give up and don't bother. The city of LA is run by Democrats, as you well know.
It's fantasyland to believe that someone other than Trump in charge would have resulted in a South Korea type result for the US.
Let's try this. Do agree or disagree that tens of thousands of American lives would have been saved if we had decent testing at the beginning coupled with Trump aggressively advocating for mask wearing?
You already know the answer to this.how do you explain how well south korea did with covid? they say it was early testing and quarantining that did it.
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what part of what druff said was inaccurate?
you are making it sound like fauci was honest and came out and told the public that "masks will help protect you but don't buy them because the hospital workers need them."
that's not what he did.
he just told the public that masks won't really help.
i'm sure he did this because he didn't want a shortage for hospitals, but that doesn't change the fact that he lied to the american public, even if it was for the right reasons.
in fairness fauci was making educated comments based on a lifetime of experience and incomplete / falsified information, whereas druffs arguing that dunning kruger is every bit as valid as a lifetime of experience and study.
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