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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
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    You answered your own question. They are transmitting. Remember that random outlier study about kids cov2 outbreak at camp and all the secondary transmissions that took place once those kids got home? That's just one out of dozens.

    You asked why we aren't seeing sick kids. We're. That's why it's posted. Most of media got bored with the same story with different kids after the first month.

    In similar circumstances the death rate of flu is laughable when compared to cov2. To get your amazing 500 kids dying in "normal" flu year you have to take one of the worst flu seasons in decades and then adjust it. Then you need to take cov2 deaths unadjusted in the middle of a pandemic. For comparison the Swine flu estimates 10xed in about a decade.

    Here's the last flu season...

    "For pediatric deaths, CDC received one report of a pediatric flu death in a child during the 2020–2021 flu season. Since flu deaths in children became nationally notifiable in 2004, reported flu deaths in children had previously ranged from a low of 37 (during 2011-2012) to a high of 199 (during 2019-2020)."

    ...kids weren't that lucky with cov2. The same country, same measures and same time frame.
    The CDC itself says that the flu numbers are undercounted. I'm not doing the "adjusting" -- they are. In the last full flu season before COVID, the assumed actual flu death numbers are actually greater than COVID's deaths in any 12-month period of the disease.

    But let's say for argument's sake that COVID is thrice as deadly as the flu for kids. It's not, but let's say it is.

    So what? You didn't see any arguments for mandatory masking during the bad 2018-19 flu season. So why now? Because adults are dying from it at much higher rates than the flu?

    Your camp study was idiotic. First off, it was an outlier. They weren't studying every camp in the country -- they were studying one particular camp where COVID hit unusually hard. Furthermore, there was no evidence that the outbreak didn't come from one or more of the adults. That's the problem with outliers -- you can't draw conclusions from them.

    You know what we can draw conclusions from?

    75 million kids in school for 8 weeks during the most contagious version of COVID yet. You can't come up with any evidence of school transmission. This should be incredibly easy to prove, given the very large sample size, and the high contagiousness of COVID. We simply aren't seeing it.

    You can dance around this with your outlier summer camp stories, but that's a fact which simply can't be avoided. Kids catching COVID is not the same as kids transmitting COVID. Every time I state kids aren't transmitting COVID at any concerning rate, you link a bunch of unrelated stories about kids in hospitals and kids getting COVID at a higher rate than before.
    And the secondary infections from the kids with covid? 20% of those households were just really unlucky on that week, right?

    I've already proved school transmission several times few weeks ago. I'm not gonna keep doing it again and again. All i had to do was look at 3 semirandom states for school outbreaks/closures. Took about 3 mins. Today i did it for Texas. A whole minute.

    You like to keep parroting that 75 million number like it means something. You do realize that kids are currently overrepresented in new cases. It's almost impossible that they just keep getting infected by adults but not other kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
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    No. Just no. Feel free to provide almost any data to support that.

    More articles you don't bother to read so you can keep your precious retarded opinions...

    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-pers...-exponentially

    ...it appears no one that actually spends any time at looking at the numbers shares your opinion.

    "At least 45 small school districts across the state have been forced to temporarily stop offering in-person classes because of COVID-19 cases during the first few weeks of school, the Texas Tribune reports. The closures affect at least 40,000 students.

    "From Aug. 23-29, there were 27,353 new positive COVID-19 cases among students in Texas public schools, according to the Texas Department of State Health Services, making it the biggest one-week increase in the entire pandemic," the Texas Tribune wrote."

    That's just Texas. Surely it's just a coincidence.
    You should move to the US and work for the Democratic Party or the media. They need some good statistcal manipulators.

    Let's see... August 23-29 in Texas. Why did you pick that? Oh wait... didn't Texas have a reallllllllly bad problem with community transmission of COVID in August? What a coincidence. No chance those kids got it from the many many parents who had COVID during that really bad week, right? Had to be in the schools because.... um.... gimmick from Finland said so?

    Again, the presence of kids with COVID in the schools does not mean the kids caught COVID in the schools. Kids have exposure to parents. Kids have exposure to other adults outside of school. If community transmission is high, a lot of kids will have COVID, just like a lot of adults will have COVID.

    That doesn't mean they're transmitting it.

