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    Our inept response to the Covid pandemic only served to hint at our likely ineptness in facing any other national crisis.

    The ransom-ware problem is so so surprising, eh? This is a cupcake from amateurs. More is to come.

    I wrote last year about the likelihood of a power grid outage in the Northeast and the clusterfuck response I would expect.

    Nuclear will also be fun. We failed once so we have a track record now. To think we face no risk is idiotic

    Sorry to derail. I’m done.

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    cue the tilted librards in 3....2...1...





    this is what a successful governor looks like

     
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    gimmick is the king of manipualted stats and biased studies.

    No matter what point you raise, he comes back with a link to some kind of research study by (usually university-based) left wingers whose abstract language makes it clear they already made up their minds before the study began.

    If mask-compliant states and counties fared better with COVID, we would have been hearing it all throughout the 2020 election season, as well as afterwards. But notice that narrative is absent, even from the left-wing media. Why? Because the actual statistics don't support it.

    Red counties and red states resistant to masking did no worse overall than blue states, even adjusted for population density. If gimmick's babbling about masks were true, we should have seen mostly COVID-denying, anti-masking MAGAts afflicted with COIVD, while "responsible" masking left-wingers would have been virtually untouched.

    That's not what we saw. COVID had its regional ebbs and flows throughout 2020, but no policy stopped its spread. Lockdowns didn't stop it (because people got restless and started quietly congregating with one another), mask mandates didn't stop it (because of the false-sense-of-security issue), and 6-foot distancing didn't stop it. The left wanted to crow about The Science and how they knew exactly how to slow down COVID, but in reality their premises and strategies were flawed, and the results showed it.

    Right now the US is seeing 4% of new cases compared to early January. Why? The vaccine. That was the only way we were going to stop COVID in this country. Until then, the best policy would have been honesty with the American people, encouragement to spend time outdoors, careful protection of nursing homes, and an agreement between both sides to resist politicizing the matter.

    The left and media tried to manipualte the pubilc in order to beat Trump, and while that worked, it cost lives. It even cost lives on the right, as many fought back against the left's false narratives, and overcorrected, becoming COVID deniers.

    As we seem to be nearing the end of the US COVID nightmare, we can now look back and see how many areas where the left was incorrect, and take note of how many of their COVID heroes were actually full of shit and/or corrupt.

     
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    cue the tilted librards in 3....2...1...





    this is what a fucking stupid cunt looks like
    Over 2,000 people died of COVID-19 in South Dakota.

    That's like half the people in South Dakota.

    Do you think she gives a fuck?

     
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  5. #12805
    cases are going down cause as soon as Biden got into office they changed the definition of a positive test and lowered the cycle count on the bullshit PCR test


    also they lowered it even further for testing vaccinated people.


    it's the flu

     
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    I will agree with gimmick about one thing, though.

    Robert Redfield, Trump's 2018 appointee to the CDC, sucked.

    I'm not so much concerned about his 1980s AIDS controversies. Some of it seems to have been based upon legitimate wrongdoing, and some of it was based upon idiotic political controversy. However, this was decades old, and not really worth discussing in 2018.

    However, Redfield was ineffective and clueless. He stupidly believed social distancing would take care of COVID in the early months, and seemed to mostly check out of the job towards the end, letting extreme leftist scientists basically run the show.

    It was under Redfield's direction that "racial equity" was used to determine recommendations for vaccine order, which would put healthy 20-year-old grocery store workers in the same vaccine group as 100-year-olds. No other country did it this way, and even the bluest of blue states eventually abandoned or modified this suggested strategy. This occurred because Redfield delegated the tasks to extreme leftists working under him (ones who had been at the CDC prior to his arrival), and he didn't bother to vet any of it. Shameful. I had a hard time explaining to people how such nonsense could have come out of the CDC when a Trump appointee was in charge.

    The guy was incredibly weak, and the terrible CDC performance in 2020 is half his fault, and half the fault of the leftists who basically took charge while he checked out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    gimmick is the king of manipualted stats and biased studies.

    No matter what point you raise, he comes back with a link to some kind of research study by (usually university-based) left wingers whose abstract language makes it clear they already made up their minds before the study began.

    If mask-compliant states and counties fared better with COVID, we would have been hearing it all throughout the 2020 election season, as well as afterwards. But notice that narrative is absent, even from the left-wing media. Why? Because the actual statistics don't support it.

