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    Betsy DeVos finally does something right -- in process of ending campus kangaroo rape court

    Most people here haven't been in college for a long time, so you might not be aware of a disturbing change which has taken place in recent years.

    Title IX is a federal law that prohibits discrimination based on sex for schools and programs that receive federal funding. Unfortunately, it has been extended in various ways to browbeat campuses into doing things they really don't want to do. This is because "sexual discrimination" is an extremely broad term, and schools basically have to do whatever the government says in order to avoid losing their federal funding.

    During the Obama years, Title IX was extended to "sexual harassment", and in 2011, Obama's people wrote a letter to these schools with "guidelines" regarding how they must handle rape accusations.

    The concern -- a valid one -- was that some schools were not properly investigating rape accusations, and that they must step up efforts to bring rapists to justice. Okay, nobody can really argue with that one.

    However, the letter also demanded that these schools conduct internal investigations and hearings BEYOND the criminal investigation.

    In case that part doesn't sound bad to you, think about what that really means.

    It means that, when accused of rape on a college campus, all due process laws which are central to this country's justice system are out the window.

    In cases of accused campus sexual assault, even if there is no criminal action taken by campus law enforcement, the accused still must face heavily-biased "hearings". In these hearings, defendants have no rights and are given little ability to defend themselves.

    Among the complaints:

    - There is no "double jeopardy" rule. If cleared of wrongdoing at the hearing, the accuser has a right to appeal and have another hearing against you.

    - If you hire an attorney to represent you, the attorney is not allowed to speak at the hearing.

    - In many cases, you are presumed guilty until you can prove yourself innocent. If there is lack of evidence on both sides, you will often be "convicted" at this hearing, and face a possible expulsion from school.

    - Unlike the criminal standard of "beyond a reasonable doubt", guilt at these hearings was to be ascertained by having "50.01% certainty". So if it was concluded that your guilt or innocence could go either way, but very slightly favors guilt, you will be judged guilty.


    To be clear, the 2011 letter was not setting hard standards, but rather was providing "guidance". However, this was code for, "If you don't bend over backward to implement what was discussed here, we are taking your federal funding", so nearly all schools receiving such funding panicked and made these changes.

    There were widespread incidents of young men being falsely accused of rape (or highly dubious cases where two people had sex while blackout drunk, and neither remembering much). These men were having their lives ruined by "investigations and hearings" brought against them, most of which would never have held up in any credible criminal courtroom.

    Unfortunately, many on the left supported these changes. Some took the attitude of, "A woman claiming rape must always be believed, no matter what", which completely contradicts everything we have established in our criminal justice system since this nation was founded.

    I do believe rape is a problem on college campuses, and I support stiff criminal penalties against convicted rapists. However, it was horribly irresponsible to set up these kangaroo courts, where young men could have their lives ruined by baseless accusations.

    Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, who wasn't a very good appointment, has finally done something right and sensible.

    These 2011 changes haven't been rolled back just yet, but DeVos has stated that they will be reviewing the situation, and changes are likely to come soon.

    Here's a good editorial about it from the NY Times, of all places: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/08/o...-title-iv.html

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    Its so great to see some red pill truth in this sea of blue pill beta billys.

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    I know right? It's like when O.J. was found not guilty and the general public still thought he committed those murders.

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    she still a worthless tramp

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by tommyt View Post
    I know right? It's like when O.J. was found not guilty and the general public still thought he committed those murders.
    Not sure what point you're trying to make here. Are you actually an OJ symapthizer? If so, LOL.

    The public having a negative view of a bad outcome in a criminal case is very different from an organized "hearing" system where due process is ignored and the accused have no rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big dick View Post
    she still a worthless tramp
    I agree that she sucks for the most part.

    But at least she finally did a good thing.

    Much like how Eric Holder was awful, but I praised him for his one action of ending federal participation ("equitable sharing") in those bullshit/scammy civil forfeiture seizures.

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    how much damage did obama do during his 8 years?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mulva View Post
    how much damage did obama do during his 8 years?
    This was indeed a damaging and outrageous policy borne from the Obama Administration. Notice that the usual PFA leftists aren't even attempting to defend it, as it's indefensible.

    However, the biggest damage Obama did involves race and police relations. After decades of improvement in both race relations and the rate of violent crime, both regressed badly during Obama's second term.

    Rather than attempting to unite the nation during polarizing incidents such as that in Ferguson, Obama chose to be a divider, creating an us-versus-them mentality.

    Rather than calling for the aggressive removal of bad apples within the police force, Obama painted police as a whole as horrible racists, thus giving way to further hysteria and police being unable to do their job to the extent necessary. Criminals became more brazen. Violent crime went up -- especially in the most impoverished and struggling areas. Racial distrust and hatred flared up. Violent protest groups on both sides (Black Lives Matter and the various white nationalist groups) gained traction and further worsened the situation.

    Trump hasn't done anything to fix this situation, but make no mistake -- this is one very unfortunate part of Obama's legacy.

     
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    This has been officially overturned: https://www.thefire.org/breaking-edu...nt-definition/

    RIP Kampus Kangaroo Kourts

     
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      splitthis: KKK LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
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    This has been officially overturned: https://www.thefire.org/breaking-edu...nt-definition/

    RIP Kampus Kangaroo Kourts
    Good. A very rare actually good thing done by this administration.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
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    This has been officially overturned: https://www.thefire.org/breaking-edu...nt-definition/

    RIP Kampus Kangaroo Kourts

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    Funniest shit I’ve seen in weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mulva View Post
    how much damage did obama do during his 8 years?
    Very little compared to how much good he did, and even less compared to how much damage Trump is doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mulva View Post
    how much damage did obama do during his 8 years?
    Very little compared to how much good he did, and even less compared to how much damage Trump is doing.
    Do you really believe this? you have to be trolling, right?

    "Very little"?


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