So coronavirus is definitely going to kill a few of us.

[Dan Druff]

If Druff thinks he is in the top 50% of people in their 50’s there is no reason to get the 4th shot.

Shocked he is actually considering it. More shocking is that he is concerned about the WSOP. I thought 99% of the public is, and has been for the past year or more, living their life in situations like that daily or weekly. Casinos, theaters, sporting events, concerts, now airplanes without masks, etc.

I guess he lives in a different world than most. As for Covid, note all those now saying they have it are because they are still being tested all the time. As someone who has proudly never taken a Covid test, who the hell cares who has it? And if the vaccine isn’t stopping it from being spread, why all the testing other than the financial aspect of promoting them.

Sorry folks Covid is and has been a minor issue for a long time. Wake up.

WSOP is different than all of these things. There's thousands, not hundreds, of people. You're indoors the entire time. You are there for 12+ hours per day.

On top of that, some of the tournament rooms at Paris/Ballys apparently have low ceilings, which is awful in several ways. Would you want to play in a room with Annie Duke and her dirty ass if the ceiling is low?

I can't think of a more COVID-risky thing to do than play WSOP. Even huge indoor concerts only last for a few hours, and they're either indoors or the ceilings are very high.

[devidee]

Why would a healthy 50 year old be concerned about catching Covid?

You’d be better off getting it naturally than taking any of the vaccines.

[Sloppy Joe]

wait a minute though Druff, didn't you literally have to take a 1 hour test flight and a xanax to make sure you could fly without having a full on meltdown?

you talking about anyone else's anxiety is kinda ironic

That was in early 2019, following a super-horrible span of 3 months where my anxiety/depression were at about the highest level possible. The test flight was part of the process of making sure everything was "normal" enough to resume my life the way it was before. A few months later, I flew cross country with no issues. I'm obviously not denying big time anxiety/depression issues in 2018, but Sloppy Joe revealed at one point that he has an ongoing anxiety problem, so it was pretty weak for him to be on his high horse mocking that.

Anxiety is no joke, anyone who deals with it knows this. Thanks for your concern. Glad that mouth rinse was the panacea for you.

Leveraging anxiety by threatening to sue someone for heightened emotional distress via a letter from a psychiatrist is the single biggest example of self-cuckoldry this forum has and will ever seen.

[Dan Druff]

That was in early 2019, following a super-horrible span of 3 months where my anxiety/depression were at about the highest level possible. The test flight was part of the process of making sure everything was "normal" enough to resume my life the way it was before. A few months later, I flew cross country with no issues. I'm obviously not denying big time anxiety/depression issues in 2018, but Sloppy Joe revealed at one point that he has an ongoing anxiety problem, so it was pretty weak for him to be on his high horse mocking that.

Anxiety is no joke, anyone who deals with it knows this. Thanks for your concern. Glad that mouth rinse was the panacea for you.

Leveraging anxiety by threatening to sue someone for heightened emotional distress via a letter from a psychiatrist is the single biggest example of self-cuckoldry this forum has and will ever seen.

This forum has, at times, caused anxiety for me when people reach into my real life to cause problems. It's much easier for anonymous Portland soyboys who hide their identity and just troll others who put themselves out there. Nothing you say or do here can impact your real life or reputation.

Since the permanent psychological damage I took from what happened in 2018, I have less tolerance for the forum bringing me anxiety. While the stuff in 2018 had nothing to do with the forum, and spawned from a physical issue, I have a lot less ability to just shrug off people trying to fuck with me. So my choices when that happens are to just take everything down, or to employ whatever legal means I can to stop it. This is even worse because this site isn't a business -- it's a combination of a hobby and something I do for the poker/gambling community, and there's only so much bullshit I can take which springs from it.

I really don't care what an anonymous soyboy thinks is "self-cuckoldry". Put your own info out there like I do, and then we can see how you deal with things like this.

[Sanlmar]

I placed a same game parlay with central bank digital currency today.

CDC/CBDC

PM me for rotation number

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[Dan Druff]

This is the case of an out of touch CEO not understanding how certain buzz words provide really bad optics.

