false, it's less deadly than original covid which is a bullshit fluOriginally Posted by gimmick
Delta isn't more contagious than flu. It's deadlier though. Somehow i got the impression that was the discussion. You must have just mentioned more kids dying to flu for no reason.
cdc shill faggot
^Some tard posted this few days ago. Is that enough evidence of kids getting infected?
We're well past the "where are the outbreaks" retardation, when quarter of new cases are from kids. The above article is obv about the period before Delta was the dominant strain.
So 2 months ago...
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/chi...er-2021-08-14/
...you were already breaking records with kids hospitalizations. Nowhere to be seen. Absolutely no one is reporting anything about this.
Props to Kyrie Irving refusing to get shots
2020 schools close down, and few cases of kids with Covid.^Some tard posted this few days ago. Is that enough evidence of kids getting infected?
We're well past the "where are the outbreaks" retardation, when quarter of new cases are from kids. The above article is obv about the period before Delta was the dominant strain.
2021 schools open back up, lots of kids getting Covid.
But, where is the evidence that kids are spreading Covid at school?
Also missed the part where we added common cold to the random list of things that are not cov2. I'm sure that's significant considering how common cold kills barely any school aged kids. Also spread by other coronaviruses, if that helps.
Are you just trying to out do yourself with stupid statements?I'm not understanding your point here. So?
This is very rare when it does happen. Even when it has, nobody was being forced to wear masks -- not even during the unusually bad 2018-19 flu season.
You are emotionally connecting adult COVID danger to pediatric COVID danger, and they simply aren't comparable in any way. Why does the left/media throw scientific evidence and data out the window when it comes to COVID for kids?
BTW, as I've mentioned before, the overall population danger from the 2009 Swine Flu was higher than COVID danger for kids. Why weren't we all masking for that?
Is "the overall population danger" similar with cov2 and Swine flu, or you know like 20-40x by safe estimates? Wonder why the response isn't similar.
The entire Swine flu lab confirmed cases was around 500k. You racked that much cov2 cases in the last week and you're currently trending down.
So much for the Republicans believing in private property rights.
this is true everywhere, just democrat governors want to fall in line with the party
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It turned out many of these "hospitalizations" were not related to COVID -- just kids with other issues who happened to have COVID.
Why post this? I have argued repeatedly that kids are not transmitting much, and I am challenging you to show otherwise by presenting evidence that many schools are having big COVID outbreaks (similar to flu and cold outbreaks we see every year). It's just not happening.
Furthermore, despite the "record hospitalizations" nonsense, the death rate for kids has remained extremely low (comparable to flu), nor are we seeing many bad non-death outcomes.
Keep twisting the facts though.
So why do we need mandatory cloth masks again? I thought that's to prevent transmission. If kids aren't transmitting... why are they doing it? To make lefties like you feel good?
Let's try this again.Are you just trying to out do yourself with stupid statements?
Is "the overall population danger" similar with cov2 and Swine flu, or you know like 20-40x by safe estimates? Wonder why the response isn't similar.
The entire Swine flu lab confirmed cases was around 500k. You racked that much cov2 cases in the last week and you're currently trending down.
"The overall population danger from the 2009 Swine Flu was higher than COVID danger for kids"
That means:
Danger to overall poulation from Swine Flu was GREATER than the overall COVID danger to kids.
There were 12,000 Swine Flu deaths in the US.
There have been about 500 pediatric COVID deaths in the US.
Both were over a similar time period.
Kids make up 23% of US poulation.
Show me how COVID is more dangerous to kids than Swine Flu was to general pop in 2009-10. I'm waiting for some Fuzzy Finland Math to answer this one.
Absolutely false. Kids were getting COVID at a higher rate BEFORE schools opened back up in 2021.2020 schools close down, and few cases of kids with Covid.
2021 schools open back up, lots of kids getting Covid.
But, where is the evidence that kids are spreading Covid at school?