    Red counties and red states resistant to masking did no worse overall than blue states, even adjusted for population density. If gimmick's babbling about masks were true, we should have seen mostly COVID-denying, anti-masking MAGAts afflicted with COIVD, while "responsible" masking left-wingers would have been virtually untouched.

    That's not what we saw. COVID had its regional ebbs and flows throughout 2020, but no policy stopped its spread. Lockdowns didn't stop it (because people got restless and started quietly congregating with one another), mask mandates didn't stop it (because of the false-sense-of-security issue), and 6-foot distancing didn't stop it. The left wanted to crow about The Science and how they knew exactly how to slow down COVID, but in reality their premises and strategies were flawed, and the results showed it.

    Right now the US is seeing 4% of new cases compared to early January. Why? The vaccine. That was the only way we were going to stop COVID in this country. Until then, the best policy would have been honesty with the American people, encouragement to spend time outdoors, careful protection of nursing homes, and an agreement between both sides to resist politicizing the matter.

    The left and media tried to manipualte the pubilc in order to beat Trump, and while that worked, it cost lives. It even cost lives on the right, as many fought back against the left's false narratives, and overcorrected, becoming COVID deniers.

    As we seem to be nearing the end of the US COVID nightmare, we can now look back and see how many areas where the left was incorrect, and take note of how many of their COVID heroes were actually full of shit and/or corrupt.
    So a link to this study that shows masks are completely useless? You do realize when you make that claim it's your job to prove it.

    Since i was about 99% you wouldn't come up with shit i just skipped that part and let you play the there's no proof that masks work angle for a minute, because it takes even less time to find those studies.

    But hey it's nice to know you fully agree with Fauci. Remember that smoking gun about masks few pages ago that team retard was so sure would get Fauci fired and i assume locked up? Yea that email ended saying that money was best spent on diagnostics and vaccines. Redfield was the one overseeing the diagnostics part.

    The second email that proved Fauci knew virus was manmade. You remember the one that links to a public research paper and proves Fauci is aware of telephones? I have no idea what they talked about on the phone, but the research paper was the preliminary work used in the Moderna vaccine. Seems like i good idea to share that.

    edit. Moderna vaccine is of course co-devoloped by NIAID that is run by Fauci
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    Quote Originally Posted by gimmick View Post
    So a link to this study that shows masks are completely useless? You do realize when you make that claim it's your job to prove it.
    https://swprs.org/face-masks-evidence/

    A May 2020 meta-study on pandemic influenza published by the US CDC found that face masks had no effect, neither as personal protective equipment nor as a source control. [Source](https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article)

    A Danish randomized controlled trial with 6000 participants, published in the Annals of Internal Medicine in November 2020, found no statistically significant effect of high-quality medical face masks against SARS-CoV-2 infection in a community setting. [Source](https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817)

    A large randomized controlled trial with close to 8000 participants, published in October 2020 in PLOS One, found that face masks “did not seem to be effective against laboratory-confirmed viral respiratory infections nor against clinical respiratory infection.” [Source](https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0240287)

    A February 2021 review by the European CDC found no significant evidence supporting the effectiveness of non-medical and medical face masks in the community. Furthermore, the European CDC advised against the use of FFP2/N95 respirators by the general public. [Source](https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/sites/def...rst-update.pdf)

    A July 2020 review by the Oxford Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine found that there is no evidence for the effectiveness of cloth masks against virus infection or transmission. [Source](https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/maskin...with-politics/)

    A November 2020 Cochrane review found that face masks did not reduce influenza-like illness (ILI) cases, neither in the general population nor in health care workers. [Source](https://www.cochrane.org/CD006207/AR...ratory-viruses)

    An April 2020 review by two US professors in respiratory and infectious disease from the University of Illinois concluded that face masks have no effect in everyday life, neither as self-protection nor to protect third parties (so-called source control). [Source](https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-pers...sed-sound-data)

    An article in the New England Journal of Medicine from May 2020 came to the conclusion that cloth face masks offer little to no protection in everyday life. [Source](https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372)

    A 2015 study in the British Medical Journal BMJ Open found that cloth masks were **penetrated by 97% of particles and may increase infection risk by retaining moisture or repeated use.** [Source](https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577)

    An August 2020 review by a German professor in virology, epidemiology and hygiene found that there is no evidence for the effectiveness of cloth face masks and that the improper daily use of masks by the public may in fact lead to an increase in infections. [Source](https://www.thieme-connect.com/produ...55/a-1174-6591)



    The WHO admitted to the BBC that its June 2020 [mask policy update](https://swprs.org/who-mask-study-seriously-flawed/) was due not to new evidence but [“political lobbying”](https://archive.ph/YVJ0Y)**: “We had been told by various sources WHO committee reviewing the evidence had not backed masks but they recommended them due to political lobbying. This point was put to WHO who did not deny.” (D. Cohen, BBC Medical Corresponent).