    You can separate community transmission cases from school cases by monitoring the classrooms, and studying the pattern of infection. If a class with one verified COVID infection leads to a lot of additional COVID infections shortly thereafter, while classes with zero verified COVID infections stay uninfected at the same time, then that would appear to be an in-school transmission. If COVID seems to be relatively evenly spread throughout the classes -- or if there are just one-off cases here and there, with zero other students in the class getting sick (which has been the case in Ben's school this year), then it's highly unlikely to be transmitting in the classroom.

    Or, for the people who aren't interested in this statistical discussion, they can simply look and notice that colds will spread quickly in a classroom to other kids, whereas COVID cases don't seem to be doing it -- anywhere.

    Now, there are still complicating factors, such as the teacher bringing COVID into the classroom and infecting the kids. That could be mistaken as kid-to-kid transmission. Fortunately, we have a giant pool of 75 million kids to study, and so far we are seeing no evidence of a problem COVID transmission in the schools. Not only aren't we seeing such evidence, but the complete lack of such evidence (and the fact that the left is chomping at the bit to jump on such a thing) is itself very strong evidence that it's NOT happening.

    Nice try, though.
    You missed that, "Feel free to provide almost any data to support that" part.

    I was really sneaky when i mentioned how i found those 3 articles about school outbreaks few weeks ago. Something like looking at the covid case map for states and typing the top ones in google.

    That's how exponential growth works. There's nothing strange about that. You're the dumbass that still keeps saying masks don't work because Norway didn't use them when they had very few community outbreaks in most of the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
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    Sure, i understand what you're trying to say. It's just retarded. It's not apples to oranges. It's a slice of an apple compared to an orange.

    You asked why we didn't see similar measures for Swine flu that ended with 12k dead vs an on going pandemic with 700k dead running. Maybe try comparing those two numbers and see if you can come up with a theory.

    There's literally no good reason for choosing a random slice off total death tally.

    This was the retarded bit i bolded, "the overall population danger from the 2009 Swine Flu was higher than COVID danger for kids. Why weren't we all masking for that". How about we compare the overall population danger to overall population danger?
    Because the COVID danger to kids differs by orders of magnitude from the COVID danger to adults -- even young adults.

    If COVID hit everyone like it hits kids, it would be a non-story. Nobody would be masking, nobody would be panicking, and any vaccine would be still in slow development. COVID is treated as a huge deal because of the adults it kills (99% being over age 35), and the high rate of which it's doing so compared to other modern viruses.

    We are discussing kids here, and whether they should be masking in school.

    I am stating that they are facing less danger from COVID than I was facing from the Swine Flu in 2009. However, nobody suggested I mask or social distance in order to avoid the Swine Flu back then.

    We don't need to compare overall populations because we aren't discussing overall populations. I'm showing how idiotic the left is acting regarding COVID's danger to kids, and how it is way out of proportion compared to how we treated other viruses in recent times.

    The problem is that you and the rest of the left feels pot committed to the masking argument, and you can't concede anything at this point. The right has been saying for over 18 months that masking little kids is retarded, and the left has been screaming about how it's essential for their safety. If the left concedes that kids aren't transmitting (and are almost all fine after getting COVID), then they will look like the anti-scientific fools they are, and the term "hypocrite" will be thrown around pretty loosely.

    So the play is to keep everyone in panic mode about the kids, even though we're 8 weeks into the school year and we aren't seeing even a shred of evidence that it's spreading in the classroom.

    SCIENCE!!!!
    Yea this has to do with kids infecting adults. Mostly their grandparents. I went through this weeks ago.

    Not only are we seeing evidence that kids starting school again has caused increased infections, we're also seeing evidence that it's hindered by mask mandates. 8 weeks is nothing. When it comes to data collection and analysis US is slightly better than most 3rd world shitholes. Who knew that literal thousands of different practices could cause issues with basic 1st world shit.

    Get back to me when you have any evidence to back any of your nonsense claims. At this point i'll take a handwritten note from your mom.

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    A family in Florida is heartbroken and shocked after a fully vaccinated 58-year-old man with no comorbid conditions died of COVID-19.

    "He was beautiful, handsome, strong, healthy, kindhearted guy who was loved by so many people,” Jamie Konidare recalled of her husband Vincent Konidare.

    Vincent Konidare was a proud father and husband who loved riding his motorcycle, being near the ocean and going on vacations with his family. Jamie and Vincent met in 1985 at the Palm Beach Post, where he worked for 36 years. Now, Vincent’s family is questioning how a man with no preexisting conditions and was fully vaccinated could die from the coronavirus.

