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    Quote Originally Posted by BiffCo99 View Post
    Biden in PA today. Ideal Commander in Chief right here.

    https://twitter.com/#!/x/status/1320814970817433601
    It's like there's two of the guy. They send Joe Biden 2.0 on to the debate stage pumped full of who knows what then they throw average Joe out on the streets and he folds like origami.
    Imagine if you only saw Bidens worst few 10-20 second clips from the debate and were fooled into thinking he just did that the whole time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    Biff, All heís doing is preaching to the choir man. Heís a narcissist. He loves rallies. They arenít political events, they are worship services with him as the deity. That helps with voter enthusiasm, but he isnít out there because heís a brave soul. Heís out there because it feeds his ego.

    Not every Trump voter is by any means a cultist, but any Trump voter who would go to a rally at this point is a 100% straight up moron kool aid drinking fool. If youíre having a beer and unfamiliar with a candidate, sure check out what he has to say if itís across the street.

    This is some way past their prime rock concert where he still plays lock her up like Loverboy closing with Everybodyís Working for the Weekend at some shitty casino on the border of Nevada and California, and the cover charge is the opportunity to get your whole family sick for going. He even tells them this is the last place Iíd like to be and they cheer as he basically calls their town a shithole.

    The last people heíd ever spend a moment with are the people at his rallies. He gets to come and brag for a an hour and they worship him and he gets off on it and then jumps back in his helicopter and makes fun of them.

    If you donít see thatís exactly who he is at his very core then youíre a fucking moron who shouldnít be allowed to use sharp utensils.

    Biden isnt having rallies because he doesnít want to step on his dick over the Hunter shit and he has no real enthusiasm, so itís smart to act like itís irresponsible in a time of Covid. Heís ran well that his lack of enthusiasm has always looked responsible rather than what it is, people donít love him, they hate Trump.

    He might not need any enthusiasm. Iíd prefer to like who Iím voting for. Itís a vote for or against Trump. Every one I know voting my way is voting to get this pathetic embarrassment out. End of story. No reason to cheer or have rallies. We donít love Joe. We will have enthusiasm IF we get rid of him. Thatís when we will have rallies and party. Not because we got Biden. Because we got rid of this sick fuck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krypt View Post
    uhmmmmm im not sure about this one PFA leftists, itís actually starting to feel like Trump is going to close very strong and the momentum may in fact be on his side. I know for a fact that many of the people in the age range of my parents will not stand in long lines or show up to vote on touch screens due to covid.

    The fear of getting the virus from voting in person is only to the detriment of Biden. Ironically, covid and its impact on in person turnouts could be Trumpís saving grace.
    This is the exact opposite of the truth. Trump discouraged his supporters from voting by mail, so the early voting has skewed way in favor of the Democrats.

    If COVID or some other factor like lines or weather suppresses in-person voting on election day, it will be to Trump's detriment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by duped_samaritan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by nightmarefish View Post

    It's like there's two of the guy. They send Joe Biden 2.0 on to the debate stage pumped full of who knows what then they throw average Joe out on the streets and he folds like origami.
    Imagine if you only saw Bidens worst few 10-20 second clips from the debate and were fooled into thinking he just did that the whole time.
    The crazy thing is that Trump DOES do that the whole time, yet they pretend he's completely normal. He's like the "special" kid that is just normal enough to be in with the regular kids and everyone smiles and pretends not to notice when he shits himself.
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    what are the current odds from a fair site? sunwager's odds seem out of whack to me.
    he tries to fly under the radar with his gay big words - Big Bird

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Krypt View Post
    uhmmmmm im not sure about this one PFA leftists, itís actually starting to feel like Trump is going to close very strong and the momentum may in fact be on his side. I know for a fact that many of the people in the age range of my parents will not stand in long lines or show up to vote on touch screens due to covid.

    The fear of getting the virus from voting in person is only to the detriment of Biden. Ironically, covid and its impact on in person turnouts could be Trumpís saving grace.
    This is the exact opposite of the truth. Trump discouraged his supporters from voting by mail, so the early voting has skewed way in favor of the Democrats.

    If COVID or some other factor like lines or weather suppresses in-person voting on election day, it will be to Trump's detriment.


    demorcrats are killing republicans in early voting including vote by mail

    there's a reason republicans hate vote by mail. it cannot be good news for them that every important state does it now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Krypt View Post
    uhmmmmm im not sure about this one PFA leftists, itís actually starting to feel like Trump is going to close very strong and the momentum may in fact be on his side. I know for a fact that many of the people in the age range of my parents will not stand in long lines or show up to vote on touch screens due to covid.