    There is increasing evidence that the novel coronavirus is transmitted, at least in indoor settings, not only by droplets but also by smaller aerosols. However, due to their large pore size and poor fit, cloth masks cannot filter out aerosols (see [video analysis](https://videopress.com/v/4egEyh2b
    )): **over 90% of aerosols [penetrate or bypass](https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577) the mask and fill a medium-sized room within minutes.**

    During the notorious 1918 influenza pandemic, the use of cloth face masks among the general population was widespread and in some places mandatory, but they [made no difference](https://www.washingtonpost.com/histo...-were-useless/).

    To date, the **only randomized controlled trial (RCT) on face masks against SARS-CoV-2 infection in a community setting found no statistically significant benefit** (see above). However, three major journals [refused to publish](https://swprs.org/the-suppressed-danish-mask-study/) this study, delaying its publication by several months.

    An analysis by the US CDC found that **[85% of people](https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/...5-H.pdf#page=4) infected with the new coronavirus reported wearing a mask “always” (70.6%) or “often” (14.4%)**. Compared to the control group of uninfected people, always wearing a mask did not reduce the risk of infection.

    German researchers found that even an N95/FFP2 mask mandate had [no influence](https://twitter.com/#!/x/status/1371448332875399168) on the coronavirus infection rate.** Austrian researchers found that the introduction, retraction and re-introduction of a facemask mandate in Austria had no influence on the infection rate.

    In the US state of Kansas, the 90 counties without mask mandates had lower coronavirus infection rates** than the 15 counties with mask mandates. To hide this fact, the Kansas health department [tried to manipulate](https://sentinelksmo.org/more-decept...-mask-mandate/) the official statistics and data presentation.

    Contrary to common belief, studies in hospitals [found that](https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01658736) the wearing of a medical mask by surgeons during operations [didn’t reduce](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...01509-0009.pdf) post-operative bacterial wound infections in patients.

    German scientists found that in and on **N95 (FFP2) masks**, the novel coronavirus remains infectious for [several days](https://fh-muenster.de/gesundheit/fo...auch/index.php), **much longer than on most other materials**, thus **significantly increasing the risk of infection** by touching or reusing such masks.

  9. #12809
    Another "conspiracy theory" comes true - Covid deaths overcounted by 25% in Alameda County.

    https://oaklandside.org/2021/06/04/a...-than-thought/

    Alameda County, SF, and the rest of the Bay Area were where US lockdowns originated, took shape, and became political.

    This should be big news, but like every other "correction" it will be lost to the wind, and blueanons will tell us it wasn't true, no matter how much evidence points to the contrary.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwai View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by gimmick View Post
    So a link to this study that shows masks are completely useless? You do realize when you make that claim it's your job to prove it.
    https://swprs.org/face-masks-evidence/

    A May 2020 meta-study on pandemic influenza published by the US CDC found that face masks had no effect, neither as personal protective equipment nor as a source control. [Source](https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article)

    A Danish randomized controlled trial with 6000 participants, published in the Annals of Internal Medicine in November 2020, found no statistically significant effect of high-quality medical face masks against SARS-CoV-2 infection in a community setting. [Source](https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817)

    A large randomized controlled trial with close to 8000 participants, published in October 2020 in PLOS One, found that face masks “did not seem to be effective against laboratory-confirmed viral respiratory infections nor against clinical respiratory infection.” [Source](https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0240287)

    A February 2021 review by the European CDC found no significant evidence supporting the effectiveness of non-medical and medical face masks in the community. Furthermore, the European CDC advised against the use of FFP2/N95 respirators by the general public. [Source](https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/sites/def...rst-update.pdf)

    A July 2020 review by the Oxford Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine found that there is no evidence for the effectiveness of cloth masks against virus infection or transmission. [Source](https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/maskin...with-politics/)

    A November 2020 Cochrane review found that face masks did not reduce influenza-like illness (ILI) cases, neither in the general population nor in health care workers. [Source](https://www.cochrane.org/CD006207/AR...ratory-viruses)

