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    Rob Gorodetsky: Millennial degenerate douche who fancies himself a pro sportsbettor. This is his story...

    This is a hilarious article: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ing/948611001/

    It's about Rob Gorodetsky, a 25-year-old, douchey sportsbetting degenerate (and sometimes poker player) who bets huge, claims to crush casinos, lives a super-extravagant lifestyle, and has now embarrassed various professional athletes.

    Basically this appears to be a rich kid who lives large and claims it's from an amazing feel for high stakes sportsbetting -- even though he concedes he knows very little about some of the games where he bets $100k or more.

    Here he is wearing a $6,000 Louis Vuitton hoodie:



    While losing "professional gamblers" who are rich from other sources having been posing as winners for decades, this one takes a more interesting turn because Gorodetsky has managed to befriend and bamboozle various professional athletes.

    In the above interview with USA Today, Gorodetsky told various stories about famous athletes who became interested in his sportsbetting prowess, and were dumb enough to believe that he was really some sports prodigy, and wanted in on his action.

    Odell Beckham Jr was named, and is now in a panic because the NFL forbids players from betting on any professional sport, and Gorodetsky claims that OBJ asked him to place a $20k wager on baseball (which ultimately ended up not being placed). OBJ denied knowing Gorodetsky, which seems like BS, given the evidence presented in the USA Today article.

    He also hung out with Lakers rookie Kyle Kuzma, who now also denies knowing him.

    He played high stakes poker at the Wynn with Russell Westbrook, who has "no comment".

    He showed texts he had with Damon Jones, the shooting coach for the Cleveland Cavaliers. He was giving Jones baseball picks.

    He also claimed that musician Drake was briefly friends with him, and once wired $100,000 to him in Vegas to use for gambling.

    This guy has very few tournament results -- only 6 lifetime cashes -- though his last one was 2 years ago at the Pokerstars PCA $25k High Roller, where he got 10th for $98k.

    I give just about a 0.0% chance that this guy is actually a winning sportsbettor. He posted a single financial statement from William Hill showing that he made $26 million in bets and profited $245,000, but will not show any other statements from any other book, which is highly suspect. It's likely that William Hill was the only book where he managed to eke out a win.

    It's also a fact that getting action is very tough in Vegas if it is suspected you are a +EV sportsbettor. You can stay under the radar by placing $1k type bets, but if you are consistently betting big and killing the books, they will often cut you off -- especially if it seems like you know what you're doing

    Gorodetsky claims to win 60-65% of his sports bets, which is highly unlikely. However, if you bet with any volume, and you're not carefully analyzing the games you're betting, then it actually is close to impossible. For reference, I am a 61.38% NBA bettor this year after 147 picks. However, I am carefully focused on just one sport and closely analyzing each game, and even with that, I don't think 61% is sustainable in the long run. Gorodetsky has been doing this for 4 years (presumably making far more bets than my 147), and admits he's just doing it by feel. Also, if he were hitting 65%, he would be winning at almost every book, and could present proof of more than just one.

    In addition, even if we want to take his William Hill account as typical, that would still just be an 0.9% return on investment -- far lower than one would expect for a 65% winner on sides bets.

    Anyway, go read the article if you want a good laugh.

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    You can easily determine if he's full of shit based on how many sportsbooks won't accept his bets or at the least how many severely limit the amount he can bet.

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    Like you said, trust fund kids and drug dealers and scions of rich shipping barons have been playing this role for decades. The more interesting part is how they attract other high profile celebrities and high rollers. This kid is too brash and young to attract true money, like hedge fund guys and old money guys with a gambling Jones.

    I’ve toyed with the idea that it would be an interesting/profitable social experiment/hustle/business to create the myth of the reclusive sports betting sharp who has been a quiet huge winning bettor for decades via social media mentions since the days of PeterDC. I was kind of shocked how he ingratiated himself into the gambling world despite being a full blown degenerate. He wasn’t even really from central casting, yet pulled off a lot of scams via his access to other people’s money and lifestyle.

    It seems we have enough true betting sharps and posters with connections to respected gamblers here to create and maintain the illusion. We’d need to set up a seed fund and social media whisper campaign that struck just the right chord. Respected gamblers who make the occasional random tweet about getting down a large # on a game because they were fortunate to find out who(insert name) took a position on. Create our own reclusive Billy Walters character out of thin air that gradually morphs into a high end tout service.

