**OFFICIAL Donald J. Trump vs. Joseph (Joe) R. Biden Thread - 2020 Presidential Election**

[TheXFactor]

The American people will fire Trump first.

After Trump loses this week over 100,00 people will gather at the White House to protest Trump and try to force his resignation.

[Daniel72]

Nebraska Trump rally turn out of 29,000 people was a 'wake-up moment for the media'

[duped_samaritan]

Because at the time there was little evidence that masks would have a significant impact on the spread of the virus. Also, as he explained in the very same interview, there was a concern about a shortage for health care workers.

Are you seriously standing by your obvious lie that he later 'admitted he was lying for the good of healthcare workers'?

He also acknowledged that masks were initially not recommended to the general public so that first responders wouldn’t feel the strain of a shortage of PPE.

He explained that public health experts "were concerned the public health community, and many people were saying this, were concerned that it was at a time when personal protective equipment, including the N95 masks and the surgical masks, were in very short supply.”

By early April, the Strategic National Stockpile had been depleted, and around the same time President Trump invoked the Defense Production Act to have manufacturing chains across the U.S. focus on making vital medical equipment such as ventilators and masks.

Fauci continued to say that they wanted to give as many masks as possible to front line workers and emergency personnel.

“We wanted to make sure that the people, namely the health care workers, who were brave enough to put themselves in a harm way, to take care of people who you know were infected with the coronavirus and the danger of them getting infected,” Fauci concluded.

https://thehill.com/changing-america...-to-wear-masks


I'll take your concession regarding being wrong now.

When he discouraged people from wearing masks initially he explained that a shortage for healthcare workers was part of the reason people shouldn't run out and buy masks.

And in your brain somehow you've convinced yourself that when his stance on masks changed he admitted he was lying to benefit the healthcare workers.

Remarkable.

I'd love to hear your theory on why Faucci decided to lie. Was it because he's part of the deep state trying to bring down Trump?

[Dan Druff]

When he discouraged people from wearing masks initially he explained that a shortage for healthcare workers was part of the reason people shouldn't run out and buy masks.

And in your brain somehow you've convinced yourself that when his stance on masks changed he admitted he was lying to benefit the healthcare workers.

Remarkable.

I'd love to hear your theory on why Faucci decided to lie. Was it because he's part of the deep state trying to bring down Trump?

Go read the article I linked. Fauci makes it very clear he LIED about masks not providing a benefit because he wanted healthcare workers to be able to obtain the N-95 masks first.

He meant well when he did it. However, the bottom line is that he lied to the people about masks because he thought the lie was for the greater good.

This is why you don't blindly listen to the so-called "experts", and do a sanity check on all statements made.

Additionally, doctors are not policymakers. The absolute safest thing for us to do, COVID-wise, is to stay in our homes and never set foot out our doors, at any time for any reason. This would also be a really bad idea policy-wise. Therefore, "follow the science" and "listen to the doctors" is a bunch of arrogant nonsense which doesn't really mean anything.

Similarly, let's say you have $5,000 to your name, and you go to the doctor, who wants to run a painful (but not dangerous) $4,000 test for a non-deadly condition where your chances of having it are 1%. From a medical standpoint, you should take the test. From a medical standpoint, the right advice would be to take the test. In fact, the doctor could be sued for malpractice if he advised NOT to take the test! From a life management standpoint, you'd be a moron to take the test in this situation.

There's always a balance between the safest medical advice and the most practical application of that advice.

Simpleton leftists think that you need to blindly listen to "doctors" (but only the ones they agree with), and ignore all of the policy implications of the doctors' advice.

[duped_samaritan]

When he discouraged people from wearing masks initially he explained that a shortage for healthcare workers was part of the reason people shouldn't run out and buy masks.

And in your brain somehow you've convinced yourself that when his stance on masks changed he admitted he was lying to benefit the healthcare workers.

Remarkable.

I'd love to hear your theory on why Faucci decided to lie. Was it because he's part of the deep state trying to bring down Trump?

Go read the article I linked. Fauci makes it very clear he LIED about masks not providing a benefit because he wanted healthcare workers to be able to obtain the N-95 masks first.

He meant well when he did it. However, the bottom line is that he lied to the people about masks because he thought the lie was for the greater good.

I mean, this is dumbfounding how ridiculous your argument is.

The guy literally explained in March that people shouldn't be buying facemasks because there was a shortage and health workers needed them more.