    An April 2020 review by two US professors in respiratory and infectious disease from the University of Illinois concluded that face masks have no effect in everyday life, neither as self-protection nor to protect third parties (so-called source control). [Source](https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-pers...sed-sound-data)

    An article in the New England Journal of Medicine from May 2020 came to the conclusion that cloth face masks offer little to no protection in everyday life. [Source](https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372)

    A 2015 study in the British Medical Journal BMJ Open found that cloth masks were **penetrated by 97% of particles and may increase infection risk by retaining moisture or repeated use.** [Source](https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577)

    An August 2020 review by a German professor in virology, epidemiology and hygiene found that there is no evidence for the effectiveness of cloth face masks and that the improper daily use of masks by the public may in fact lead to an increase in infections. [Source](https://www.thieme-connect.com/produ...55/a-1174-6591)



    The WHO admitted to the BBC that its June 2020 [mask policy update](https://swprs.org/who-mask-study-seriously-flawed/) was due not to new evidence but [“political lobbying”](https://archive.ph/YVJ0Y)**: “We had been told by various sources WHO committee reviewing the evidence had not backed masks but they recommended them due to political lobbying. This point was put to WHO who did not deny.” (D. Cohen, BBC Medical Corresponent).

    There is increasing evidence that the novel coronavirus is transmitted, at least in indoor settings, not only by droplets but also by smaller aerosols. However, due to their large pore size and poor fit, cloth masks cannot filter out aerosols (see [video analysis](https://videopress.com/v/4egEyh2b
    )): **over 90% of aerosols [penetrate or bypass](https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577) the mask and fill a medium-sized room within minutes.**

    During the notorious 1918 influenza pandemic, the use of cloth face masks among the general population was widespread and in some places mandatory, but they [made no difference](https://www.washingtonpost.com/histo...-were-useless/).

    To date, the **only randomized controlled trial (RCT) on face masks against SARS-CoV-2 infection in a community setting found no statistically significant benefit** (see above). However, three major journals [refused to publish](https://swprs.org/the-suppressed-danish-mask-study/) this study, delaying its publication by several months.

    An analysis by the US CDC found that **[85% of people](https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/...5-H.pdf#page=4) infected with the new coronavirus reported wearing a mask “always” (70.6%) or “often” (14.4%)**. Compared to the control group of uninfected people, always wearing a mask did not reduce the risk of infection.

    German researchers found that even an N95/FFP2 mask mandate had [no influence](https://twitter.com/#!/x/status/1371448332875399168) on the coronavirus infection rate.** Austrian researchers found that the introduction, retraction and re-introduction of a facemask mandate in Austria had no influence on the infection rate.

    In the US state of Kansas, the 90 counties without mask mandates had lower coronavirus infection rates** than the 15 counties with mask mandates. To hide this fact, the Kansas health department [tried to manipulate](https://sentinelksmo.org/more-decept...-mask-mandate/) the official statistics and data presentation.

    Contrary to common belief, studies in hospitals [found that](https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01658736) the wearing of a medical mask by surgeons during operations [didn’t reduce](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...01509-0009.pdf) post-operative bacterial wound infections in patients.

    German scientists found that in and on **N95 (FFP2) masks**, the novel coronavirus remains infectious for [several days](https://fh-muenster.de/gesundheit/fo...auch/index.php), **much longer than on most other materials**, thus **significantly increasing the risk of infection** by touching or reusing such masks.
    So nice collection of shit that mostly relies on no one shifting through that...

    "Assessment of the evidence
    The evidence regarding the effectiveness of medical face masks for the prevention of COVID-19 in the
    community is compatible with a small to moderate protective effect"

    ...from one of the relevant studies, i skipped few involving influence and bacteria, different particle sizes...

    "Conclusion
    This trial was unable to provide conclusive evidence on facemask efficacy against viral respiratory infections most likely due to poor adherence to protocol."

    ...that one i've gone through before...

    "The design of these twelve trials differed: viral circulation was usually variable; none had been conducted during a pandemic. Outcomes were defined and reported in seven different ways, making comparison difficult. It is debatable whether any of these results could be applied to the transmission of SARs-CoV-2."

    ...yea this is really solid stuff...

    "Despite the current limited scientific data detailing their effectiveness, we support the wearing of face coverings by the public when mandated and when in close contact with people whose infection status they don't know."

    ...from April 4th 2020...