    When I saw that transparent clown on CNBC get a reality show a few years back despite being a clear losing hack without style, it further piqued my interest. It seems like you could create a really solid business model without it being a scam. I’ve thought about this a lot over the years. The logistics behind making it work.

    When I saw the PeterDC character emerge I thought to myself how easily I could pull that off. I’m simply not a full on conman though, and I’m fully cognizant that I’m not a sharp. I’d gladly play the role though if I felt I was dishing out sound advice. What I’d be great at is playing that role of a reclusive high end front man for actual sharps. I’d actually come out of my self-imposed exile and move to Vegas for something like this. We’re in an era where the illusion is more important than reality. I’m the right age to play a long term under the radar genius. I’m comfortable amongst the educated moneyed person who loves to gamble and golf and would smell out an uneducated person, yet I’m also comfortable with the more street element of that world. I simply couldn’t finance it all by myself, nor have the gambling world connections that would be necessary to start a grass roots whisper campaign.

    I think that there is an incredible opportunity that will emerge for high end tout services fronted by the right person, but using the picks of actual sharps. I think it would be incredibly lucrative. I see far too many NY street types who come off as anything but cerebral. You’d need to start the whisper campaign long before implementing the end game. You’d need to appear a long term sharp content to bet their own games and employ runners until it was getting too difficult to get down wagers, and with the impending sports betting boom, reluctantly agrees to take on a select clientele.

    Like I said, I’ve had this idea for a long time, and it seems at this point, we have enough posters here with a high sports betting acumen and others who have the resources to financially launch something like this. I’d be willing to move and invest my own money if others see the niche/vision that I’m seeing, and we could get together the right group. I’m talking a slow build tout operation which is a combination of wagering on sharps picks here mixed with a social media campaign with nuanced mentions. We’d segregate the money, I’d move out and start playing the reclusive winner who gets reluctantly introduced by the Vegas locals here under the caveat that I don’t like to talk shop with many people. Like I said, I think it has incredible potential. It’s salemanship, and self-promoted myth, but not a scam imo if it’s placing wagers and dishing out advice from the Daly’s of the world. It’s Jay Gatsby takes on sports betting. It’s American business as it’s presently practiced for the most part. Someone is going to do it. I can see it already. You need the right people dropping your name, and then one of the casino oddsmakers who are often interviewed before big sports events simply adding your name to a haralabob or Walters when they discuss who they look to when setting a line, and you’re off to the races.

    We’d also need Druff to delete this thread.


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    and this is one I’ve put on the shelf for quite awhile, so feel free to mock or constructively punch holes in the plan. I’m curious for feedback. I’ve seen elements of this is certain operations, but none that nailed the whole vision of what I’m talking. Most of the operations are too in your face.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brittney Griner's Clit View Post
    You can easily determine if he's full of shit based on how many sportsbooks won't accept his bets or at the least how many severely limit the amount he can bet.

    Exactly. And the ones that are making money doing it dont talk about it.

    Lol he also does parlays which are almost always bad bets.

    Also, these "pre season" games almost always have low limits for the exact reason he is talking about. They books just dont know what is going on. I find it very hard to believe he could get 150k down for a summer game.
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    How could USA Today be that stu--

    Oh yeah, it's USA Today.
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    Dave Oancea, better known among gamblers as “Vegas Dave,’’ is a noted handicapper who sells his picks to subscribers but no longer bets.

    “I tip my hat to Rob because at least he puts his money where his mouth is,’’ Oancea told USA TODAY Sports. “But the truth is, when I used to do that, I was down millions."

    And people are paying this guy money for picks?


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    hes a few neck tattoos away from the big time.
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    “Vegas Dave’’ AKA Dave Oancea is 100% phony.
    He claims that he is banned from Las Vegas sportsbooks for winning.
    Complete bullshit.

    He is under indictment for providing a false social security number not just once or twice but many times on currency transaction reports with a couple sportsbooks.


    Anyone who pays him for "sports picks" is a fucking idiot.