In your article from June, when asked why he told people not to wear masks, he said the same thing.

Think about it for a second.

[TheXFactor]

Doctor Anthony Fauci was the world's 10th most cited HIV/AIDS researcher from 1996 through 2006. He is the recipient of numerous prestigious awards and holds 38 honorary doctoral degrees from universities all over the world. He received his medical degree from Cornell University Medical College.

Donald Trump is a fucking fraud who cheated on his SAT tests to get in Wharton Business School.

Trump is a fucking coward who got phony medical deferments to avoid the military draft.

[Daniel72]

The dancing president will win the election tomorrow and save the USA and rest of the world from evil socialism/globalism:

[BCR]

When he discouraged people from wearing masks initially he explained that a shortage for healthcare workers was part of the reason people shouldn't run out and buy masks.

And in your brain somehow you've convinced yourself that when his stance on masks changed he admitted he was lying to benefit the healthcare workers.

Remarkable.

I'd love to hear your theory on why Faucci decided to lie. Was it because he's part of the deep state trying to bring down Trump?

Go read the article I linked. Fauci makes it very clear he LIED about masks not providing a benefit because he wanted healthcare workers to be able to obtain the N-95 masks first.

He meant well when he did it. However, the bottom line is that he lied to the people about masks because he thought the lie was for the greater good.

This is why you don't blindly listen to the so-called "experts", and do a sanity check on all statements made.

Additionally, doctors are not policymakers. The absolute safest thing for us to do, COVID-wise, is to stay in our homes and never set foot out our doors, at any time for any reason. This would also be a really bad idea policy-wise. Therefore, "follow the science" and "listen to the doctors" is a bunch of arrogant nonsense which doesn't really mean anything.

Similarly, let's say you have $5,000 to your name, and you go to the doctor, who wants to run a painful (but not dangerous) $4,000 test for a non-deadly condition where your chances of having it are 1%. From a medical standpoint, you should take the test. From a medical standpoint, the right advice would be to take the test. In fact, the doctor could be sued for malpractice if he advised NOT to take the test! From a life management standpoint, you'd be a moron to take the test in this situation.

There's always a balance between the safest medical advice and the most practical application of that advice.

Simpleton leftists think that you need to blindly listen to "doctors" (but only the ones they agree with), and ignore all of the policy implications of the doctors' advice.

I think he lied for the health care workers, but I also think he lied because he’s a political animal and he wanted in the game and he wasn’t in the game to the degree he wanted from the start. This is a problem with the swamp, but it’s also a problem with Trump. It points to the very real problem that there is a swamp, but it also points to the problem that Trump is part of it and makes it worse.

Like a real clean up the swamp guy says I don’t want bureaucrats telling me what I want to hear. I want the truth. That’s the furthest thing from Trump.

You don’t have that position Fauci has had through five or six different administrations without being a political animal yourself. He’s a great doctor who I’m sure has done great work, but he also likes the attention and the invites to the cocktail parties. That’s very clear.

It was also very clear from the start that Trump was going to downplay the virus and if you wanted to be on team task force, you better get on board. I’d have more respect for Fauci has he stepped down and just said this motherfucker is willing to kill us all if it means getting re-elected, but he didn’t.

I’m sure he justified it to himself by convincing himself he’d do more good and save more lives working from the inside, but my read from the start was he knew how Trump is wired, because everyone does, and he downplayed it enough to get himself to get on the task force. If everyone wants to downplay it, you figure you can navigate the situation and be the voice of reason in the room. Even Birx, who was more willing to fall in line with Trump, basically now thinks he’s crazy and has a moron running shit. This thing has been political from the day bodies started dropping because of the timing.

[Daniel72]

Massive land slide is coming

[duped_samaritan]

I think he lied for the health care workers

Nice job Druff. It worked on BCR.

[dwai]

I think he lied for the health care workers

Nice job Druff. It worked on BCR.

why did he lie then, smart guy?

[blake]

Go read the article I linked. Fauci makes it very clear he LIED about masks not providing a benefit because he wanted healthcare workers to be able to obtain the N-95 masks first.

He meant well when he did it. However, the bottom line is that he lied to the people about masks because he thought the lie was for the greater good.

I mean, this is dumbfounding how ridiculous your argument is.

The guy literally explained in March that people shouldn't be buying facemasks because there was a shortage and health workers needed them more.

In your article from June, when asked why he told people not to wear masks, he said the same thing.

