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    Mike Schultz, a 43-year-old nurse from San Francisco who works out six to seven times a week, and who had no underlying health conditions, lost about 25% of his body weight (50 pounds) after he was admitted to a Boston hospital to be treated for COVID-19 in March.
    I seriously wonder if roids make it worse. Burning fat, but increasing blood pressure and depressing immune system. Maybe BCR has some thoughts.

    I always assumed at some point in my 40s I would start doing some low level TRT just to grease the grooves a little. But probably not until there is a CV vaccine now.
    I wrote out a response to you last night and lost it.

    This is all simply conjecture and guessing as far as why he may have had a problem. Pure bro science with a little common sense(maybe)

    The guy isn’t a heavy steroid user. That I can see. Traps and rear deltoids are always the give away. Those areas have the most androgen receptors. It’s hard to see rear delts on that pic, but his traps are underdeveloped compared to the rest of his upper body.

    Mind you, steroid user and trt are simply a border someone crosses like with any medication or substance. If you have two drinks a day and never have any problems the days you don’t have any, and it doesn’t have any ramifications, you’re not an alcoholic. Same with pain pills and anything else. If you amp up your use and start buying shit on the street, you’ve becomes a drug abuser. If you become a day drinker and NEED a drink, you’re an alcoholic.

    You take a 100mg once a week you have the hormone panel of a 22 year old. If you shoot 1000mg a week and take three other things, you’ve become an abuser and have a hormone panel no human has. He probably is the first, he isn’t the second

    Obviously he’s gay and there are risks to that.

    If those risks didn’t get him, I’d bet on clots. Most people don’t read their bloodwork. Their doctor tells them if anything is abnormal. I’m a curious person and read every number on mine. Always did. If a test has a normal range of 2.0-8.0, my rbc has always sat at like 7.8. Docs wil just say everything is normal.
    I wanted to know why I’m so close to being high. They basically said I have thick blood in layman’s terms. This has always been the case.

    So trt can raise blood pressure, rbc, and have an adverse impact on cholesterol, though it’s slight with the latter on trt doses. If you already have blood pressure problems or cholesterol, you want to be incredibly careful. I’d advise against unless you’re willing to spend more on monitoring than the therapy itself and take more medications. That’s a personal choice. I wouldn’t.

    There basically isn’t any way to be a heavy steroid user healthy. Doesn’t mean it will kill you, like you may smoke until 100 and never get lung cancer, but the odds are heavily against you. Bodybuilding as a profession and even on the amateur and local levels is a very sick sport. It’s basically a full time job of drug cocktails to combat other shit outside the lifting. The expense outweighs any gain. It’s essentially a lot like what I think trannies or eating disorders are. A dysmorphia. A girl will be 80lbs and look it the mirror and think she’s fat, a 250lb guy looks and thinks he’s small and needs to get bigger, or a boy is convinced he’s a girl .

    To this guy.

    No nurse is going to walk around with unchecked blood pressure. It’s simply the easiest thing in the world to check. He checks peoples all day.

    You can go from right in the middle of that rbc range to above normal quickly. That requires blood work to monitor and most people don’t really know that. Everyone knows the more common risks but most don’t know that one ime. Even if you know it’s a risk, unless you’re getting blood drawn in a consistent manner, your blood is going to get thick and high rbc. That’s an oversimplification as red blood cells are made up of multiple different cells, but catching a clot is a real risk.

    I keep hearing ER docs talk about treating this thing. They keep talking about the clotting problems. That broadway guy lost his leg from clot. A large percentage of patients end up on anti clotting medications with low success. It’s been a real pain to them. They describe the lung elasticity as poor.

    This article and I’m sure a thousand others describe it.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01403-8


    Even if this thing spikes really high, I don’t ever expect them to run out of ventilators at this point. The trend is away from them and treating it like altitude sickness or a clotting disorder. Ventilator as last resort. They are viewing this disease from a different viewpoint now

    Even the MSNNC doctor at home still on oxygen had to medically refuse ventilation. All the forward thinking ER guys where this has hit hard are moving away from them except as last resort. Ignoring readings they’d normally go right to ventilator on and waiting to let oxygen therapy try to improve the condition. In relatively youngish people, they were finding people with 60 pulse ox readings just slightly breathless. They started monitoring the organs for damage, but waiting.

    Clotting though is a huge issue. I’m no doctor, but they seem befuddled by this clumped mess surrounding lungs and elsewhere.