     
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    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    Like you said, trust fund kids and drug dealers and scions of rich shipping barons have been playing this role for decades. The more interesting part is how they attract other high profile celebrities and high rollers. This kid is too brash and young to attract true money, like hedge fund guys and old money guys with a gambling Jones.

    I’ve toyed with the idea that it would be an interesting/profitable social experiment/hustle/business to create the myth of the reclusive sports betting sharp who has been a quiet huge winning bettor for decades via social media mentions since the days of PeterDC. I was kind of shocked how he ingratiated himself into the gambling world despite being a full blown degenerate. He wasn’t even really from central casting, yet pulled off a lot of scams via his access to other people’s money and lifestyle.

    It seems we have enough true betting sharps and posters with connections to respected gamblers here to create and maintain the illusion. We’d need to set up a seed fund and social media whisper campaign that struck just the right chord. Respected gamblers who make the occasional random tweet about getting down a large # on a game because they were fortunate to find out who(insert name) took a position on. Create our own reclusive Billy Walters character out of thin air that gradually morphs into a high end tout service.

    When I saw that transparent clown on CNBC get a reality show a few years back despite being a clear losing hack without style, it further piqued my interest. It seems like you could create a really solid business model without it being a scam. I’ve thought about this a lot over the years. The logistics behind making it work.

    When I saw the PeterDC character emerge I thought to myself how easily I could pull that off. I’m simply not a full on conman though, and I’m fully cognizant that I’m not a sharp. I’d gladly play the role though if I felt I was dishing out sound advice. What I’d be great at is playing that role of a reclusive high end front man for actual sharps. I’d actually come out of my self-imposed exile and move to Vegas for something like this. We’re in an era where the illusion is more important than reality. I’m the right age to play a long term under the radar genius. I’m comfortable amongst the educated moneyed person who loves to gamble and golf and would smell out an uneducated person, yet I’m also comfortable with the more street element of that world. I simply couldn’t finance it all by myself, nor have the gambling world connections that would be necessary to start a grass roots whisper campaign.

    I think that there is an incredible opportunity that will emerge for high end tout services fronted by the right person, but using the picks of actual sharps. I think it would be incredibly lucrative. I see far too many NY street types who come off as anything but cerebral. You’d need to start the whisper campaign long before implementing the end game. You’d need to appear a long term sharp content to bet their own games and employ runners until it was getting too difficult to get down wagers, and with the impending sports betting boom, reluctantly agrees to take on a select clientele.

    Like I said, I’ve had this idea for a long time, and it seems at this point, we have enough posters here with a high sports betting acumen and others who have the resources to financially launch something like this. I’d be willing to move and invest my own money if others see the niche/vision that I’m seeing, and we could get together the right group. I’m talking a slow build tout operation which is a combination of wagering on sharps picks here mixed with a social media campaign with nuanced mentions. We’d segregate the money, I’d move out and start playing the reclusive winner who gets reluctantly introduced by the Vegas locals here under the caveat that I don’t like to talk shop with many people. Like I said, I think it has incredible potential. It’s salemanship, and self-promoted myth, but not a scam imo if it’s placing wagers and dishing out advice from the Daly’s of the world. It’s Jay Gatsby takes on sports betting. It’s American business as it’s presently practiced for the most part. Someone is going to do it. I can see it already. You need the right people dropping your name, and then one of the casino oddsmakers who are often interviewed before big sports events simply adding your name to a haralabob or Walters when they discuss who they look to when setting a line, and you’re off to the races.

    We’d also need Druff to delete this thread.


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    and this is one I’ve put on the shelf for quite awhile, so feel free to mock or constructively punch holes in the plan. I’m curious for feedback. I’ve seen elements of this is certain operations, but none that nailed the whole vision of what I’m talking. Most of the operations are too in your face.
    i like this idea
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    Lol I checked out Rob's Instagram.

    The guy is most likely on a heater that will come crashing down within a year. Unless he is some Middle Eastern trust fund kid you cant gambling at that level, with that much frequency, and survive . I mean the kid is playing high limit slots and roulette. There is really no faster way to flush money down the drain than with those two games.
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    These douchebags are going to tarnish the glorious reputation of sports betting.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheXFactor View Post
    “Vegas Dave’’ AKA Dave Oancea is 100% phony.
    He claims that he is banned from Las Vegas sportsbooks for winning.
    Complete bullshit.