The term "compliance" has been in medicine for longer than I've been alive. It refers to the patient following doctor's orders. There is often a "compliance" problem when the suggested course of action is either expensive, burdensome, painful, or a combination of the above.

"Compliance" has taken on a new meaning over the past 2 years, given the controversial mask and vaccine requirements. That's why you need to be careful when using that word, if you're in the medical or pharmaceutical profession.

Long before there were any vax mandates, there were concerns that there might be poor vaccine "compliance" if the true side effect profile of the 2nd shot was known. About half of the people taking the 2nd shot got fairly sick for at least 24 hours, but this almost always resolved and caused no permanent damage. This caused a concern that there would be poor compliance if word spread that half the people taking the vaccine would get very sick, even if temporary. Thus, there was a general downplaying of the vaccine's side effects in the media, in order to increase compliance. This was seen as "harmless" because it wasn't actually causing permanent damage.

On a non-COVID front, take something like a colonoscopy. If you have a family history of colon cancer, it's very important to get one, as I found out personally. If you don't, it's still good to do at around age 50. However, again there is poor compliance, because there are some unpleasant elements to it -- both the prep and the fact that you are put under with propofol. There has been research into non-invasive methods to determine the existence of polyps, which would be in place of a colonoscopy, and then the colonoscopy would only be required if something was found. Once such a thing comes to exist, compliance will greatly increase.

With all of that said, nobody wants their medication spying on them. Presumably the chip would be something that could communicate with an app, which would then send your "medication compliance" to your doctor, who could see if you're really taking your meds as instructed. But who wants that? Your doctor isn't your father. You don't need them spying on your medication habits. This will be highly unpopular.

[Dan Druff]

So I went and got the 4th shot. I decided that I just didn't feel comfortable at WSOP with thousands of degenerates all breathing and talking in a small room, where I'm stuck for 12 hours per day, for multiple weeks.

With my second and third shots, I got a pretty bad and long-lasting round of side effects. About 13 hours after both of those shots, I got very tired. I then woke up about 3 1/2 hours later (both times) with fever, extreme body aches, and extreme fatigue. These bad side effects lasted at high level for two full days, with the fever peaking around 102 for the second shot, and 103 for the third shot. Both times, about 65 hours after the shot, things started to rapidly improve, and after another 12 hours or so, I was all better. I did not take any pain relievers during these reactions, as I wanted the vaccine to work unhindered.

I assumed I would experience something similar this time, which I was dreading.

I got the 4th shot at 5pm on Wednesday. This time, the tiredness came earlier. I felt "low energy" like Jeb Bush about 3 hours in, but not sick at all. About 6 hours in, I was very tired, and went to bed. I still wasn't sick.

I woke up about 9 hours later, at 8am yesterday, with very bad fatigue (despite having slept all that time) and very bad body aches, but a temperature of only 99. Good sign?

Nope! Within a few hours, the temperature rose to 101, 102, and later, 103. The body aches and fatigue got worse and worse. I also had chills, presumably from the fever. I was barely out of bed the entire day, and was in lots of pain. I was falling asleep on and off, but the pain kept me from sleeping well. Also, I had been sleeping so many hours, that also made it more difficult to sleep through this.

Finally, I had enough. It was 9pm yesterday, my fever was mid-102s, and the body aches and fatigue were worse than ever. I also had a tension headache from being in bed for so long. I couldn't stand it anymore. I grabbed 3 Advil and gulped them down.

Within like 20 minutes, I got really hot, which is usually a sign that my fever is abruptly breaking. Indeed, it was. Very soon my temp was back down to 100, and the body aches had moderated somewhat. An hour later, the fever was gone. I was still tired, and had a full night of sleep again.

I woke up today. No fever at all. Body aches still there, but still not nearly as bad as yesterday. I'm a little fatigued but not that bad. So the Advil was the difference. It stopped most of this in its tracks.

I then wondered if this was a mistake, and perhaps I interrupted the immune response. However, what little research exists on this suggests that I didn't. It's believed to be a mistake to take pain killers BEFORE the shot, or immediately after, but not after the side effects start. In this case, I took the Advil 28 hours after the shot, and about 14 hours after feeling the bad side effects.