July-August pediatric COVID rate was higher than September COVID rate (and October so far, pro-rated).
You can't compare 2020 and 2021 because Delta is far more contagious. You can compare months involving Delta, and kids aren't getting it at a higher rate in school. In fact, it's a good deal lower.
Why? Because they are catching it from adults in the community in the summer, and in school they aren't catching it because other kids aren't transmitting.
Nice try though.
So what sample size do we need?
75 million kids isn't enough?
Still waiting for any evidence that COVID outbreaks are happening widely in US schools.
They've been in session for 8 weeks during Delta. Where are the school outbreaks?
LOL at all the lefties (and nightmarefish, for some reason) dancing around this obvious hole in their logic.
No business should have control over people. Can’t wait until you libs finish imploding.So much for the Republicans believing in private property rights.
this is true everywhere, just democrat governors want to fall in line with the party
suck it religious vaccine n-word faggots
Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same.
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When I see someone wearing a mask, I see faceless expressionless drones. How anyone cannot see how damaging this is to children is sick.
Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same.
Ronald Reagan
You answered your own question. They are transmitting. Remember that random outlier study about kids cov2 outbreak at camp and all the secondary transmissions that took place once those kids got home? That's just one out of dozens.It turned out many of these "hospitalizations" were not related to COVID -- just kids with other issues who happened to have COVID.
Why post this? I have argued repeatedly that kids are not transmitting much, and I am challenging you to show otherwise by presenting evidence that many schools are having big COVID outbreaks (similar to flu and cold outbreaks we see every year). It's just not happening.
Furthermore, despite the "record hospitalizations" nonsense, the death rate for kids has remained extremely low (comparable to flu), nor are we seeing many bad non-death outcomes.
Keep twisting the facts though.
So why do we need mandatory cloth masks again? I thought that's to prevent transmission. If kids aren't transmitting... why are they doing it? To make lefties like you feel good?
You asked why we aren't seeing sick kids. We're. That's why it's posted. Most of media got bored with the same story with different kids after the first month.
In similar circumstances the death rate of flu is laughable when compared to cov2. To get your amazing 500 kids dying in "normal" flu year you have to take one of the worst flu seasons in decades and then adjust it. Then you need to take cov2 deaths unadjusted in the middle of a pandemic. For comparison the Swine flu estimates 10xed in about a decade.
Here's the last flu season...
"For pediatric deaths, CDC received one report of a pediatric flu death in a child during the 2020–2021 flu season. Since flu deaths in children became nationally notifiable in 2004, reported flu deaths in children had previously ranged from a low of 37 (during 2011-2012) to a high of 199 (during 2019-2020)."
...kids weren't that lucky with cov2. The same country, same measures and same time frame.
No. Just no. Feel free to provide almost any data to support that.Absolutely false. Kids were getting COVID at a higher rate BEFORE schools opened back up in 2021.
July-August pediatric COVID rate was higher than September COVID rate (and October so far, pro-rated).
You can't compare 2020 and 2021 because Delta is far more contagious. You can compare months involving Delta, and kids aren't getting it at a higher rate in school. In fact, it's a good deal lower.
Why? Because they are catching it from adults in the community in the summer, and in school they aren't catching it because other kids aren't transmitting.
Nice try though.
More articles you don't bother to read so you can keep your precious retarded opinions...
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-pers...-exponentially
...it appears no one that actually spends any time at looking at the numbers shares your opinion.
"At least 45 small school districts across the state have been forced to temporarily stop offering in-person classes because of COVID-19 cases during the first few weeks of school, the Texas Tribune reports. The closures affect at least 40,000 students.
"From Aug. 23-29, there were 27,353 new positive COVID-19 cases among students in Texas public schools, according to the Texas Department of State Health Services, making it the biggest one-week increase in the entire pandemic," the Texas Tribune wrote."
That's just Texas. Surely it's just a coincidence.
