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    Quote Originally Posted by limitles View Post
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    You can take this a step further, most of those shootings were still justified. The idea that cops are going around killing unarmed black men for fun/sport because cops are racist is.........retarded. The odds of getting shot for no reason by a cop are around the same as dying from being struck by lightning.
    Maybe you can take it further but the rest of us will require proof of what you say. Justified? Where's the data?
    Last sentence is not the issue
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/walsh...blm-are-hiding

    I have already made the case that systemic racism in law enforcement is a myth. The claim that racist police are prowling the street searching for black men to murder is absurd on its face, and even absurder when you look at the facts. It is by now well publicized — at least in some corners — that, despite all of the panicking and rioting over race-based police brutality, only a very small number of unarmed black men are killed by police each year. But an even closer look at the data, and a study of each “unarmed” killing, reveals that the real number of unjustified police shootings of actual unarmed people — black, white, or any other race — is much smaller still.

    First, to put the statistics into perspective, it’s helpful to begin with the overall number of arrests. According to the DOJ, police make about 10 million arrests each year. As a rough average, 7 million of the arrested suspects are white and 3 million are black. Out of that number, last year, 25 unarmed white people were killed by police, compared to 14 unarmed black people, according to the Washington Post database of police shootings. That means about .0004 percent of all blacks arrested were killed while unarmed. The percentage for whites is comparable. In total, 1,000 people were shot and killed by police in 2019, the vast majority of whom were armed. Still, that’s a mere .01 percent of all arrests.

    Now, the numbers aren’t exactly the same every year, of course. For example, the Post says 22 unarmed black people were killed in 2017, compared with 31 white people. But the percentage doesn’t change very much. Also, we should acknowledge that the numbers vary depending on what source you use. USA Today cites a crowdsourced database that has 25 unarmed black killings in 2019. However a look at the individual cases in that database shows that they count as “police shootings” any shooting involving a police officer, on or off duty. Violence stemming from domestic disputes or off-duty bar fights make it onto their list. This is not how you determine whether there is a systemic problem in law enforcement. We need to look specifically at the cases of uniformed police officers shooting unarmed black people in the line of duty. We know that number is already quite low. But a closer inspection of the actual cases shows that it’s even lower than we think. Indeed, it appears that the whole category of “unarmed” shootings is severely misleading

    I looked up all 14 cases included in the Post’s 2019 database. A few are straightforwardly unjustified. Atatiana Jefferson was shot while sitting inside her mother’s home. The officers were responding to a call from a neighbor who was concerned that there’d been a break in at the residence. Officer Aaron Dean peered into a window in the dark, spotted Jefferson, screamed for her to show her hands, and then shot her without identifying himself as a police officer. Dean has been charged with murder. It’s a horrible case, and outrageous behavior by Dean, but it hardly amounts to systemic racism. There’s no reason to think that this is even a case of isolated racism. Dean, it seems, could hardly see who he was shooting, which is what makes it an egregiously unjustified act on his part, but also probably not racism.

    Officer Carmen DeCruz in Texas fatally shot a man named Michael Dean. Body cam footage apparently shows that DeCruz accidentally discharged his firearm while trying to confiscate Dean’s car keys during a traffic stop. DeCruz has been charged with manslaughter. Both of these cases are clearly unjustified, and both officers have received criminal charges appropriate for the offense. Most of rest of the cases, however, are either far from clear cut, or clear cut in the other direction.

    Christopher Whitfield was shot allegedly during a scuffle with police after trying to steal from a convenience store. The sheriff’s office claimed the shooting was accidental. A grand jury cleared the officer of any criminal wrongdoing.

    Josef Richardson of Louisiana was shot by Officer Vance Matranga Jr during a no-knock drug raid at a Budget 7 Motel. Richardson was unarmed and shot in the back of the head. Deputies on the scene said Richardson turned and reached for his waistband. Matranga was not charged with any crime.

    Officer Jovany Crespo was indicted for aggravated manslaughter for shooting Gregory C. Griffin during a car chase. Crespo says he thought Griffin pointed a gun at him. Body cam footage shows Crespo jump out of his police cruiser (another officer was driving) and fire multiple shots at the fleeing vehicle.