This will likely be my protocol with vaccines in the future. I just couldn't stand it anymore. I wasn't going to go through another full day of this shit.

In any case, hopefully I don't get a breakthrough case at the WSOP, or I'll feel really stupid.

[Sanlmar]

Anybody reading recent posts from Druff and myself have been witness to the unfortunate cognitive effects of the vacccine


That said.

What is the difference between a gubmint issued vaccine card and some kind of high tech pill proving compliance? None

[Dan Druff]

Anybody reading recent posts from Druff and myself have been witness to the unfortunate cognitive effects of the vacccine


That said.

What is the difference between a gubmint issued vaccine card and some kind of high tech pill proving compliance? None

Correct, but the "compliance" this guy is talking about isn't at the gubmint level. It's more so your doctor can yell at you for not doing what he advised.

Not something people should be happy about, and of course this can be abused in various ways later on, but it's not the sort of "compliance" being imagined by those outraged by the statement.

[Sanlmar]

Anybody reading recent posts from Druff and myself have been witness to the unfortunate cognitive effects of the vacccine


That said.

What is the difference between a gubmint issued vaccine card and some kind of high tech pill proving compliance? None

Correct, but the "compliance" this guy is talking about isn't at the gubmint level. It's more so your doctor can yell at you for not doing what he advised.

Not something people should be happy about, and of course this can be abused in various ways later on, but it's not the sort of "compliance" being imagined by those outraged by the statement.

A distinction without a difference.

I am not tilting at windmills any more. I am just marking the sign posts along the way.

[Sanlmar]

If you are dependent on daily pharmaceuticals I would be concerned about drug shortages.

[NaturalBornHustler]

So I went and got the 4th shot. I decided that I just didn't feel comfortable at WSOP with thousands of degenerates all breathing and talking in a small room, where I'm stuck for 12 hours per day, for multiple weeks.

With my second and third shots, I got a pretty bad and long-lasting round of side effects. About 13 hours after both of those shots, I got very tired. I then woke up about 3 1/2 hours later (both times) with fever, extreme body aches, and extreme fatigue. These bad side effects lasted at high level for two full days, with the fever peaking around 102 for the second shot, and 103 for the third shot. Both times, about 65 hours after the shot, things started to rapidly improve, and after another 12 hours or so, I was all better. I did not take any pain relievers during these reactions, as I wanted the vaccine to work unhindered.

I assumed I would experience something similar this time, which I was dreading.

I got the 4th shot at 5pm on Wednesday. This time, the tiredness came earlier. I felt "low energy" like Jeb Bush about 3 hours in, but not sick at all. About 6 hours in, I was very tired, and went to bed. I still wasn't sick.

I woke up about 9 hours later, at 8am yesterday, with very bad fatigue (despite having slept all that time) and very bad body aches, but a temperature of only 99. Good sign?

Nope! Within a few hours, the temperature rose to 101, 102, and later, 103. The body aches and fatigue got worse and worse. I also had chills, presumably from the fever. I was barely out of bed the entire day, and was in lots of pain. I was falling asleep on and off, but the pain kept me from sleeping well. Also, I had been sleeping so many hours, that also made it more difficult to sleep through this.

Finally, I had enough. It was 9pm yesterday, my fever was mid-102s, and the body aches and fatigue were worse than ever. I also had a tension headache from being in bed for so long. I couldn't stand it anymore. I grabbed 3 Advil and gulped them down.

Within like 20 minutes, I got really hot, which is usually a sign that my fever is abruptly breaking. Indeed, it was. Very soon my temp was back down to 100, and the body aches had moderated somewhat. An hour later, the fever was gone. I was still tired, and had a full night of sleep again.

I woke up today. No fever at all. Body aches still there, but still not nearly as bad as yesterday. I'm a little fatigued but not that bad. So the Advil was the difference. It stopped most of this in its tracks.

I then wondered if this was a mistake, and perhaps I interrupted the immune response. However, what little research exists on this suggests that I didn't. It's believed to be a mistake to take pain killers BEFORE the shot, or immediately after, but not after the side effects start. In this case, I took the Advil 28 hours after the shot, and about 14 hours after feeling the bad side effects.

