Just in case you are still foolish enough to believe the left is following the science...
Here's a November 23rd presentation by Kathleen Dooling at the CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/me...04-Dooling.pdf
It's slides, so you can get through the 40 pages in not too long, but the good stuff starts on page 19. She's analyzing the difference between vaccinating old people (65+) in their own priority group, versus lumping them in with "high risk adults 18-64" and "essential workers".
On pages 19-21, she concedes that putting old people in the same priority group as "essential workers" will kill up to 6.5% more people! However, on page 22 she calls that difference "minimal", and notes that "ethical principles (meaning racial justice) may greatly contribute to choosing the optimal sequence (of distribution)".
On page 31, there's a slide showing the pros and cons of the distribution possibilities, and a major factor is "promote justice".
Yeah, let's worry about "racial justice" when trying to save lives from a pandemic. Great timing for that concern, guys.
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS BITCH TALKING ABOUT? THE GOAL SHOULD BE TO SAVE THE MOST LIVES, PERIOD. WHY ARE WE CONSIDERING ANY OTHER PLAN THAN THAT????
The left totally follows the science, though, and they totally care about saving American lives during COVID. Aren't you excited for 4 more years of this, where it will be a lot more prevalent because Biden will be appointing a ton of these type of people to high positions?
Get ready for a lot of woke retardation.
Seriously guys, the left is actually advocating killing more Americans in the name of so-called "racial justice".
They actually are CONCEDING MORE PEOPLE WILL DIE, but are so obsessed with their own woke agenda to give priority to minorities, that they actually want to sacrifice thousands of human lives in the process.
They're not even trying to argue that this will save lives in the long run. They're admitting that more people are gonna croak, but we can all feel good about it because it will equalize decades of healthcare racism, amirite?
Are these people insane, or what? These aren't some fringe losers posting on Twitter. These are actual decision makers at the CDC coming up with this garbage, and much of the media is cheering them on.
Thankfully there are some responsible liberals like Nate Silver (and actually several others) who can't stay silent any longer, and are calling out this bullshit. But it's showing just how extreme much of the Democratic Party has gotten, and how positions of power and influence have been infested by these type of people.
Also, these woke superheroes are morons. In attempt to achieve racial equity, they will be killing more people of color, as nonwhite old people will also be delayed in getting the vaccine, in favor of nonwhite young people! Since young people rarely die of COVID, the end result will be more dead black people than if they had simply prioritized all people 65+.
But you see, the goal is to feel good about being racially sensitive, not actually saving human life (even black lives). That's how a good limousine liberal acts.
That's not the defense, though. They are already conceding that there won't be an "exponential spread" given the current state of COVID already being everywhere, and that the simple approach of vaccinating old people first WILL save lives.
But they won't do it because of racial justice.
Better that we prevent a black 25-year-old grocery store worker from getting a cough than an old person dying.
I don't know what's happened to you lately, Sanlmar. Maybe you're just being contrarian, but you seem to have an excuse for every criticism I post about the left, even indefensible ones. I would have expected this from a Eurocommie like gimmick, but not you. Hatred of Trump doesn't mean the other side isn't also ridiculous sometimes. It's okay to agree occasionally.
Yea they prioritized care facility residents with healthcare workers. That's 40% of US deaths.
I'm sure there's a 95 year old with pre-existing conditions living outside a care facility somewhere within US. There honestly could be more than one. And i'm sure those 95 year old ladies/gentlemen didn't choose that because they have access to far better healthcare than a care facility could provide. There must be at least one.
Anyways once you cut out the nursing home crowd, you cut out 50% of the above 65 crowd fatalities. Then when you glance at ven-diagram with the old, essential and sick. Compare that to the phase 1b numbers of available vaccinations, the pre-existing condition multipliers and infection rate adjustment you get something that looks a lot like the current plan for vaccination schedule.
Now you would actually have to understand the science and just maybe assume that a powerpointescue presentation of the shit contains less than 1% of everything that goes to the decision making process.
But muh 95 year olds, that are already been taken care of.
Oh and Druff you missed my question about individual hospitals prioritization process that they have for everything. I'm sure it was an honest mistake and you will enlighten us all with your deep knowledge on the issue.
Oh and that 6.5% numbers is obv split in half once you've already covered "nursing homes". That's also the number that was valid about 2 months ago. The figure you're looking to split now is closer to 3%. Giving you a 1,5% increased deaths. To cover that with an infection rate decrease depends how long it takes for the rest of the vaccinations to roll out. Don't worry it's a small number. People smarter than me have ran those numbers. And between me and Druff, one us looks very likely to have nailed the number of deaths two months in advance. Just saying.
Current administration makes decisions that druff passionately disagrees with.... druff blames the left.
I'm seeing a pattern here.
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
IT'S WEIRD DRUFF IS TOTALLY RIGHT BUT HE'S GETTING REKT SO HARD IT FEELS LIKE HE'S NOT
One other thing to consider.
Vaccines in general have a much lower efficacy in older people. Often requiring double doses and repeating the vaccination completely. Being a two part vaccination is likely to complicate this issue.
This is a new type of vaccine so my generalisation might be incorrect.
But I'm sure Dr Druff has considered this.
"They concluded that rather than the estimated 70-90% clinical vaccine efficacy in younger adults, this figure was only 17-53%"
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21880118/
Last edited by Salty_Aus; 12-22-2020 at 07:16 AM.
This is a much different type of vaccine.
These mRNA vaccines are grown in the lab.
The older vaccines were grown inside eggs.
Dr. Druff should move to the head of the line and take the vaccine next.
In order to enter the 2021 WSOP poker tournament you may need to prove that you have gotten the vaccine.
To go back to school you will need to prove that you have gotten the vaccine.
To go back to the office you will need to prove that you have gotten the vaccine.
To travel on an airplane you will need to prove that you have gotten the vaccine.
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
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