I don't think so, Druff had some panic attacks again over some crypto scheme, outside of that been quiet. Someone had a stroke if I recall.Originally Posted by vegas1369
Hey, how is that cocktail waitress you got a bonus play on when she misarranged? You still partying with her and her friends? Any trip reports?
I don't think so, Druff had some panic attacks again over some crypto scheme, outside of that been quiet. Someone had a stroke if I recall.
Hey, how is that cocktail waitress you got a bonus play on when she misarranged? You still partying with her and her friends? Any trip reports?
So far, crickets.What's the definition of proven? You do realize your definition is different than mine which is different than an anti vax parent right? So what's defined as proven?
Whatever the definition, you're ok with "proven" vaccines being mandated on children? No parent choice?
Let's say this goes on for 5 more years, so you have 5 more years of data. Will you consider it proven then? Will you be ok with Ben being forced to take it?
It's almost like we should hire some experts to decide what is proven and what isn't.....
Maybe Sloppy Soyboy was right about the booster being idiotic.
On Friday, I started having unexplained elbow pain in the same arm where I got the shot. Yesterday that arm also developed shoulder pain.
I did not injure either one, and both came seemingly out of nowhere, about 36 hours apart.
It's been awhile since the shot, but I did feel like my arm never 100% recovered from it (felt kinda like 95% better after about 4 days, then stayed there), and now I've got this going on.
I will say that the injection site doesn't hurt at all, though. But I have to think there's a good chance this is related. Google turned up nothing. There's something called "COVID arm" (which is actually COVID vaccine arm), and in fact my mom had that from both the second and third shots. However, that typically shows up in the form of a rash, and usually it's from the Moderna. I have no rash, and in fact there's no swelling or skin problems at all. I got Pfizer.
If this shit keeps up, I might have to join Kristen Bicknell in a crusade against the vaccine.
No known casualties outside of Druff's integrity.
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So what you are saying is the membership here is not people with overall poor health over 70, like 99% of the Covid “victims”?No known casualties outside of Druff's integrity.
I wouldn’t respond to that dishonest post either. Highlights half a sentence and ignores the obvious important part. Lol awesome tactic.So far, crickets.
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After having been closed for something like 18 months the MGM Springfield has finally opened its poker room again on Friday. If anyone ever happens to be in this area I highly recommend this game. I went Friday but was round 60th on the list so I played craps and went to the red rose instead. Also, for those in the area the red rose is as good as any Italian restaurant you'd find in the north end of boston. Mentioning in this thread because the stated reason for the closure was the virus. Also, the city has a mask mandate but neither the casino nor the red rose are enforcing it and its expected to expire tomorrow. I wore the mask at the craps table so as not to make myself an issue for the workers at the table but at all other times I did not wear one and neither did about 50% of everyone else there. Hope you're all happy and well today.
I answered the same question from khalwat on Friday's radio. But I'll answer it here, too.What's the definition of proven? You do realize your definition is different than mine which is different than an anti vax parent right? So what's defined as proven?
Whatever the definition, you're ok with "proven" vaccines being mandated on children? No parent choice?
Let's say this goes on for 5 more years, so you have 5 more years of data. Will you consider it proven then? Will you be ok with Ben being forced to take it?
It's almost like we should hire some experts to decide what is proven and what isn't.....
"Proven" means that there's enough years that pass to where kids grow up and we don't see any long-term side effects from it (or the ones we see are super-rare).
It will not be proven after 5 years, but it will be a lot farther along than right now. Experts can't "decide" what is proven long term. The long term proves long term. This is the reason why all other vaccines have such a lengthier path to approval -- they typically have to wait a long time to see if medium-term and long-term problems pop up.
I believe the newest vaccine Ben has taken was the chicken pox vaccine, but that had been around for 15 years by the time he got it, so I wasn't concerned. Everything else had been around since I was a kid, or even earlier.
You can be pro-vax or anti-vax for kids. That's up for debate. If you think that it's a done deal that the COVID vaccine is safe long term for kids, you're just ignorant. Only time will tell us that. This vaccine already behaves differently than others, regarding side effects. For example, this is the first vaccine I ever took which directly sickened me for days.
So why aren't you ever on here telling us you're concerned about the long term sides effects of covid? Those actually have been proven so it's far more logical to think there's even more long term sides effects that we still aren't aware of.I answered the same question from khalwat on Friday's radio. But I'll answer it here, too.
"Proven" means that there's enough years that pass to where kids grow up and we don't see any long-term side effects from it (or the ones we see are super-rare).
It will not be proven after 5 years, but it will be a lot farther along than right now. Experts can't "decide" what is proven long term. The long term proves long term. This is the reason why all other vaccines have such a lengthier path to approval -- they typically have to wait a long time to see if medium-term and long-term problems pop up.
I believe the newest vaccine Ben has taken was the chicken pox vaccine, but that had been around for 15 years by the time he got it, so I wasn't concerned. Everything else had been around since I was a kid, or even earlier.