    He is under indictment for providing a false social security number not just once or twice but many times on currency transaction reports with a couple sportsbooks.


    Anyone who pays him for "sports picks" is a fucking idiot.


    What a find. $1 in the stack. He has taken much of his website down since yesterday. Weekly packages up for $500 still.... can’t figure out his entire angle. Perhaps laundering. Bet huge futures bets for every team. One hits. Launder money. Build reputation. Sell picks to public.

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    and this is one I’ve put on the shelf for quite awhile, so feel free to mock or constructively punch holes in the plan. I’m curious for feedback. I’ve seen elements of this is certain operations, but none that nailed the whole vision of what I’m talking. Most of the operations are too in your face.
    i like this idea
    that Dan blitz guy and all these guys seem to fit the bill. Not sure how you “improve” the model though. You really have to be a gregarious sociopath. Not sure what the rep does other than help raise money from the public. If it’s powered by good pics you don’t need the public’s money. As we have seen good pics are just the start. You have to figure out how to place the bet. Collect the cash. And to scale it? Too hard. Bad picks, well it becomes a house of cards built on lies.
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    why are trust fund gambling wannabe's always so ugly.

    Its like God says, Mr and Mrs. Jones, you are wealthy, therefore I must make your childs face pay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmoney View Post
    Lol I checked out Rob's Instagram.

    The guy is most likely on a heater that will come crashing down within a year. Unless he is some Middle Eastern trust fund kid you cant gambling at that level, with that much frequency, and survive . I mean the kid is playing high limit slots and roulette. There is really no faster way to flush money down the drain than with those two games.
    As suggested by someone interviewed in the article, it could also be drug money or a laundering operation.

    The fact that he would only show USA Today the win/loss report from ONE sportsbetting operation -- William Hill -- and it only showed a $245,000 profit -- means that he's clearly hiding the fact that he's getting beat hard.

    If he had statements proving that he's millions up, he would have been the first one to shove it in USA Today's face to verify and publish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charham View Post

    i like this idea
    that Dan blitz guy and all these guys seem to fit the bill. Not sure how you “improve” the model though. You really have to be a gregarious sociopath. Not sure what the rep does other than help raise money from the public. If it’s powered by good pics you don’t need the public’s money. As we have seen good pics are just the start. You have to figure out how to place the bet. Collect the cash. And to scale it? Too hard. Bad picks, well it becomes a house of cards built on lies.

    You make some good points, but you’re kind of missing the point on others. You may be totally correct about scalability. I have no idea what a successful tout service can generate. The lifestyle pics are what’s to be avoided. The most notorious sharps aren’t posting hookers on instagram.

    I guess the question is what would a haralabob generate if he were to sell picks? Because while I have no doubt he’s a true genius sharp, I only know this because of his reputation spread through the internet. Has anyone ever actually charted his picks? I would highly doubt it outside of his quants. His legend is simply word of mouth, yet were he to start a service, I imagine it would print money. But maybe not? I don’t know, hence the thought experiment part. It seems there becomes an intersection where how hard it is to get down on games would become less profitable than simply selling your service.

    The idea is he or Baxter are only legends because people say they’re legends. When haralabob sits down at a table, I’m sure everyone is asking him who he likes despite the fact no one at the table has likely ever made a dime off his picks there. Shit, I know way more about Druff’s abilities at NBA or certainly Daly, yet Daly’s prop legend is confined to here, and he struggles to get down anything without getting shut off.

    Outside of a select few, no one knows how they are running at any given time or what they’ve ever been betting. It seems you could carefully create that legend, and that legend would seem to have great value if you could monetize it.

    Much of business is aspirational. Gambling success in particular is aspirational and fantasy. Never has there been an easier time to create a legend than present. You see it when a label is going to launch a new artist. You can create a buzz about them before anyone has ever heard a single song.


    It just seems like you could carefully craft a “legendary sharp” image almost easier than any other thing in the world given the fact that respected gamblers still have bad stretches, ones they don’t want to discuss, and you could throw them a nominal amount of money to help build a legend. Linesmakers and such are notoriously bottom line unsavory guys. They’d throw a name around for a few $.