    "on June 3, 2020, the authors of this article state “We strongly support the calls of public health agencies for all people to wear masks when circumstances compel them to be within 6 ft of others for sustained periods"

    ...that was added to a study also from April 2020...

    "Our research does not condone health workers working unprotected. We recommend that health workers should not work during the COVID-19 pandemic without respiratory protection as a matter of work health and safety"

    ...that was the March 2020 reply to the 2015 study they made regarding mask use in hospitals...

    "Previous close contact with a person with known COVID-19

    Yes 65 (42.2) 23 (14.5)" the first number is the case patients and the second number is the "control group" from test where both groups had 85% of mask use. Most non retards might see how this test isn't amazing proof of anything. That close contact was a family member in 33 cases with the case group and 5 times with the control group.

    ...and that's all the ones i glanced. Basically all shit from 2015 to early 2020 and even that doesn't support team retard. Anyone feel like polling a random Facebook group on how likely it's that a single member of the Team Retard has ever read/understood any of the crap they copy paste as proof?

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    Endless pages on masks JFC. With all the shit that's happen during the pandemic this has to be one of my last concerns. Stop at the grocery store, throw a mask on for 10 minutes and go on with the rest of my day. It's just not a big deal. You're not being honest with yourself if you're trying to argue that masks do absolutely nothing. Anyone in close proximity of someone covid positive that's coughing and sneezing would rather them have a mask on than not.

    You know where they don't have mask controversies? Asia. Everyone there just puts one on. They don't give a shit about the United States and haven't ever heard of Fauci. I wonder why they do it. Everyone knows Asians are the dumbest race so it probably has something to do with that...........

    Where I agree with Druff is, our country over politicized masks (both parties are at fault here) and didn't spend enough time detailing other things. Like, get off your fatass and lose 20 pounds.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by nightmarefish View Post
    Endless pages on masks JFC. With all the shit that's happen during the pandemic this has to be one of my last concerns. Stop at the grocery store, throw a mask on for 10 minutes and go on with the rest of my day. It's just not a big deal. You're not being honest with yourself if you're trying to argue that masks do absolutely nothing. Anyone in close proximity of someone covid positive that's coughing and sneezing would rather them have a mask on than not.

    You know where they don't have mask controversies? Asia. Everyone there just puts one on. They don't give a shit about the United States and haven't ever heard of Fauci. I wonder why they do it. Everyone knows Asians are the dumbest race so it probably has something to do with that...........

    Where I agree with Druff is, our country over politicized masks (both parties are at fault here) and didn't spend enough time detailing other things. Like, get off your fatass and lose 20 pounds.
    Even if masks don't help against Covid (for the record I definitely believe they do), they seem to work very well against colds/flu. If you told me that I would get way less colds/flu by everyone wearing a mask indoors I would be ok with that trade-off. Also, all the kids in my kid's school wear masks, and doesn't seem to be much of an issue. Given schools are a major vector of disease transmission I wouldn't be surprised if kids wearing masks in school majorly decreased spread of respiratory disease for everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalam View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by nightmarefish View Post
    Endless pages on masks JFC. With all the shit that's happen during the pandemic this has to be one of my last concerns. Stop at the grocery store, throw a mask on for 10 minutes and go on with the rest of my day. It's just not a big deal. You're not being honest with yourself if you're trying to argue that masks do absolutely nothing. Anyone in close proximity of someone covid positive that's coughing and sneezing would rather them have a mask on than not.

    You know where they don't have mask controversies? Asia. Everyone there just puts one on. They don't give a shit about the United States and haven't ever heard of Fauci. I wonder why they do it. Everyone knows Asians are the dumbest race so it probably has something to do with that...........

    Where I agree with Druff is, our country over politicized masks (both parties are at fault here) and didn't spend enough time detailing other things. Like, get off your fatass and lose 20 pounds.
    Even if masks don't help against Covid (for the record I definitely believe they do), they seem to work very well against colds/flu. If you told me that I would get way less colds/flu by everyone wearing a mask indoors I would be ok with that trade-off. Also, all the kids in my kid's school wear masks, and doesn't seem to be much of an issue. Given schools are a major vector of disease transmission I wouldn't be surprised if kids wearing masks in school majorly decreased spread of respiratory disease for everyone.
    The COVID protocols were actually perfect for the flu. That's one of the reasons the flu almost was completely nonexistent in the US this past season.