You can be pro-vax or anti-vax for kids. That's up for debate. If you think that it's a done deal that the COVID vaccine is safe long term for kids, you're just ignorant. Only time will tell us that. This vaccine already behaves differently than others, regarding side effects. For example, this is the first vaccine I ever took which directly sickened me for days.
That's one of the things that frustrates me the most in these conversations. The anti vaxers want to talk about possible long term effects of the vaccine and only care about deaths for covid. If you're completely looking at things objectively, death should be the focus of both or long term effects should be the focus of both.
When it comes to science, you really believe parents that know absolutely nothing about science should be deciding what's proven? In most fields there are standards created by experts.
I happen to work in the engineering field. When a bridge is built, it's designed by professional engineers, following standards created by other professional engineers, peer reviewed by other professional engineers, built by experienced contractors following the plans, managed by construction managers. When the bridge is done being built it's safe and effective when these people say it is. Imagine if millions of people were like, we're not gonna use that bridge for 20 years until it's been proven. It's proven to be safe because people that know more than you or I said it's safe. It would be pretty fuckin stupid to have random citizens decide when a bridge is safe.
How would there ever be advances in any modern medicine if everyone took you stance? How would anything ever be "proven"?
Nothing has been proven about long term side effects from Covid, it will take years to determine if any long term side effects exist. Yes, Covid has exacerbated pre-existing conditions, like any illness does. But there are plenty of people taking time off from work gaming the system. All you have to do is complain about extreme Covid fatigue and you get long term disability. You should realize this, but you are impressionable from outlets like CNN and MSNBC, so you probably don't realize a large % of the 'long haulers' are gaming the system. I know plenty of people who had Covid, only one has lingering issues, a heart issue, a guy who had a heart attack several years ago. Everyone else is fine because most are self employed and would be gaming themselves if they faked symptoms and stayed home. Thought you knew.So why aren't you ever on here telling us you're concerned about the long term sides effects of covid? Those actually have been proven so it's far more logical to think there's even more long term sides effects that we still aren't aware of.
That's one of the things that frustrates me the most in these conversations. The anti vaxers want to talk about possible long term effects of the vaccine and only care about deaths for covid. If you're completely looking at things objectively, death should be the focus of both or long term effects should be the focus of both.
When it comes to science, you really believe parents that know absolutely nothing about science should be deciding what's proven? In most fields there are standards created by experts.
I happen to work in the engineering field. When a bridge is built, it's designed by professional engineers, following standards created by other professional engineers, peer reviewed by other professional engineers, built by experienced contractors following the plans, managed by construction managers. When the bridge is done being built it's safe and effective when these people say it is. Imagine if millions of people were like, we're not gonna use that bridge for 20 years until it's been proven. It's proven to be safe because people that know more than you or I said it's safe. It would be pretty fuckin stupid to have random citizens decide when a bridge is safe.
How would there ever be advances in any modern medicine if everyone took you stance? How would anything ever be "proven"?
I'm sure there are people gaming the system, that has nothing to do with what I wrote or the conversation Druff and I are having. There are people having long term impacts from covid, there's undeniable evidence of it. You and I both know people personally.Nothing has been proven about long term side effects from Covid, it will take years to determine if any long term side effects exist. Yes, Covid has exacerbated pre-existing conditions, like any illness does. But there are plenty of people taking time off from work gaming the system. All you have to do is complain about extreme Covid fatigue and you get long term disability. You should realize this, but you are impressionable from outlets like CNN and MSNBC, so you probably don't realize a large % of the 'long haulers' are gaming the system. I know plenty of people who had Covid, only one has lingering issues, a heart issue, a guy who had a heart attack several years ago. Everyone else is fine because most are self employed and would be gaming themselves if they faked symptoms and stayed home. Thought you knew.
Point is, he's concerned about long term impacts of the vaccinate but isn't concerned about long term impacts of covid. Anyone in this boat isn't thinking logically and politics are influencing their judgement.
People that aren't worried about either, I can see why.
People worried about both, I can see why.
People worried about long term effects of covid but not the vaccine, I can see why.
People concerned about long term effects of the vaccinate but not covid, aren't judging things objectively.
You are a piece of work. You state in a prior thread there is so much about Covid we don't know, yet you boldly proclaim after a year+ people are definitely suffering from long haul symptoms, exactly what the MSM wants everyone to believe.I'm sure there are people gaming the system, that has nothing to do with what I wrote or the conversation Druff and I are having. There are people having long term impacts from covid, there's undeniable evidence of it. You and I both know people personally.
Point is, he's concerned about long term impacts of the vaccinate but isn't concerned about long term impacts of covid. Anyone in this boat isn't thinking logically and politics are influencing their judgement.
People that aren't worried about either, I can see why.
People worried about both, I can see why.
People worried about long term effects of covid but not the vaccine, I can see why.
People concerned about long term effects of the vaccinate but not covid, aren't judging things objectively.