    "He did what he was supposed to do. He did what he was told to do. He was trying to protect his family and he just felt it was the right thing to do and he felt that if he did get COVID he would not die, that it would save him,” said Jamie Konidare.

    The Centers for Disease Control reports that as of Oct. 4, out of the more than 185,000,000 fully vaccinated Americans, 6,617 people have died from COVID-19. That amounts to one out of every 25,000 fully vaccinated Americans dying from the virus. None of the companies that created the COVID-19 vaccine have ever claimed to be completely effective at preventing death from COVID-19.

    Jamie Konidare now has the following message to everyone in the community, regardless of their vaccination status:

    “I would tell that person to go ahead and get vaccinated, because I still feel like it’s the right thing to do, but to not let down your guard. You still need to wear your mask. You still need to stay away from super spreader events and follow all the other guidelines because it’s not a guarantee that you will not get sick,” Konidare said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by splitthis View Post
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    So much for the Republicans believing in private property rights.
    No business should have control over people. Can’t wait until you libs finish imploding.
    They why doesn’t the bakery have to bake a gay wedding cake?

    You don’t have a right to live a life free of consequences and expect everyone else to accommodate your craziness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by splitthis View Post
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    So much for the Republicans believing in private property rights.
    No business should have control over people. Can’t wait until you libs finish imploding.
    Lol. Businesses have controlled people since the Industrial Revolution. The GOP telling private businesses what is good for them? That is socialism, plain and simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayjami View Post
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    No business should have control over people. Can’t wait until you libs finish imploding.
    Lol. Businesses have controlled people since the Industrial Revolution. The GOP telling private businesses what is good for them? That is socialism, plain and simple.
    none of it has been an overstep in your opinion? There is no line in the sand to be drawn when it comes to how far government or business can go to get you to comply with them? You're not concerned about that at all? I think Druff recently said you were an attorney? As an attorney you don't think there is a case to be made that any measure taken has been an infringement? I'm genuinely curious how all the cases are going to play out in the courts and would value your views.

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    Quote Originally Posted by country978 View Post
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    Lol. Businesses have controlled people since the Industrial Revolution. The GOP telling private businesses what is good for them? That is socialism, plain and simple.
    none of it has been an overstep in your opinion? There is no line in the sand to be drawn when it comes to how far government or business can go to get you to comply with them? You're not concerned about that at all? I think Druff recently said you were an attorney? As an attorney you don't think there is a case to be made that any measure taken has been an infringement? I'm genuinely curious how all the cases are going to play out in the courts and would value your views.
    If it’s overstep in your opinion you don’t have to patronize those businesses.

    The Republicans made this bed and now they can lay in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
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    none of it has been an overstep in your opinion? There is no line in the sand to be drawn when it comes to how far government or business can go to get you to comply with them? You're not concerned about that at all? I think Druff recently said you were an attorney? As an attorney you don't think there is a case to be made that any measure taken has been an infringement? I'm genuinely curious how all the cases are going to play out in the courts and would value your views.
    If it’s overstep in your opinion you don’t have to patronize those businesses.

    The Republicans made this bed and now they can lay in it.
    I'm not saying it is or isn't. I'm just asking someone who's point of view I would like to know. Can some of the actions taken or actions proposed to be taken in response to covid be considered as overstep by the state or is it all constitutional and just? I don't know the answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by country978 View Post
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    Lol. Businesses have controlled people since the Industrial Revolution. The GOP telling private businesses what is good for them? That is socialism, plain and simple.
    none of it has been an overstep in your opinion? There is no line in the sand to be drawn when it comes to how far government or business can go to get you to comply with them? You're not concerned about that at all? I think Druff recently said you were an attorney? As an attorney you don't think there is a case to be made that any measure taken has been an infringement? I'm genuinely curious how all the cases are going to play out in the courts and would value your views.
    businesses can do what they please my problem is the government forcing their hand with osha and other fake ass health departments. that's the problem, if a business wants to enforce vaccine passports, they can go bankrupt all they want it's their decision, the government should stay out of it

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwai View Post
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    none of it has been an overstep in your opinion? There is no line in the sand to be drawn when it comes to how far government or business can go to get you to comply with them? You're not concerned about that at all? I think Druff recently said you were an attorney? As an attorney you don't think there is a case to be made that any measure taken has been an infringement? I'm genuinely curious how all the cases are going to play out in the courts and would value your views.
    businesses can do what they please my problem is the government forcing their hand with osha and other fake ass health departments. that's the problem, if a business wants to enforce vaccine passports, they can go bankrupt all they want it's their decision, the government should stay out of it
    Businesses that enforce passports will go broke as quickly as all the younger anti vaxers will die of covid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by country978 View Post
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    If it’s overstep in your opinion you don’t have to patronize those businesses.