    Officer Sung Kim shot and killed Jimmy Atchison while trying to arrest him for allegedly stealing a cell phone at gun point. Atchison was backed into a broom closet at the time of the shooting.

    These six shootings range from outrageous to questionable. But these are still only six out of the approximately 3 million black suspects arrested in 2019. Half of the officers have been charged with crimes, so it’s not as though cops are given legal license to kill on a whim. Only one of these cases is murder. Two might be manslaughter. You could potentially make an argument for manslaughter in the other three cases, though the officers weren’t charged or were cleared. And, at any rate, in none of these cases is there any reason whatsoever to suspect white supremacy as a motivation. The last officer mentioned isn’t even white.

    What about the other 8 “unarmed” shootings of 2019? This is where the “unarmed” designation really confuses matters.

    Melvin Watkins was shot by a sheriff’s deputy after Watkins’ family called 911 to report that he’d become violent and they feared for their safety. When officers arrived on the scene, Watkins allegedly tried to run them over with his car. Multiple witnesses and video support this version of events.

    Knoxville police officer Dylan Williams was cleared of any wrongdoing by the DA after fatally shooting Channara Pheap last summer. Five eye-witnesses, plus video evidence and dash cam footage, confirmed that Pheap assaulted Williams, choked him, grabbed his taser and used it on him.

    Ryan Twyman was shot by police attempting to arrest him for possession of illegal firearms in June of 2019. Security camera footage shows Twyman driving away with an officer trapped by his car door. The other officer on the scene opened fire, fearing for his partner’s life.

    Kevin Pudlik was killed by police during a car chase. The driver of the car Pudlik was in, Christopher Lee Calvin, nearly pinned an officer between his car and a concrete wall. Cops on the scene finally opened fire when they believed Calvin was intentionally trying to ram into an officer. Calvin was charged with Pudlik’s death.

    Isaiah Lewis, a black teenager, was shot by police after pouncing on an officer and knocking him unconscious.

    Marcus McVae, a “renowned criminal,” as the local media described him, has a bevy of violent crimes to his name, including assault of a public servant. He was killed by police after assaulting an officer during a foot chase.

    Marzeus Scott can be seen on body cam footage attacking a female officer who was trying to arrest him for assaulting a store clerk moments before. The footage clearly shows that the officer was knocked to the ground by Scott, and that she tried to use her taser before resorting to her firearm.

    Lastly, Kevin Mason of Baltimore was shot by police responding to a domestic violence call. Mason sent dogs after the officers. When that didn’t scare them off, he called 911 and threatened to “blast” them and “kill every last one of them.” Mason was ultimately shot when he emerged from his home after explicitly announcing his intention to murder the cops on the scene.

    No reasonable person could describe any of the 8 cases just listed as cold-blooded murder, much less racist hate crimes. These were violent criminals shot while in the act of physically attacking and threatening officers. Most of them were not truly “unarmed,” either. Some were using cars. One used a dog. Another used a taser. Others used their hands and nearly succeeded in arming themselves with the officer’s weapon. These cases may count as “unarmed” in a strictly legal sense, but any news outlet interested in accurate reporting wouldn’t use the term without careful qualification.

    This is what the media and BLM activists mean when they scream about the epidemic of “unarmed” black men killed by police. They mean that a very tiny fraction of black people arrested by police are killed in the process, and that an even tinier fraction are unarmed at the time, and that an even tinier fraction of that fraction of the fraction, actually had no weapon of any kind, and were making no attempt to hurt or kill a police officer. When phrased like that, it doesn’t seem like there’s much of an epidemic here at all.

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    SCOTUS just served trump an L for PA voting
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    Quote Originally Posted by nightmarefish View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by limitles View Post

    Maybe you can take it further but the rest of us will require proof of what you say. Justified? Where's the data?
    Last sentence is not the issue
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/walsh...blm-are-hiding

    I have already made the case that systemic racism in law enforcement is a myth. The claim that racist police are prowling the street searching for black men to murder is absurd on its face, and even absurder when you look at the facts. It is by now well publicized — at least in some corners — that, despite all of the panicking and rioting over race-based police brutality, only a very small number of unarmed black men are killed by police each year. But an even closer look at the data, and a study of each “unarmed” killing, reveals that the real number of unjustified police shootings of actual unarmed people — black, white, or any other race — is much smaller still.