Outside of the anecdotal triathlete who got Covid and now walks with a cane, virtually all 'long haulers' under the age of 65 had it coming. They are either very overweight, or terribly unhealthy, or in some cases just unlucky. I mean the adult diabetic with a 300 score is blaming Covid for his condition, and CNN is using this as an example. You are going to get plenty of long haulers develop over the next couple years, and just about all of them will be faking to some degree. It's just human nature in this country. I have one extended family member who we all know has been faking lupus conditions for over a year milking LTD and while nobody can prove it, he is, and I guarantee Covid is next on his list. Stop it with 'the science', there is no science with extreme Covid fatigue, all you do is say you cant get out of bed and you get the week off.
So your point is that people with long term covid impacts had it coming? Ok, interesting perspective. Doesn't change the fact that it exists. We have zero evidence of the vaccine doing long term damage. So objectively, if you were to worry about one which would it be?You are a piece of work. You state in a prior thread there is so much about Covid we don't know, yet you boldly proclaim after a year+ people are definitely suffering from long haul symptoms, exactly what the MSM wants everyone to believe.
Outside of the anecdotal triathlete who got Covid and now walks with a cane, virtually all 'long haulers' under the age of 65 had it coming. They are either very overweight, or terribly unhealthy, or in some cases just unlucky. I mean the adult diabetic with a 300 score is blaming Covid for his condition, and CNN is using this as an example. You are going to get plenty of long haulers develop over the next couple years, and just about all of them will be faking to some degree. It's just human nature in this country. I have one extended family member who we all know has been faking lupus conditions for over a year milking LTD and while nobody can prove it, he is, and I guarantee Covid is next on his list. Stop it with 'the science', there is no science with extreme Covid fatigue, all you do is say you cant get out of bed and you get the week off.
Btw, I'm in the not worried much about either boat.
Lets use a sample size of 100 people who are honest about long haul symptoms, which candidly would be impossible to sample since 80% are faking it to get off of work. But lets say 100% of the 100 'long haulers' are honest. Out of that 100, how many are healthy? I am thinking maybe 5, if that. Most are going to be obese or morbidly obese. The few that are not 5' 10" tall at 225lbs is going to be few and far between. There are always going to be those that have pre-existing conditions, but that is life.So your point is that people with long term covid impacts had it coming? Ok, interesting perspective. Doesn't change the fact that it exists. We have zero evidence of the vaccine doing long term damage. So objectively, if you were to worry about one which would it be?
Btw, I'm in the not worried much about either boat.
The issue is these long haul studies are going to take years to complete. You are going to find just about all of these long haulers are going to have one common denominator, they are going to fall in a very low social-economic stratus, the successful will generally always avoid the long haul status because it does not really exist and they don't need it.
Sounds like you're in the same boat as I am, not really concerned about the long term impacts of the vaccine or covid. I already told you this is reasonable.Lets use a sample size of 100 people who are honest about long haul symptoms, which candidly would be impossible to sample since 80% are faking it to get off of work. But lets say 100% of the 100 'long haulers' are honest. Out of that 100, how many are healthy? I am thinking maybe 5, if that. Most are going to be obese or morbidly obese. The few that are not 5' 10" tall at 225lbs is going to be few and far between. There are always going to be those that have pre-existing conditions, but that is life.
The issue is these long haul studies are going to take years to complete. You are going to find just about all of these long haulers are going to have one common denominator, they are going to fall in a very low social-economic stratus, the successful will generally always avoid the long haul status because it does not really exist and they don't need it.
Druff on the other hand is in here daily talking about how we don't know the long term impacts of the vaccine but never has shown concern about the long term impacts of covid. People in this boat aren't thinking logically.
todge has barely left the house in the past 2 years and has had 3 vaccines already, safe to say he is very concerned about the short term and long term impacts of covid
obv we dont know the long term effects of either covid or the vaccine cos we arent anywhere near the long term yet
he's been bitching and moaning and hypochondriacing about "long term covid affects" for his age group since this shit popped off and he webmd'd symptoms you stupid faggotSo why aren't you ever on here telling us you're concerned about the long term sides effects of covid? Those actually have been proven so it's far more logical to think there's even more long term sides effects that we still aren't aware of.
That's one of the things that frustrates me the most in these conversations. The anti vaxers want to talk about possible long term effects of the vaccine and only care about deaths for covid. If you're completely looking at things objectively, death should be the focus of both or long term effects should be the focus of both.
When it comes to science, you really believe parents that know absolutely nothing about science should be deciding what's proven? In most fields there are standards created by experts.
I happen to work in the engineering field. When a bridge is built, it's designed by professional engineers, following standards created by other professional engineers, peer reviewed by other professional engineers, built by experienced contractors following the plans, managed by construction managers. When the bridge is done being built it's safe and effective when these people say it is. Imagine if millions of people were like, we're not gonna use that bridge for 20 years until it's been proven. It's proven to be safe because people that know more than you or I said it's safe. It would be pretty fuckin stupid to have random citizens decide when a bridge is safe.
How would there ever be advances in any modern medicine if everyone took you stance? How would anything ever be "proven"?
the vaccine is rushed, and kids don't need to take it or wear masks get over it you dumb fucking electronic bicycle riding rube
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