Sure, i understand what you're trying to say. It's just retarded. It's not apples to oranges. It's a slice of an apple compared to an orange.Let's try this again.
"The overall population danger from the 2009 Swine Flu was higher than COVID danger for kids"
That means:
Danger to overall poulation from Swine Flu was GREATER than the overall COVID danger to kids.
There were 12,000 Swine Flu deaths in the US.
There have been about 500 pediatric COVID deaths in the US.
Both were over a similar time period.
Kids make up 23% of US poulation.
Show me how COVID is more dangerous to kids than Swine Flu was to general pop in 2009-10. I'm waiting for some Fuzzy Finland Math to answer this one.
You asked why we didn't see similar measures for Swine flu that ended with 12k dead vs an on going pandemic with 700k dead running. Maybe try comparing those two numbers and see if you can come up with a theory.
There's literally no good reason for choosing a random slice off total death tally.
This was the retarded bit i bolded, "the overall population danger from the 2009 Swine Flu was higher than COVID danger for kids. Why weren't we all masking for that". How about we compare the overall population danger to overall population danger?
The CDC itself says that the flu numbers are undercounted. I'm not doing the "adjusting" -- they are. In the last full flu season before COVID, the assumed actual flu death numbers are actually greater than COVID's deaths in any 12-month period of the disease.You answered your own question. They are transmitting. Remember that random outlier study about kids cov2 outbreak at camp and all the secondary transmissions that took place once those kids got home? That's just one out of dozens.
You asked why we aren't seeing sick kids. We're. That's why it's posted. Most of media got bored with the same story with different kids after the first month.
In similar circumstances the death rate of flu is laughable when compared to cov2. To get your amazing 500 kids dying in "normal" flu year you have to take one of the worst flu seasons in decades and then adjust it. Then you need to take cov2 deaths unadjusted in the middle of a pandemic. For comparison the Swine flu estimates 10xed in about a decade.
Here's the last flu season...
"For pediatric deaths, CDC received one report of a pediatric flu death in a child during the 2020–2021 flu season. Since flu deaths in children became nationally notifiable in 2004, reported flu deaths in children had previously ranged from a low of 37 (during 2011-2012) to a high of 199 (during 2019-2020)."
...kids weren't that lucky with cov2. The same country, same measures and same time frame.
But let's say for argument's sake that COVID is thrice as deadly as the flu for kids. It's not, but let's say it is.
So what? You didn't see any arguments for mandatory masking during the bad 2018-19 flu season. So why now? Because adults are dying from it at much higher rates than the flu?
Your camp study was idiotic. First off, it was an outlier. They weren't studying every camp in the country -- they were studying one particular camp where COVID hit unusually hard. Furthermore, there was no evidence that the outbreak didn't come from one or more of the adults. That's the problem with outliers -- you can't draw conclusions from them.
You know what we can draw conclusions from?
75 million kids in school for 8 weeks during the most contagious version of COVID yet. You can't come up with any evidence of school transmission. This should be incredibly easy to prove, given the very large sample size, and the high contagiousness of COVID. We simply aren't seeing it.
You can dance around this with your outlier summer camp stories, but that's a fact which simply can't be avoided. Kids catching COVID is not the same as kids transmitting COVID. Every time I state kids aren't transmitting COVID at any concerning rate, you link a bunch of unrelated stories about kids in hospitals and kids getting COVID at a higher rate than before.
You should move to the US and work for the Democratic Party or the media. They need some good statistcal manipulators.No. Just no. Feel free to provide almost any data to support that.
More articles you don't bother to read so you can keep your precious retarded opinions...
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-pers...-exponentially
...it appears no one that actually spends any time at looking at the numbers shares your opinion.
"At least 45 small school districts across the state have been forced to temporarily stop offering in-person classes because of COVID-19 cases during the first few weeks of school, the Texas Tribune reports. The closures affect at least 40,000 students.