    The Republicans made this bed and now they can lay in it.
    I'm not saying it is or isn't. I'm just asking someone who's point of view I would like to know. Can some of the actions taken or actions proposed to be taken in response to covid be considered as overstep by the state or is it all constitutional and just? I don't know the answer.
    If it’s a private business doing it the state hasn’t overstepped or stepped at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by country978 View Post
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    Lol. Businesses have controlled people since the Industrial Revolution. The GOP telling private businesses what is good for them? That is socialism, plain and simple.
    none of it has been an overstep in your opinion? There is no line in the sand to be drawn when it comes to how far government or business can go to get you to comply with them? You're not concerned about that at all? I think Druff recently said you were an attorney? As an attorney you don't think there is a case to be made that any measure taken has been an infringement? I'm genuinely curious how all the cases are going to play out in the courts and would value your views.
    It isn’t going anywhere in court. This is about the governor of Texas scoring points with team retard. He’s not going to actually enforce it. American Airlines already told him to go fuck himself. They are a huge employer in Dallas.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
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    I'm not saying it is or isn't. I'm just asking someone who's point of view I would like to know. Can some of the actions taken or actions proposed to be taken in response to covid be considered as overstep by the state or is it all constitutional and just? I don't know the answer.
    If it’s a private business doing it the state hasn’t overstepped or stepped at all.
    Not exactly. Some private businesses are being forced to do it if they have contracts with Federal and (a few Blue) state governments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cerveza Fria View Post
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    If it’s a private business doing it the state hasn’t overstepped or stepped at all.
    Not exactly. Some private businesses are being forced to do it if they have contracts with Federal and (a few Blue) state governments.
    How is that different than when the federal government compelled a universal drinking age of 21? Private business would have preferred it to stay at 18 or 19 at various points. The feds threatened to cut off highway money and other things.

    Obviously they compelled states on speed limits and such also, but that didn’t really hit private business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cerveza Fria View Post
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    If it’s a private business doing it the state hasn’t overstepped or stepped at all.
    Not exactly. Some private businesses are being forced to do it if they have contracts with Federal and (a few Blue) state governments.
    They don’t have to take those contracts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by country978 View Post

    I'm not saying it is or isn't. I'm just asking someone who's point of view I would like to know. Can some of the actions taken or actions proposed to be taken in response to covid be considered as overstep by the state or is it all constitutional and just? I don't know the answer.
    If it’s a private business doing it the state hasn’t overstepped or stepped at all.
    100% Bullshit.

    "The StATE HasN'T OVerStEPPED, BuT WhaT AbOUt MUy PrOpErTY RiGHts"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
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    Not exactly. Some private businesses are being forced to do it if they have contracts with Federal and (a few Blue) state governments.
    They don’t have to take those contracts.

    That might be the dumbest thing you ever posted on this forum. For many businesses, those contracts are their entire business. That's the equivalent of saying "you don't have to breathe the air." SMH.
    Last edited by Cerveza Fria; 10-12-2021 at 12:42 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
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    Not exactly. Some private businesses are being forced to do it if they have contracts with Federal and (a few Blue) state governments.
    How is that different than when the federal government compelled a universal drinking age of 21? Private business would have preferred it to stay at 18 or 19 at various points. The feds threatened to cut off highway money and other things.

    Obviously they compelled states on speed limits and such also, but that didn’t really hit private business.
    The federal government has broad powers under the Commerce Clause. They can pretty much do what they want. As long as there is a some rational basis for the law and it remotely affects interstate commerce, the courts won’t even inquire as to the legislature’s actual intent. All of the Civil Rights legislation was upheld thereunder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simpdog View Post
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    businesses can do what they please my problem is the government forcing their hand with osha and other fake ass health departments. that's the problem, if a business wants to enforce vaccine passports, they can go bankrupt all they want it's their decision, the government should stay out of it
    Businesses that enforce passports will go broke as quickly as all the younger anti vaxers will die of covid.
    worry about your tyrant pm Trudeau and stop worrying about the United States fag

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