    If this guy wasn’t HIV positive or something, yet was on trt, wouldn’t shock me if they struggled to combat clotting issues. That seems to be the main issue with youngish people who don’t die, but have a rough go. If I had to bet on his lifestyle creating the problem, that would be my bet assuming he doesn’t have hiv. I’d still need big odds on that bet as I’m just guessing.

    I’m to the point I think lung scarring and clotting and shit is a far more rational concern than death if you’re 35-55. I keep seeing that talked about. People still on oxygen after being home a month. Hitting even healthy people.

    Everything I’m writing is pure conjecture and just guessing with what I think is a little common sense thrown in.

    I saw an interview with a doctor showing lung scarring on film. Said it was hitting more healthy people harder than the sick.

    I thought about my health issues. I had adhesions really bad in abdomen. Constant gnawing pain on right side. Took years to figure out. Those are more prevalent with women who’ve had female surgeries. Hysterectomies, c-sections, other procedures.

    Not many dudes have five abdominal surgeries between 29-31 like I did. They eventually did lysis procedure, and pain disappeared forever. They told me I was young and healthy and it was essentially an overreaction from immune system.

    I don’t know if lung scarring is the same. Your wife would be a better resource than I would be. I’m just guessing.

    It just made me wonder when I read and saw doctor saying it was hitting younger fit people. They’re more likely to have strong immune system.

    But if it was related to some hormone, and I had to bet, I’d bet on clotting. Two months is a long road. I’m just guessing they were running into issues they found hard to combat and he lived because he’s young.

    You have young kids iirc. I’d stay away unless your wife was on board and wanted to constantly monitor you. Most ER docs and family docs are super conservative. Only endos see the value in male HRT, and even that’s not without risk. You need to have the right genes for it to be close to zero risk. . Basically super healthy heart and low inflammation markers.

    My .02 and that’s legit all it’s worth

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by nightmarefish View Post
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    My point is the way we are opening everything back up. No plan. Flying blind.

    Trump fucked everything up from the start and we are now gonna pay for it.

    100k dead and counting
    Why are you making shit up? Every state has a phased plan specific to their area using the CDC plan as a guideline. What the hell are you talking about?
    I am the one making shit up?

    The CDC and States Are Misreporting COVID-19 Test Data ...


    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...-texas/611935/

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    Quote Originally Posted by OSA View Post
    Oh and if you told me that I could lose 50 lbs in 2 months and not have permanent health issues, Id stab myself with the Corona needle.
    Only a matter of time till you catch the HIV

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    Peter McNeil posted some studies the other day that were suggestive of us possibly having more immunity to this virus than we were aware of through previous corona outbreaks. We knew that about kids, but not adults .

    Jury remains out, but certainly positive early findings. I found this Sweden antibody number shockingly low given how contagious it is. It’s dated data a few weeks, but still surprising. I think it’s an argument to those studies he posted possibly being really onto something. Or the antibody tests being horrible at the end of April. It’s either really good or really bad news imo. More likely good.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/21/healt...ntl/index.html

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    Were Republicans cowardly or unethical not to go along with [convicting Trump in the second impeachment Senate trial]? No. The smart move was to reject it.

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    79% of corona deaths in Ohio are nursing home residents. I wish the media was more truthful and transparent and therefore not have such personal and financial devastation occur. The hospitals are so overrun that Cleveland clinic lost 300 million in April alone. The ripple effects of the shutdown will last longer than this virus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by splitthis View Post
    79% of corona deaths in Ohio are nursing home residents. I wish the media was more truthful and transparent and therefore not have such personal and financial devastation occur. The hospitals are so overrun that Cleveland clinic lost 300 million in April alone. The ripple effects of the shutdown will last longer than this virus.

    Add tin hats to your hiding spot.
    This is how it is everywhere, but if you dare question anything you're labeled anti-science, anti-vax, racist homophobic trump supporter

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    Quote Originally Posted by big dick View Post
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    Why are you making shit up? Every state has a phased plan specific to their area using the CDC plan as a guideline. What the hell are you talking about?
    I am the one making shit up?

    The CDC and States Are Misreporting COVID-19 Test Data ...


    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...-texas/611935/
    Yes you’re making shit up. You said there’s no plan when every state has a plan guided by the CDC plan.

    Now you change the subject to test data? You’re all over the fuckin place man.

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    as a prominent anti-trumper, even i am 100% ready to reopen completely and just say fuck it.

     
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    Blake's just hoping all his black inlaws die

     
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    honestly, my dad is starting to annoy me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by splitthis View Post
    79% of corona deaths in Ohio are nursing home residents. I wish the media was more truthful and transparent and therefore not have such personal and financial devastation occur. The hospitals are so overrun that Cleveland clinic lost 300 million in April alone. The ripple effects of the shutdown will last longer than this virus.