"From Aug. 23-29, there were 27,353 new positive COVID-19 cases among students in Texas public schools, according to the Texas Department of State Health Services, making it the biggest one-week increase in the entire pandemic," the Texas Tribune wrote."
That's just Texas. Surely it's just a coincidence.
Let's see... August 23-29 in Texas. Why did you pick that? Oh wait... didn't Texas have a reallllllllly bad problem with community transmission of COVID in August? What a coincidence. No chance those kids got it from the many many parents who had COVID during that really bad week, right? Had to be in the schools because.... um.... gimmick from Finland said so?
Again, the presence of kids with COVID in the schools does not mean the kids caught COVID in the schools. Kids have exposure to parents. Kids have exposure to other adults outside of school. If community transmission is high, a lot of kids will have COVID, just like a lot of adults will have COVID.
That doesn't mean they're transmitting it.
You can separate community transmission cases from school cases by monitoring the classrooms, and studying the pattern of infection. If a class with one verified COVID infection leads to a lot of additional COVID infections shortly thereafter, while classes with zero verified COVID infections stay uninfected at the same time, then that would appear to be an in-school transmission. If COVID seems to be relatively evenly spread throughout the classes -- or if there are just one-off cases here and there, with zero other students in the class getting sick (which has been the case in Ben's school this year), then it's highly unlikely to be transmitting in the classroom.
Or, for the people who aren't interested in this statistical discussion, they can simply look and notice that colds will spread quickly in a classroom to other kids, whereas COVID cases don't seem to be doing it -- anywhere.
Now, there are still complicating factors, such as the teacher bringing COVID into the classroom and infecting the kids. That could be mistaken as kid-to-kid transmission. Fortunately, we have a giant pool of 75 million kids to study, and so far we are seeing no evidence of a problem COVID transmission in the schools. Not only aren't we seeing such evidence, but the complete lack of such evidence (and the fact that the left is chomping at the bit to jump on such a thing) is itself very strong evidence that it's NOT happening.
Nice try, though.
Because the COVID danger to kids differs by orders of magnitude from the COVID danger to adults -- even young adults.Sure, i understand what you're trying to say. It's just retarded. It's not apples to oranges. It's a slice of an apple compared to an orange.
You asked why we didn't see similar measures for Swine flu that ended with 12k dead vs an on going pandemic with 700k dead running. Maybe try comparing those two numbers and see if you can come up with a theory.
There's literally no good reason for choosing a random slice off total death tally.
This was the retarded bit i bolded, "the overall population danger from the 2009 Swine Flu was higher than COVID danger for kids. Why weren't we all masking for that". How about we compare the overall population danger to overall population danger?
If COVID hit everyone like it hits kids, it would be a non-story. Nobody would be masking, nobody would be panicking, and any vaccine would be still in slow development. COVID is treated as a huge deal because of the adults it kills (99% being over age 35), and the high rate of which it's doing so compared to other modern viruses.
We are discussing kids here, and whether they should be masking in school.
I am stating that they are facing less danger from COVID than I was facing from the Swine Flu in 2009. However, nobody suggested I mask or social distance in order to avoid the Swine Flu back then.
We don't need to compare overall populations because we aren't discussing overall populations. I'm showing how idiotic the left is acting regarding COVID's danger to kids, and how it is way out of proportion compared to how we treated other viruses in recent times.
The problem is that you and the rest of the left feels pot committed to the masking argument, and you can't concede anything at this point. The right has been saying for over 18 months that masking little kids is retarded, and the left has been screaming about how it's essential for their safety. If the left concedes that kids aren't transmitting (and are almost all fine after getting COVID), then they will look like the anti-scientific fools they are, and the term "hypocrite" will be thrown around pretty loosely.
So the play is to keep everyone in panic mode about the kids, even though we're 8 weeks into the school year and we aren't seeing even a shred of evidence that it's spreading in the classroom.
SCIENCE!!!!
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