    It isn’t poker. The minute you start a training site, people will look at your results. The legend of a sports betting sharp is almost impossible to verify. They’re legends because respected people say they are and it grows.

    It’s true that there is a gregarious sociopathic element to the whole thing. That’s true for much of business, particularly the gambling business. I’m not arguing it’s necessarily moral, just that I think as sportsbetting grows, I think a “legend” who doesn’t come off like every used car salesmen you’ve ever met could be really profitable, and certainly give better advice than most of the services at the same time.

    Like I said, it’s mostly a thought experiment. But I think it’s doable. I just don’t know if crafting that image is worth the investment and time. I’d have to know what the services can generate before knowing.
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    It's an interesting idea, BCR.

    The problem is that all of the flashy BS is what attracts the suckers to these tout services.

    The non-suckers are highly suspicious of touts, and want to see proof.

    If you really wanted to be slimy, you could falsify websites with "posted picks" which are past-posted after the game starts (and you see which team is winning), but timestamped earlier. So you do that while NOT publicizing your website, pretending it's been running for months, and internet history in something like archive.org would verify that (and yet wouldn't be quick enough to catch your past-posting of picks).

    Then you put the word out when you establish an excellent but not impossible record (something like the record I've actually posted so far with my real picks, maybe slightly better), and then people can go through your picks and "verify" that you really posted them and won those games.

    Then wait for the word-of-mouth to get around, combined with your own marketing skills, and make the site pay-only.

    Then, of course, there's a more tried-and-true method of simply creating various bogus handicappers, mostly with different picks from one another, and wait for one of them to luck into a good record. Then start promoting that one, while throwing away the rest of the losing/breakeven handicappers you've created.

    I have also wondered to myself if I could really maintain a 60%-ish NBA record for some time, how much would this be worth to people to pay for? Like, if I set up my own tout service and sent subscribers picks by text message/e-mail (thus preventing the problem of people seeing them too late), how much would sportsbettors really pay for what appears to be a sustained 60% record?

    Too early to talk like this, but a 61.33% record through 150 non-tie picks could be worth something if I could sustain anything near this.

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    I see a lot of issues here. If he is misleading people so hard as a tout he is committing fraud that I'm sure could have legal ramifications.

    If this guy is winning so big in sports alone why brag about it? Surely it can't make his business of selling picks blow up to generate millions for him. If anything he is openly telling the government "hey look I'm making this much in sports betting you'll love the check you receive from me at the end of the year".

    I'd have to lean towards him running some illegal operation while making some big bets but using this front claiming it's where he's making all his money from by posting up a few big tickets so people think he's firing hundreds of bets when in reality he isn't.

    It will be interesting to see how this story plays out in the next few months/years ahead when we find out the real truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post

    I have also wondered to myself if I could really maintain a 60%-ish NBA record for some time, how much would this be worth to people to pay for? Like, if I set up my own tout service and sent subscribers picks by text message/e-mail (thus preventing the problem of people seeing them too late), how much would sportsbettors really pay for what appears to be a sustained 60% record?

    Too early to talk like this, but a 61.33% record through 150 non-tie picks could be worth something if I could sustain anything near this.
    Like pretty much every tout service ever, you're cherry picking your own record. Why did you reset this year? Weren't you a very unspectacular .500 NBA picker last year. I'm pretty sure I could dig up old posts were you said you were an overall loser and thinking about quitting. You talk about sample size but ignore a large portion of the available sample.

    But I'm sure it's because you've found some new secret niche huh?
    It's hilarious that we as a society think everyone can be a dr, a lawyer, an engineer. Some people are just fucking stupid. Why can't we just accept that?

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    Besides the obvious flaws in his story, you know hes full of shit because hes attention whoring. Any serious advantage gambler who is winning more than peanuts will do everything in his power to remain anonymous. Once word gets out that they can make serious money, they can no longer make money you see. This rule applies to poker but not necessarily as much as it applies to other games, because being a known poker stud allows you to get staked into bigger games (usually it gets losers staked though, or guys who can't keep a bankroll together for various reasons).

    Also theres no way a guy with face like his could possibly be some kind of sports betting wizard

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