This will likely be my protocol with vaccines in the future. I just couldn't stand it anymore. I wasn't going to go through another full day of this shit.

In any case, hopefully I don't get a breakthrough case at the WSOP, or I'll feel really stupid.

You are a perfectly healthy (above average actually) 50 whatever year old, what in the world are you worrying about?

Congrats you just got sicker from that stupid shot than you ever would have getting the actual virus. I'm sure there are no long term effects either so you are definitely in the clear.

[splitthis]

I placed a same game parlay with central bank digital currency today.

CDC/CBDC

PM me for rotation number

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Lol at compliance, those dirty mofos have much more than compliance planned.

[The Boz]

So I went and got the 4th shot. I decided that I just didn't feel comfortable at WSOP with thousands of degenerates all breathing and talking in a small room, where I'm stuck for 12 hours per day, for multiple weeks.

With my second and third shots, I got a pretty bad and long-lasting round of side effects. About 13 hours after both of those shots, I got very tired. I then woke up about 3 1/2 hours later (both times) with fever, extreme body aches, and extreme fatigue. These bad side effects lasted at high level for two full days, with the fever peaking around 102 for the second shot, and 103 for the third shot. Both times, about 65 hours after the shot, things started to rapidly improve, and after another 12 hours or so, I was all better. I did not take any pain relievers during these reactions, as I wanted the vaccine to work unhindered.

I assumed I would experience something similar this time, which I was dreading.

I got the 4th shot at 5pm on Wednesday. This time, the tiredness came earlier. I felt "low energy" like Jeb Bush about 3 hours in, but not sick at all. About 6 hours in, I was very tired, and went to bed. I still wasn't sick.

I woke up about 9 hours later, at 8am yesterday, with very bad fatigue (despite having slept all that time) and very bad body aches, but a temperature of only 99. Good sign?

Nope! Within a few hours, the temperature rose to 101, 102, and later, 103. The body aches and fatigue got worse and worse. I also had chills, presumably from the fever. I was barely out of bed the entire day, and was in lots of pain. I was falling asleep on and off, but the pain kept me from sleeping well. Also, I had been sleeping so many hours, that also made it more difficult to sleep through this.

Finally, I had enough. It was 9pm yesterday, my fever was mid-102s, and the body aches and fatigue were worse than ever. I also had a tension headache from being in bed for so long. I couldn't stand it anymore. I grabbed 3 Advil and gulped them down.

Within like 20 minutes, I got really hot, which is usually a sign that my fever is abruptly breaking. Indeed, it was. Very soon my temp was back down to 100, and the body aches had moderated somewhat. An hour later, the fever was gone. I was still tired, and had a full night of sleep again.

I woke up today. No fever at all. Body aches still there, but still not nearly as bad as yesterday. I'm a little fatigued but not that bad. So the Advil was the difference. It stopped most of this in its tracks.

I then wondered if this was a mistake, and perhaps I interrupted the immune response. However, what little research exists on this suggests that I didn't. It's believed to be a mistake to take pain killers BEFORE the shot, or immediately after, but not after the side effects start. In this case, I took the Advil 28 hours after the shot, and about 14 hours after feeling the bad side effects.

This will likely be my protocol with vaccines in the future. I just couldn't stand it anymore. I wasn't going to go through another full day of this shit.

In any case, hopefully I don't get a breakthrough case at the WSOP, or I'll feel really stupid.

Why would you getting Covid, or more accurately testing positive for Covid be considered a “breakthrough” case?

Are you assuming the 4th shot will do what they others have failed to do?

Strange wording on your part.

[Kalam]

In Israel a huge segment of the population has had 3 shots, and a sizable percentage 4 shots. Are you aware of any data at all that the 3rd/4th shot works at all against Omicron for young, healthy people; either in preventing infection or in reducing severity of disease (with the caveat that Omicron doesn't cause serious disease in young, health people regardless)?

This isn't a gotcha. I genuinely dont know if there is any data supporting efficacy for a 4th shot.