    This is what the media and BLM activists mean when they scream about the epidemic of “unarmed” black men killed by police. They mean that a very tiny fraction of black people arrested by police are killed in the process, and that an even tinier fraction are unarmed at the time, and that an even tinier fraction of that fraction of the fraction, actually had no weapon of any kind, and were making no attempt to hurt or kill a police officer. When phrased like that, it doesn’t seem like there’s much of an epidemic here at all.

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    That's an op ed and it plays it's hand in the first two sentences. Who is claiming cops are prowling murderers? No one. The scientific study on available data relates to
    “Deaths Due to Use of Lethal Force by Law Enforcement.”

    The numbers show blacks die at 2.8 times the rate than whites.

    “Most victims were reported to be armed (83%); however, black victims were more likely to be unarmed (14.8%) than white (9.4%) or Hispanic (5.8%) victims.“

    To suggest than hundreds of years of discrimination and segregation, complete with incarceration and violence, has suddenly disappeared is ridiculous

    Again, almost three times the rate of death across the board

    absurder!

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    Quote Originally Posted by limitles View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by nightmarefish View Post

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/walsh...blm-are-hiding

    I have already made the case that systemic racism in law enforcement is a myth. The claim that racist police are prowling the street searching for black men to murder is absurd on its face, and even absurder when you look at the facts. It is by now well publicized — at least in some corners — that, despite all of the panicking and rioting over race-based police brutality, only a very small number of unarmed black men are killed by police each year. But an even closer look at the data, and a study of each “unarmed” killing, reveals that the real number of unjustified police shootings of actual unarmed people — black, white, or any other race — is much smaller still.

    This is what the media and BLM activists mean when they scream about the epidemic of “unarmed” black men killed by police. They mean that a very tiny fraction of black people arrested by police are killed in the process, and that an even tinier fraction are unarmed at the time, and that an even tinier fraction of that fraction of the fraction, actually had no weapon of any kind, and were making no attempt to hurt or kill a police officer. When phrased like that, it doesn’t seem like there’s much of an epidemic here at all.

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    That's an op ed and it plays it's hand in the first two sentences. Who is claiming cops are prowling murderers? No one. The scientific study on available data relates to
    “Deaths Due to Use of Lethal Force by Law Enforcement.”

    The numbers show blacks die at 2.8 times the rate than whites.

    “Most victims were reported to be armed (83%); however, black victims were more likely to be unarmed (14.8%) than white (9.4%) or Hispanic (5.8%) victims.“

    To suggest than hundreds of years of discrimination and segregation, complete with incarceration and violence, has suddenly disappeared is ridiculous

    Again, almost three times the rate of death across the board
    The flaw in your statistics is they include law abiding citizens of all races which don't have police encounters thus have a 0.000000000% of being killed by a cop. So why are these people factored into the overall probabilities? The reason is it tricks retards like you.

    If you look at per police encounter blacks aren't killed more often than whites. I know the media has brainwashed you into thinking only blacks are killed by cops but it's not reality homegirl. Reality is cops get called when people are breaking the law, 10s of millions of calls a years and sometimes the criminal gets killed and sometimes the cop gets killed.

    Blacks are killed disproportionately more than other races because they disproportionally commit more violet crime. If you can't understand the concept, if you commit a violent crime that makes you infinitely more likely to be killed by a cop compared to if you had continued being a law abiding citizen, then you are truly retarded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PLOL View Post
    Bad day for sidedish on PI. Let's keep him in our prayers


    good day to bet more. trump is going to win in a :SLIDE, easily programmed libtards are scared shitless of covid and will not be voting much election day unlike freedom loving trump supporters

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    Quote Originally Posted by PLOL View Post
    Bad day for sidedish on PI. Let's keep him in our prayers
    https://twitter.com/realikamusume/status/1320896544795774989

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightmarefish View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by limitles View Post


    That's an op ed and it plays it's hand in the first two sentences. Who is claiming cops are prowling murderers? No one. The scientific study on available data relates to
    “Deaths Due to Use of Lethal Force by Law Enforcement.”