    The fear of getting the virus from voting in person is only to the detriment of Biden. Ironically, covid and its impact on in person turnouts could be Trumpís saving grace.
    This is the exact opposite of the truth. Trump discouraged his supporters from voting by mail, so the early voting has skewed way in favor of the Democrats.

    If COVID or some other factor like lines or weather suppresses in-person voting on election day, it will be to Trump's detriment.
    Iíd like to believe this, as far as them not showing in inclement weather, but I donít know a single Trump voter who wouldnít line up today. Iíd line up today to vote against Trump, but idk if everyone is the same.

    PA actually scares me. Im sure itís a product of me spending my time in a very rural area, but these places were always red, but they werenít some super turnout machine. Hand to God I know personally 20 people who didnít vote at all last time who registered just to vote for Trump. And these people can vote for Trump in 90 seconds start to finish at some rural church. I can too where I live, but it isnít the case where most Dems live.

    I was a Steelers fan as a kid. Everything else Cleveland, but Youngstown is 50/50. I was born right at that time to start loving football as Bradshaw and the Steel Curtain emerged. I was until I moved to Pittsburgh and they were so over the top annoying that I grew to cheer against them and just lost my love of the pro game completely


    People honking their horns after a pre-season win. It just got so annoying. Every day itís all they wanted to talk about and youíd just be like shut the fuck up, thereís more to life.

    All of western Pa is like that over Trump now. I struggle to be around them. So when blake says everyone he knows already voted, I guess I like that they already voted and are enthusiastic, but Iím wondering how many were apolitical previously and only now got engaged. I hope a lot.

    My area is always talked about a lot politically for a small town. They mention it on this weeks 538 podcast specifically when trying to decide why Ohio is so much redder than PA and such, Trump lived here in 2016, and they basically said what I said, there isnít one huge population center like Philly.

    Where I live though, the Trump people are still Trump, but you can have a conversation about something else. Western PA man, itís off the hook. Itís all Trump all day. People who couldnít have named the Vice President ever now spend all day wanting to talk politics.

    I hope blake is knocking on doors to gotv. I feel way more confident about Mi.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by blake View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post

    This is the exact opposite of the truth. Trump discouraged his supporters from voting by mail, so the early voting has skewed way in favor of the Democrats.

    If COVID or some other factor like lines or weather suppresses in-person voting on election day, it will be to Trump's detriment.


    demorcrats are killing republicans in early voting including vote by mail

    there's a reason republicans hate vote by mail. it cannot be good news for them that every important state does it now.
    Basically every new count in states with early voting (like Florida) will be a 'Republican win'.

    On election day, things will be backwards. A low turn out will benifit Democrats since they will have a much smaller % of voters who haven't voted yet. Basically, bad weather could cost Trump the presidency.

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    demorcrats are killing republicans in early voting including vote by mail

    there's a reason republicans hate vote by mail. it cannot be good news for them that every important state does it now.
    Basically every new count in states with early voting (like Florida) will be a 'Republican win'.

    On election day, things will be backwards. A low turn out will benifit Democrats since they will have a much smaller % of voters who haven't voted yet. Basically, bad weather could cost Trump the presidency.
    i had the same discussion with one of my trump supporting friends. of course, he doesn't trust the mail in voting (he thinks they can lose the ballots) and plans to vote in person.

    this attitude is going to lead to a huge democrat advantage.

    even if say 5% of ballots are lost or otherwise defective (just random number), there is -- at the very least -- a 25% chance that people who planned on voting will decide not to for whatever reason come election day.

    i know i have looked at long lines before and just said fuck it, i'm bailing.

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    demorcrats are killing republicans in early voting including vote by mail

    there's a reason republicans hate vote by mail. it cannot be good news for them that every important state does it now.
    Basically every new count in states with early voting (like Florida) will be a 'Republican win'.

    On election day, things will be backwards. A low turn out will benifit Democrats since they will have a much smaller % of voters who haven't voted yet. Basically, bad weather could cost Trump the presidency.

    Here is my fear with the polls. I don’t believe the shy Trump voter bs. Clearly if you were going to be shy, you were going to be shy in CA and NY where being for Trump will get you mocked, and Clinton over performed there.