    Add tin hats to your hiding spot.
    Whoever is telling you that the media isn't reporting on nursing home deaths in Ohio....they're also the media.

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    https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S...674(20)30489-X

    Interesting stuff. So basically the virus inhibits your bodies ability to respond to it early with a more subtle, controlled approach; but doesn't inhibit your body coming on down hard with the hammer later in the disease process, so you get the runaway inflammation/cytokine storm/clotting. In theory if we had some way for reliable early detection in the asymptomatic phase, drug therapy to induce interferon responses could be beneficial.

     
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    wow team retard, are you shocked too?


    what political affiliation do shocked people hold?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post



    wow team retard, are you shocked too?


    what political affiliation do shocked people hold?
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    Quote Originally Posted by verminaard View Post
    I wonder if he was HIV+. The studies I have seen indicate T cell loss and T cell exhaustion is highly correlated with disease prognosis; and HIV+ definitely exhausts your CD8 T cells prematurely, in addition to wiping out many of your CD4 T cells.

    I remember when COVID first hit there was some stories about young healthy looking (almost assuredly gay) dudes getting real sick and dying, and I was speculating they were HIV+.
    COVID-19 is contagious blood clots.

    TRT = higher incidence of blood clots.

    The conversation no one is having.

    If anyone really cared about your health you would see signs and posters all over creation explaining the symptoms and signs of a blood clot. The ER can save your life but obviously no one cares if anyone dies so no one talks about the fact that COVID-19 is a contagious virus that gives you blood clots and sometimes (see Marc Maron's GF) - instant death.

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    are seeing a lot of strokes in covid+ people?
    "Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky

    "America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightmarefish View Post
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    I am the one making shit up?

    The CDC and States Are Misreporting COVID-19 Test Data ...


    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...-texas/611935/
    Yes you’re making shit up. You said there’s no plan when every state has a plan guided by the CDC plan.

    Now you change the subject to test data? You’re all over the fuckin place man.
    Trump buried the original CDC guidlines report.

    You do realize that none of the states that reopened a few weeks ago actually met the white house guidlines to reopen right?

    A lot of em are just sort of winging it dude.
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    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/21/u...ief-trump.html



    For Spy Agencies, Briefing Trump Is a Test of Holding His Attention



    The president veers off on tangents and getting him back on topic is difficult, they said. He has a short attention span and rarely, if ever, reads intelligence reports, relying instead on conservative media and his friends for information. He is unashamed to interrupt intelligence officers and riff based on tips or gossip he hears from the former casino magnate Steve Wynn, the retired golfer Gary Player or Christopher Ruddy, the conservative media executive.

    Mr. Trump rarely absorbs information that he disagrees with or that runs counter to his worldview, the officials said. Briefing him has been so great a challenge compared with his predecessors that the intelligence agencies have hired outside consultants to study how better to present information to him.
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    But getting Mr. Trump to remember information, even if he seems to be listening, can be all but impossible, especially if it runs counter to his worldview, former officials said.
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    Other presidents have had, at times, contentious relationships with their intelligence briefers. But unlike George W. Bush, who questioned assumptions underlying the analysis, or Barack Obama, who cited analysis from deep in his written briefing, Mr. Trump does not appear to read the document or to otherwise prepare beyond bringing in information he picked up from personal sources.
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    While Mr. Trump does not appear to read the intelligence reports he is given, he will examine graphs, charts and tables. Satellite pictures clearly interest him, too: He tweeted one from his intelligence brief, revealing the capabilities of some of the government’s most classified spy assets.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidewinder View Post
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    I wonder if he was HIV+. The studies I have seen indicate T cell loss and T cell exhaustion is highly correlated with disease prognosis; and HIV+ definitely exhausts your CD8 T cells prematurely, in addition to wiping out many of your CD4 T cells.

    I remember when COVID first hit there was some stories about young healthy looking (almost assuredly gay) dudes getting real sick and dying, and I was speculating they were HIV+.
    COVID-19 is contagious blood clots.

    TRT = higher incidence of blood clots.

    The conversation no one is having.

    If anyone really cared about your health you would see signs and posters all over creation explaining the symptoms and signs of a blood clot. The ER can save your life but obviously no one cares if anyone dies so no one talks about the fact that COVID-19 is a contagious virus that gives you blood clots and sometimes (see Marc Maron's GF) - instant death.
    Her death was not related to covid lol.
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