    The numbers show blacks die at 2.8 times the rate than whites.

    “Most victims were reported to be armed (83%); however, black victims were more likely to be unarmed (14.8%) than white (9.4%) or Hispanic (5.8%) victims.“

    To suggest than hundreds of years of discrimination and segregation, complete with incarceration and violence, has suddenly disappeared is ridiculous

    Again, almost three times the rate of death across the board
    The flaw in your statistics is they include law abiding citizens of all races which don't have police encounters thus have a 0.000000000% of being killed by a cop. So why are these people factored into the overall probabilities? The reason is it tricks retards like you.

    If you look at per police encounter blacks aren't killed more often than whites. I know the media has brainwashed you into thinking only blacks are killed by cops but it's not reality homegirl. Reality is cops get called when people are breaking the law, 10s of millions of calls a years and sometimes the criminal gets killed and sometimes the cop gets killed.

    Blacks are killed disproportionately more than other races because they disproportionally commit more violet crime. If you can't understand the concept, if you commit a violent crime that makes you infinitely more likely to be killed by a cop compared to if you had continued being a law abiding citizen, then you are truly retarded.
    Idiot. The stats are for people shot and killed by cops. You can extrapolate that this group are not jay walkers.

    Ok? Of that group of non jay walkers blacks die nearly three times as much as whites all things considered.

    There is nothing to your opinion that blacks commit disproportionately more violent crime.

    You dig a bigger hole every time you post

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thesidedish View Post
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    Bad day for sidedish on PI. Let's keep him in our prayers


    good day to bet more. trump is going to win in a :SLIDE, easily programmed libtards are scared shitless of covid and will not be voting much election day unlike freedom loving trump supporters
    Biden voters already voted. Trump is banking on all his supporters showing up on election day. Not the best strategy
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    Quote Originally Posted by PLOL View Post
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    good day to bet more. trump is going to win in a :SLIDE, easily programmed libtards are scared shitless of covid and will not be voting much election day unlike freedom loving trump supporters
    Biden voters already voted. Trump is banking on all his supporters showing up on election day. Not the best strategy

    did they tho?? there's plenty left that will be too scared. im looking at some Trump to win Maine action today

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    Quote Originally Posted by limitles View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by nightmarefish View Post

    The flaw in your statistics is they include law abiding citizens of all races which don't have police encounters thus have a 0.000000000% of being killed by a cop. So why are these people factored into the overall probabilities? The reason is it tricks retards like you.

    If you look at per police encounter blacks aren't killed more often than whites. I know the media has brainwashed you into thinking only blacks are killed by cops but it's not reality homegirl. Reality is cops get called when people are breaking the law, 10s of millions of calls a years and sometimes the criminal gets killed and sometimes the cop gets killed.

    Blacks are killed disproportionately more than other races because they disproportionally commit more violet crime. If you can't understand the concept, if you commit a violent crime that makes you infinitely more likely to be killed by a cop compared to if you had continued being a law abiding citizen, then you are truly retarded.
    Idiot. The stats are for people shot and killed by cops. You can extrapolate that this group are not jay walkers.

    Ok? Of that group of non jay walkers blacks die nearly three times as much as whites all things considered.

    There is nothing to your opinion that blacks commit disproportionately more violent crime.

    You dig a bigger hole every time you post
    Your "3x as often" statistic factors in law abiding citizens. Those people no matter what the race don't have police encounters thus aren't killed by cops. Jesus you're a mong, this isn't a hard concept. If you exam "police encounters" which makes sense if we're trying to determine if cops kill blacks more often than other races they encounter, you will find no difference percentage wise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by limitles View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by nightmarefish View Post

    The flaw in your statistics is they include law abiding citizens of all races which don't have police encounters thus have a 0.000000000% of being killed by a cop. So why are these people factored into the overall probabilities? The reason is it tricks retards like you.

    If you look at per police encounter blacks aren't killed more often than whites. I know the media has brainwashed you into thinking only blacks are killed by cops but it's not reality homegirl. Reality is cops get called when people are breaking the law, 10s of millions of calls a years and sometimes the criminal gets killed and sometimes the cop gets killed.