Think about it for a second.

i don't think this is right. he originally said that masks are not effective, and then explained he said that to make sure healthcare workers had them.

hasn't he admitted lying about this?

[duped_samaritan]

Nice job Druff. It worked on BCR.

why did he lie then, smart guy?

My guess is he lied because Faucci criticized Trump. I'm sure it didn't hurt that Trump has been blatantly misrepresenting Fauccis statements himself at rallies and in campaign ads. If Trump can get away with it, why not Druff?

2016 Druff would've had no problem calling out anyone who pulled this kind of thing regardless of any politics. Hopefully whatever happened to him since then isn't permanent.

[sonatine]

[duped_samaritan]

I mean, this is dumbfounding how ridiculous your argument is.

The guy literally explained in March that people shouldn't be buying facemasks because there was a shortage and health workers needed them more.

In your article from June, when asked why he told people not to wear masks, he said the same thing.

Think about it for a second.

i don't think this is right. he originally said that masks are not effective, and then explained he said that to make sure healthcare workers had them.

hasn't he admitted lying about this?

This is the relevant part from the March interview:


"There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is. And, often, there are unintended consequences — people keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face.

But there is another risk to healthy people buying disposable masks as a precaution. The price of face masks is surging, and Prestige Ameritech, the nation's largest surgical mask manufacturer, is now struggling to keep up with the increased demand.

It could lead to a shortage of masks for the people who really need it."


In June, Fauci again repeated that back in March, the shortage of PPE motivated him to tell people not to wear masks.

And now, Druff is trying to convince people that when he said it in June he was confessing that he lied back in March, even though he said the same thing both times.

[sonatine]

so its worth noting that in the last 72 hours or so of the previous election, the FBI made some clumsy announcement about emails / hillary and it hit _hard_ and a ton of swing states shifted noticeably towards trump.


nothing even close to that is happening right now.

[nightmarefish]

so its worth noting that in the last 72 hours or so of the previous election, the FBI made some clumsy announcement about emails / hillary and it hit _hard_ and a ton of swing states shifted noticeably towards trump.


nothing even close to that is happening right now.

The Hillary hate factor was instrumental to Trump's 2016 win. That's why I don't see what happen in 2016 being relevant to 2020. People keep saying, the 2016 polls were the same blah blah blah, I don't think they're the same at all.

[v12cl]

so its worth noting that in the last 72 hours or so of the previous election, the FBI made some clumsy announcement about emails / hillary and it hit _hard_ and a ton of swing states shifted noticeably towards trump.


nothing even close to that is happening right now.

It wasn't that Hillary was a hated candidate, crooked, compromised, or handed the nomination without a real primary, IT WAS THE FBI WHO COST HER THE ELECTION.

Or was it the Russians?

There is always someone else to blame when Dems lose, it is never their actions, incompetence, or terrible ideas.

Comey's clumsy announcement 3 days before the election was nothing compared to the last 5 months of riots and violence.

Talk is cheap, I guess we will all see tomorrow.

[duped_samaritan]

so its worth noting that in the last 72 hours or so of the previous election, the FBI made some clumsy announcement about emails / hillary and it hit _hard_ and a ton of swing states shifted noticeably towards trump.


nothing even close to that is happening right now.

It wasn't that Hillary was a hated candidate, crooked, compromised, or handed the nomination without a real primary, IT WAS THE FBI WHO COST HER THE ELECTION.

Or was it the Russians?

There is always someone else to blame when Dems lose, it is never their actions, incompetence, or terrible ideas.

Comey's clumsy announcement 3 days before the election was nothing compared to the last 5 months of riots and violence.

Talk is cheap, I guess we will all see tomorrow.

At least if the Republicans lose, we know they won't try and blame anyone else or cry about how unfair it is.

[sonatine]

so its worth noting that in the last 72 hours or so of the previous election, the FBI made some clumsy announcement about emails / hillary and it hit _hard_ and a ton of swing states shifted noticeably towards trump.


nothing even close to that is happening right now.

The Hillary hate factor was instrumental to Trump's 2016 win. That's why I don't see what happen in 2016 being relevant to 2020. People keep saying, the 2016 polls were the same blah blah blah, I don't think they're the same at all.

yeah the hillary=bitch factor was on my radar but i hadnt considered how hard that fbi letter played into some of those swing state numbers. it was absolutely a thing.

not saying trump would have lost without it, but it makes the chances of him pulling off another miracle 3 pointer from mid court that much less realistic.