    My fear is how divergent education is among white support. It’s always my theory as to why the polls were off last time and why they could be again. Try to call a blue collar guy without a degree for a poll and good luck with that. They’re working in a factory or driving a delivery truck and are hard to reach. They often work shifts and are sleeping. Historically, they weren’t so polarized, so getting a 50 year old white guy balanced out when you checked the box on your demos. This became way more polarized during the pandemic. Every educated guy I know had basically all day to sit around and bs. Many still do depending on profession. I’d say 75% of blue collar guys worked throughout.

    So like the pollsters aren’t going to miss the degree/no degree part. They are generally going to get that right, but not all degree//no degree people are the same. Many non degree people have carved out an upper middle class life. Some polls still aren’t filtering for education properly.

    You can catch those guys without degrees who carved out a good outcome, and they’re far less angry at life. It’s the hardscrabble guy working shifts that’s hard to catch and they break so damn hard for Trump it’s enough to skew shit. And all these manufacturing facilities are smart enough to work these guys 50-60 hours a week, but make sure they are off on Election Day because it benefits them. States with the highest misery index are the reddest places in the country. They are the most Trump. He appeals to the miserable more profoundly, and they’re miserable because they’re working 60 hours a week for $12 an hour.



    But those people exist everywhere, just larger in those states. Those people are hard to get on a poll and Trump is their hero. The pandemic has made that more profound. I’d guess this is the easiest year to get educated people on the phone and a guy with enough money to sit it out until shit breaks with the virus. Polls have a huge incentive to get this one right after the last go around because they’re going to be kind of laughed at if they’re way off again, but you can only get on a phone who you can get on a phone. I can call up my educated friends and can catch them almost always. Half my blue collar friends aren’t even allowed their phones in a manufacturing facility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blake View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by duped_samaritan View Post

    Basically every new count in states with early voting (like Florida) will be a 'Republican win'.

    On election day, things will be backwards. A low turn out will benifit Democrats since they will have a much smaller % of voters who haven't voted yet. Basically, bad weather could cost Trump the presidency.
    i had the same discussion with one of my trump supporting friends. of course, he doesn't trust the mail in voting (he thinks they can lose the ballots) and plans to vote in person.

    this attitude is going to lead to a huge democrat advantage.

    even if say 5% of ballots are lost or otherwise defective (just random number), there is -- at the very least -- a 25% chance that people who planned on voting will decide not to for whatever reason come election day.

    i know i have looked at long lines before and just said fuck it, i'm bailing.
    Canít you just fill out your ballot and drop it off on Election Day? That could eliminate most of the potential long line issues and satisfy people who donít trust the Post Office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blake View Post

    i had the same discussion with one of my trump supporting friends. of course, he doesn't trust the mail in voting (he thinks they can lose the ballots) and plans to vote in person.

    this attitude is going to lead to a huge democrat advantage.

    even if say 5% of ballots are lost or otherwise defective (just random number), there is -- at the very least -- a 25% chance that people who planned on voting will decide not to for whatever reason come election day.

    i know i have looked at long lines before and just said fuck it, i'm bailing.
    Canít you just fill out your ballot and drop it off on Election Day? That could eliminate most of the potential long line issues and satisfy people who donít trust the Post Office.
    i imagine you can in most states. i know from experience you can do it in PA. i did that from my car in the primaries.

    still, i think it's a risky proposition for republicans to all wait for election day to vote. i know they are fired up and i expect turnout to be huge (record breaking probably), but things come up in real life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BiffCo99 View Post
    Here’s the thing, Trump is the current president and that car is burning. What’s the rationale behind thinking if you get him reelected that car wouldn’t be burning? Everything Trump does is divisive which leads to extreme behavior ( from both sides).

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    Hereís the thing, Trump is the current president and that car is burning. Whatís the rationale behind thinking if you get him reelected that car wouldnít be burning? Everything Trump does is divisive which leads to extreme behavior ( from both sides).
    Democrat-run police department kills black man. Demonstrators, who believe this shows systemic racism by the Democrat-run institution, support more Democrat-run institutions.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Texter View Post
    What drug is Joe on, check out those pupils...wow.

    Trump sounds like an idiot....ooohing and ahhing about Biden destroying the oil industry.

    Can’t believe it comes down to these two yahoos
    The oil industry actually hasn’t done that well under Trump

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/1...ndustry-432722

    The oil industry’s fortunes have been withering on President Donald Trump’s watch, with dozens of oil companies falling into bankruptcy as weak crude prices take a toll on the sector he contends would be abolished if he’s not reelected.