After my 3rd shot I basically had the same symptoms as you. My body reacted like I had the flu for a couple days and then I was fine. I dont think I was ever in any serious danger or anything, but it was unpleasant enough I am not rushing to do it again if there is no indication for any positive benefit.

[Dan Druff]

In Israel a huge segment of the population has had 3 shots, and a sizable percentage 4 shots. Are you aware of any data at all that the 3rd/4th shot works at all against Omicron for young, healthy people; either in preventing infection or in reducing severity of disease (with the caveat that Omicron doesn't cause serious disease in young, health people regardless)?

This isn't a gotcha. I genuinely dont know if there is any data supporting efficacy for a 4th shot.

After my 3rd shot I basically had the same symptoms as you. My body reacted like I had the flu for a couple days and then I was fine. I dont think I was ever in any serious danger or anything, but it was unpleasant enough I am not rushing to do it again if there is no indication for any positive benefit.

A more recent study showed that the 4th shot was beneficial for those who had gone 7 or more months since their 3rd shot, but not all that beneficial otherwise.

It's been 7 months for me, and I am going to WSOP, so I figured I should.

I'm not out of the woods yet regarding side effects. I'm back to a 100 fever tonight, with moderate aches and fatigue, as well as chills. Hopefully by tomorrow it's all gone.

[Sloppy Joe]

In Israel a huge segment of the population has had 3 shots, and a sizable percentage 4 shots. Are you aware of any data at all that the 3rd/4th shot works at all against Omicron for young, healthy people; either in preventing infection or in reducing severity of disease (with the caveat that Omicron doesn't cause serious disease in young, health people regardless)?

This isn't a gotcha. I genuinely dont know if there is any data supporting efficacy for a 4th shot.

After my 3rd shot I basically had the same symptoms as you. My body reacted like I had the flu for a couple days and then I was fine. I dont think I was ever in any serious danger or anything, but it was unpleasant enough I am not rushing to do it again if there is no indication for any positive benefit.

A more recent study showed that the 4th shot was beneficial for those who had gone 7 or more months since their 3rd shot, but not all that beneficial otherwise.

It's been 7 months for me, and I am going to WSOP, so I figured I should.

I'm not out of the woods yet regarding side effects. I'm back to a 100 fever tonight, with moderate aches and fatigue, as well as chills. Hopefully by tomorrow it's all gone.

[Entropy]

This Pandemic Treaty is pretty insane, it hands dictatorial power to the WHO.
You know the group that helped China cover up the origin of the Corona Virus.


It puts third world countries ahead of US in vaccine distribution.

[Sanlmar]

So you probably heard the reports the northeast is pretty hot with cases.

We were going to have a cookout today. It was incredible how many people bagged out cause of Covid. Young & old.

My son had it last week. Daughter flew in from Colorado - she got it. Neighbors. Sister-in-law.

The whole town is down. I think it started with prom. Who knows?

Everyone was vaxxed. Some not boosted like my son. Unboosted he had severe headache, joints ached & very tired. Lingering tiredness after. Coffee and toothpaste taste horrible.

Others who were boosted seem to have lesser more cold like symptoms.

I’m reading Druff talk about getting the booster so he won’t get sick mid tournament. My observation over a large sample is the booster minimizes the symptoms but DOES NOT PREVENT CONTRACTING OMNICRON

I never knew so many people during 2020/2021 who got sick. Everyone was locked down etc. it couldn’t spread. We are living our lives now.

Now my wife got the booster 2 days ago. She slept forever like Druff. Had chills (fever?). Felt crappy. She wasn’t too much better off than my son who chose to skip the shots and caught the virus. Both lost a few days.

The booster didn’t affect me so much last time but I understand now I’m gonna catch Covid with a booster or not. I’m thinking of getting off the booster train now. We can’t go thru this nonsense every 6 months and still catch Covid anyway.

[Sanlmar]

Perhaps the most striking thing I’ve observed anecdotally is that many who know they have the virus aren’t quarantining themselves in anything approaching a strict fashion. Especially with the nice weather.

Someone sitting with a midrange stack at the WSOP and mild symptoms isn’t leaving. Perhaps not Druff.

Facts of life.