    Keep distance, suppress droplet transmission, and sanitize surfaces, and the flu will have a very hard time transmitting.

    Unfortunately, these protocols are not very useful to prevent COVID transmission, which is why we just didn't see any consistent difference in transmission whether they were followed or not. Look at the different states/counties, look at their politics, and look at the results. There was no consistent pattern showing these measures working on a large scale.

    Is it a huge deal to wear a mask? For a short time, no. For a long time, yes. But that's not even my main complaint here. My primary complaint was that the left was dishonest about this, and it put people in danger, wrecked economies, and disrupted lives. All for the sake of beating the bad Orange Man in the election.

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    Went to Urgebt care then ER for unrelated to Covid issue but due to cough I still had ER doc did chest X-ray and confirmed I have some moderate lingering lung issues with some fluid in the lower parts of both lungs more so left then right. It’s not severe but it’s probably why I’ve been having shortness of breath with minimal exertion at times. I’m trying to be patient and understanding but it’s still frustrating that Covid continues to screw with me

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kalam View Post

    Even if masks don't help against Covid (for the record I definitely believe they do), they seem to work very well against colds/flu. If you told me that I would get way less colds/flu by everyone wearing a mask indoors I would be ok with that trade-off. Also, all the kids in my kid's school wear masks, and doesn't seem to be much of an issue. Given schools are a major vector of disease transmission I wouldn't be surprised if kids wearing masks in school majorly decreased spread of respiratory disease for everyone.
    The COVID protocols were actually perfect for the flu. That's one of the reasons the flu almost was completely nonexistent in the US this past season.

    Keep distance, suppress droplet transmission, and sanitize surfaces, and the flu will have a very hard time transmitting.

    Unfortunately, these protocols are not very useful to prevent COVID transmission, which is why we just didn't see any consistent difference in transmission whether they were followed or not. Look at the different states/counties, look at their politics, and look at the results. There was no consistent pattern showing these measures working on a large scale.

    Is it a huge deal to wear a mask? For a short time, no. For a long time, yes. But that's not even my main complaint here. My primary complaint was that the left was dishonest about this, and it put people in danger, wrecked economies, and disrupted lives. All for the sake of beating the bad Orange Man in the election.
    yeah it couldn't possibly be that we just started calling the flu covid, that would never happen....


    Influenza Cases in the USA, 2016-2021:

    2016-2017: 29 million


    2017-2018: 45 million


    2018-2019: 36 million


    2019-2020: 38 million


    2020-2021: 0.0015 million


    Covid cases in the USA:


    2020-2021: 32 million

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwai View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post

    The COVID protocols were actually perfect for the flu. That's one of the reasons the flu almost was completely nonexistent in the US this past season.

    Keep distance, suppress droplet transmission, and sanitize surfaces, and the flu will have a very hard time transmitting.

    Unfortunately, these protocols are not very useful to prevent COVID transmission, which is why we just didn't see any consistent difference in transmission whether they were followed or not. Look at the different states/counties, look at their politics, and look at the results. There was no consistent pattern showing these measures working on a large scale.

    Is it a huge deal to wear a mask? For a short time, no. For a long time, yes. But that's not even my main complaint here. My primary complaint was that the left was dishonest about this, and it put people in danger, wrecked economies, and disrupted lives. All for the sake of beating the bad Orange Man in the election.
    yeah it couldn't possibly be that we just started calling the flu covid, that would never happen....


    Influenza Cases in the USA, 2016-2021:

    2016-2017: 29 million


    2017-2018: 45 million


    2018-2019: 36 million


    2019-2020: 38 million


    2020-2021: 0.0015 million


    Covid cases in the USA:


    2020-2021: 32 million
    How do you explain this then?
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      dwai: propaganda
      
      gimmick: rounding error

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightmarefish View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by dwai View Post
    yeah it couldn't possibly be that we just started calling the flu covid, that would never happen....


    Influenza Cases in the USA, 2016-2021:

    2016-2017: 29 million


    2017-2018: 45 million


    2018-2019: 36 million


    2019-2020: 38 million


    2020-2021: 0.0015 million


    Covid cases in the USA:


    2020-2021: 32 million
    How do you explain this then?
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    rofl you're a fucking idiot if you believe that

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      splitthis: Time to create fear unending.

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    Sonatine wore his mask while outside today:

    https://twitter.com/#!/x/status/1402041116225007616
    wittle waltie, nightmarefish and sloppy joe are the shit stains in the underwear of life.

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