    Though some of those industry woes were emerging last year as companies grappled with a glut of oil, people in the business say they were made worse by the president’s trade wars and mishandling of the coronavirus pandemic. So far least 40 U.S. oil companies have sought bankruptcy protection in 2020 while dozens of others have slashed spending and cut tens of thousands of jobs.

    Trump frustrated the industry last month by declaring vast swaths of shoreline off Florida and other states off-limits to drilling, an election-year reversal of his past promises to expand offshore production. And even one nominal bright spot for the industry — the administration’s aggressive rollback of regulations — has been so rushed and beset by legal challenges that Democrats may have little trouble reinstating the rules if they reclaim power.
    LOL.

    Trump claims he is a great supporter of oil and gas, but his policies and mishandling of the coronavirus have caused many oil and gas companies to go bankrupt. Of course then he just blames Obama and Biden and takes no responsibility.

    Mission Accomplished!!!



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    Quote Originally Posted by abrown83 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by nightmarefish View Post

    Hereís the thing, Trump is the current president and that car is burning. Whatís the rationale behind thinking if you get him reelected that car wouldnít be burning? Everything Trump does is divisive which leads to extreme behavior ( from both sides).
    Democrat-run police department kills black man. Demonstrators, who believe this shows systemic racism by the Democrat-run institution, support more Democrat-run institutions.
    I agree with this but it doesnít explain the rationale that re-electing Trump will stop it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
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    Basically every new count in states with early voting (like Florida) will be a 'Republican win'.

    On election day, things will be backwards. A low turn out will benifit Democrats since they will have a much smaller % of voters who haven't voted yet. Basically, bad weather could cost Trump the presidency.

    Here is my fear with the polls. I donít believe the shy Trump voter bs. Clearly if you were going to be shy, you were going to be shy in CA and NY where being for Trump will get you mocked, and Clinton over performed there.

    My fear is how divergent education is among white support. Itís always my theory as to why the polls were off last time and why they could be again. Try to call a blue collar guy without a degree for a poll and good luck with that. Theyíre working in a factory or driving a delivery truck and are hard to reach. They often work shifts and are sleeping. Historically, they werenít so polarized, so getting a 50 year old white guy balanced out when you checked the box on your demos. This became way more polarized during the pandemic. Every educated guy I know had basically all day to sit around and bs. Many still do depending on profession. Iíd say 75% of blue collar guys worked throughout.

    So like the pollsters arenít going to miss the degree/no degree part. They are generally going to get that right, but not all degree//no degree people are the same. Many non degree people have carved out an upper middle class life. Some polls still arenít filtering for education properly.

    You can catch those guys without degrees who carved out a good outcome, and theyíre far less angry at life. Itís the hardscrabble guy working shifts thatís hard to catch and they break so damn hard for Trump itís enough to skew shit. And all these manufacturing facilities are smart enough to work these guys 50-60 hours a week, but make sure they are off on Election Day because it benefits them. States with the highest misery index are the reddest places in the country. They are the most Trump. He appeals to the miserable more profoundly, and theyíre miserable because theyíre working 60 hours a week for $12 an hour.



    But those people exist everywhere, just larger in those states. Those people are hard to get on a poll and Trump is their hero. The pandemic has made that more profound. Iíd guess this is the easiest year to get educated people on the phone and a guy with enough money to sit it out until shit breaks with the virus. Polls have a huge incentive to get this one right after the last go around because theyíre going to be kind of laughed at if theyíre way off again, but you can only get on a phone who you can get on a phone. I can call up my educated friends and can catch them almost always. Half my blue collar friends arenít even allowed their phones in a manufacturing facility.
    The pollsters are well aware of this and are aware that this threw off their models last time. Nobody was aware how huge a factor education was in determining vote choice because it hadn't been as big of a factor before. The pollsters have corrected for this and taken into account this time.

    A lot of people think pollsters just call 1,000 people and whoever answers answers, or take the first 1,000 people to answer, or whatever. That's not the case. All of them, certainly the ones worth paying attention to, have a model of the electorate in each state and they keep calling until they put together a sample that looks like their model of the electorate. If they think 40% of the electorate in that state will be noncollege whites they'll make sure that 40% of their final sample is composed of noncollege whites. They did that before with age, race, gender, etc. but this is the first election they've broken it down by education too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nightmarefish View Post
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    Hereís the thing, Trump is the current president and that car is burning. Whatís the rationale behind thinking if you get him reelected that car wouldnít be burning? Everything Trump does is divisive which leads to extreme behavior ( from both sides).
    He has the magic cure, he's just not going to deploy it until after the election. Until then you can burn.
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