    Blacks are killed disproportionately more than other races because they disproportionally commit more violet crime. If you can't understand the concept, if you commit a violent crime that makes you infinitely more likely to be killed by a cop compared to if you had continued being a law abiding citizen, then you are truly retarded.
    Idiot. The stats are for people shot and killed by cops. You can extrapolate that this group are not jay walkers.

    Ok? Of that group of non jay walkers blacks die nearly three times as much as whites all things considered.

    There is nothing to your opinion that blacks commit disproportionately more violent crime.

    You dig a bigger hole every time you post
    BTW those aren't my statistics and they do not include law abiding citizens. The study covers those killed (non jay walkers) by law enforcement. You either can't read or understand, which is it?

    Methods:

    All fatalities (N=812) resulting from use of lethal force by on-duty LE from 2009 to 2012 in 17 U.S. states were examined using National Violent Death Reporting System data. Case narratives were coded for additional incident circumstances.

    Results:

    Victims were majority white (52%) but disproportionately black (32%) with a fatality rate 2.8 times higher among blacks than whites. Most victims were reported to be armed (83%); however, black victims were more likely to be unarmed (14.8%) than white (9.4%) or Hispanic (5.8%) victims. Fatality rates among military veterans/active duty service members were 1.4 times greater than among their civilian counterparts
    Last edited by limitles; 10-29-2020 at 10:53 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by limitles View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by limitles View Post

    Idiot. The stats are for people shot and killed by cops. You can extrapolate that this group are not jay walkers.

    Ok? Of that group of non jay walkers blacks die nearly three times as much as whites all things considered.

    There is nothing to your opinion that blacks commit disproportionately more violent crime.

    You dig a bigger hole every time you post
    BTW those aren't my statistics and they do not include law abiding citizens. The study covers those killed by law enforcement (non jay walkers). You can't read or understand, which is it?
    You're an idiot that doesn't understand the statistic you're posting. Blinded by your own stupidity. The left loves idiots like you, easy to manipulate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thesidedish View Post
    im looking at some Trump to win Maine action today

    please save your money.

    seriously this is not a good bet.

    like if youre getting better than +300, ok i guess?...
    Last edited by sonatine; 10-29-2020 at 10:45 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by thesidedish View Post
    im looking at some Trump to win Maine action today

    please save your money.

    seriously this is not a good bet.

    like if youre getting better than +300, ok i guess?...

    its 11c

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    all gamblers should be loading up on Trump in the rust belt fr, he will be leading in them all at one point



     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thesidedish View Post
    all gamblers should be loading up on Trump in the rust belt fr, he will be leading in them all at one point


    Except that it's widely known. The opposite will happen in Florida btw. Mail in ballots will get displayed first and will show a large lead for Biden, even if he ends up losing or winning by a small margin.

    Of course low-info bettors may trade on it regardless. A similar thing happened in 2016 when Miami-dade results came in first and showed a large lead for clinton in FL. Traders took Clinton up to 88 cents in Florida. I'm not expecting them to be that dumb this time around.
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    Honestly, listening to thesidedish' takes is a refreshing breath of fresh air after listening to OSA's retarded theories

     
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    Also, Clinton tried to claim immunity from civil cases and lost, and he should have lost. And that was just a harassment case.

    This is a criminal case, a RAPE case. Trump claiming immunity is LOL. It's even more LOL that he's claiming that denying the allegation is an official function of his office. Really? It's a duty of the presidency to deny rape allegations?


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    Quote Originally Posted by PLOL View Post
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    all gamblers should be loading up on Trump in the rust belt fr, he will be leading in them all at one point


    Except that it's widely known. The opposite will happen in Florida btw. Mail in ballots will get displayed first and will show a large lead for Biden, even if he ends up losing or winning by a small margin.

    Of course low-info bettors may trade on it regardless. A similar thing happened in 2016 when Miami-dade results came in first and showed a large lead for clinton in FL. Traders took Clinton up to 88 cents in Florida. I'm not expecting them to be that dumb this time around.
    dont underestimate the stupidity of people with access to the internet and means to deposit money online into a betting account...

    god bless al gore and Satoshi Nakamoto...

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